Knobby22
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Bob Carter kept it quiet till now.
I'd like someone to ask him who else is giving him money?
We know for instance he wrotes a column for News Limited.
What does News get out of it?
News doesn't give any of the climate change scientists, the vast majority of scientists, a column.
By the way, the leaked documents seem to have been faked.
Knobby
You believe it is ok for "scientists" with a pro-AGW hypothesis to get funding, but not those with a sceptical hypothesis?
Still got those uncontrollable eyes Wayne? Even Heartland only claims that one of the documents is a fake; they just say the others may have been altered. http://heartland.org/press-releases...-institute-responds-stolen-and-fake-documentsBy the way, the leaked documents seem to have been faked.
One document, titled “Confidential Memo: 2012 Heartland Climate Strategy,” is a total fake apparently intended to defame and discredit The Heartland Institute. It was not written by anyone associated with The Heartland Institute. It does not express Heartland’s goals, plans, or tactics. It contains several obvious and gross misstatements of fact.
Scientists should get funded for doing science, not spouting propaganda.
If a newspaper wants someone spouting propaganda, then they have a duty of care to be fair about it and give an alternate view.
Still got those uncontrollable eyes Wayne? Even Heartland only claims that one of the documents is a fake; they just say the others may have been altered. http://heartland.org/press-releases...-institute-responds-stolen-and-fake-documents
I think their paragraph about the allegedly fake document is interesting:
So, whoever wrote the document, if it accurately describes the Heartland Institute's actual goals, plans or tactics, I guess they've just disowned themselves. Enough to make anyone's eyes roll.
BTW, does anyone know who funds JoNova?
Ghoti
You've hit the nail on the head there.Look, AGW is a reasonable hypothesis, it should be studied. But funding should be geared towards arriving at a reasonable position. We know that government funding is only available for pro-warmist hypotheses.
That is not science. Sans funding for reasonable counterpoint or proper scientific process, it is propaganda masquerading as science.
Libertarians recognize the imbalance their and have devised alternative means of funding balancing study and in addition to scientific exploration of data are forced into a position of counter-propaganda.
Libertarians recognize the imbalance their and have devised alternative means of funding balancing study and in addition to scientific exploration of data are forced into a position of counter-propaganda.
Didn't realise Exxon and the other big businesses were libertarians acting for the good of us all
Where even the earth is melting
EXCLUSIVE
THE world is on the cusp of a "tipping point" into dangerous climate change, according to new data gathered by scientists measuring methane leaking from the Arctic permafrost and a report presented to the United Nations on Tuesday.
Human-induced emissions now appear to have warmed the Arctic enough to unlock this vast carbon bank, with stark implications for international efforts to hold global warming to a safe level. Ancient forests locked under ice tens of thousands of years ago are beginning to melt and rot, releasing vast amounts of greenhouse gases into the air.
The report estimates the greenhouse gases leaking from the thawing Arctic will eventually add more to emissions than last year's combined carbon output of the US and Europe – a statistic which means present global plans to hold climate change to an average 2degree temperature rise this century are now likely to be much more difficult.
Until very recently permafrost was thought to have been melting too slowly to make a meaningful difference to temperatures this century, so it was left out of the Kyoto Protocol, and ignored by many climate change models.
"Permafrost emissions could ultimately account for up to 39 per cent of total emissions," said the report's lead author, Kevin Schaefer, of the University of Colorado, who presented it at climate negotiations in Doha, Qatar. "This must be factored in to treaty negotiations expected to replace the Kyoto Protocol."
What isn't known is the precise rate and scale of the melt, and that is being tackled in a remarkable NASA experiment that hardly anyone has heard of, but which could prove to be one of the most crucial pieces of scientific field work undertaken this century.
Interesting to see the latest research on the effects of permafrost meltdown in the Arctic regions.
The video attached to the story is compelling as is the remainder of the article
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environmen...-is-melting-20121127-2a5tp.html#ixzz2DUis0vQG
[/QUOTE][QUOTE]We may be closer to a major climate tipping point than we knew. Earth's permafrost – frozen soil that covers nearly a quarter of the northern hemisphere and traps vast amounts of carbon – may be melting faster than thought and releasing more potent greenhouse gasses.
The United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) released a report yesterday reviewing the most up-to-date research on Arctic permafrost. It claims temperature projections due in 2014 from the International Panel on Climate Change are "likely to be biased on the low side" because the IPCC does not take into account the positive feedback cycle of permafrost melting and releasing greenhouse gases.
"Overall, these observations indicate that large-scale thawing of the permafrost may already have started", the UNEP report warns. It calls on governments to monitor permafrost in greater detail and urges communities in permafrost areas to develop plans for managing any damage to infrastructure caused by the frozen soil melting.
But even these calls might be downplaying both the extent of the melting and the severity of the warming it could cause, according to NASA researchers doing groundbreaking research. Using a plane flying just 150 metres above the ground, the team has been measuring levels of both carbon dioxide and methane above the Arctic.
Elevated values
The NASA team has not yet finished analysing the data, some of which will be presented at the American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco next week. But preliminary results are already suggesting that levels of greenhouse gases in some Arctic areas are much higher than climate models have predicted, says Charles Miller of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California, the principal investigator on the Carbon in Arctic Reservoirs Vulnerability Experiment (CARVE).
"Emissions are growing in line with the most extreme scenario".
"We cannot be that stupid as a species"
Some of the memorable quotes for the UN climate negotiations in Doha yesterday when "Nature" the foremost scientific journal published the Global Carbon project report which found that emmissions had increased 54 per cent since 1990.
"Emissions are growing in line with the most extreme scenario".
"We cannot be that stupid as a species"
Some of the memorable quotes for the UN climate negotiations in Doha yesterday when "Nature" the foremost scientific journal published the Global Carbon project report which found that emmissions had increased 54 per cent since 1990.
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