Is Global Warming becoming unstoppable?

[sptrawler]

The Telstra boss is saying people need to be aware of their own carbon footprint, as the data usage and in turn the power used to supply the data throughput is increasing dramatically.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/com...-of-decade-telstra-chief-20200206-p53ye2.html
From the article:
He said Telstra was one of the largest energy users in the country and that as volumes of data increased by as much as 50 per cent each year on the Telstra network, the company's energy consumption was "considerable".
Mr Penn said he would not comment on the politics of climate change.
"I’m not going to get into a political conversation around government’s role," he said.

He instead said individuals and businesses must become more aware of their own carbon footprints.
"Every single one of us actually have a role to play...All businesses today, especially large businesses publish their emissions. How many of us individually know what our carbon footprint is as an individual? It's capable of being known," he said.

 

[rederob]

The Telstra boss is saying people need to be aware of their own carbon footprint, as the data usage and in turn the power used to supply the data throughput is increasing dramatically.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/com...-of-decade-telstra-chief-20200206-p53ye2.html
From the article:
He said Telstra was one of the largest energy users in the country and that as volumes of data increased by as much as 50 per cent each year on the Telstra network, the company's energy consumption was "considerable".
Mr Penn said he would not comment on the politics of climate change.
"I’m not going to get into a political conversation around government’s role," he said.

He instead said individuals and businesses must become more aware of their own carbon footprints.
"Every single one of us actually have a role to play...All businesses today, especially large businesses publish their emissions. How many of us individually know what our carbon footprint is as an individual? It's capable of being known," he said.

Telstra needs to lift its game.
Responsible telcos are nowadays are using solar and battery power from the outset, so for Tesltra to try to sheet home the blame to consumers just goes to show how out of touch they continue to be.

 

[wayneL]

 

[wayneL]

Thread plus comments:

 

[SirRumpole]

Thread plus comments:

"If you're predisposed to hate electric cars, then there's a wonderful story making the rounds that'll support your worldview. It claims that the production of Tesla battery produces carbon emissions equivalent to driving an internal-combustion vehicle for eight years—8.2, to be precise.


That's a sensational claim, one that's been seized upon by EV haters and gleefully postedby climate change-denying blogs and sites that despise electric cars. Just one problem: It's absolute nonsense."

https://www.popularmechanics.com/ca...7039/tesla-battery-emissions-study-fake-news/

Might be an idea to do a bit of research first ?

 

[wayneL]

Then there is this from your own propaganda rag

https://amp.theguardian.com/environ...so-climate-friendly?__twitter_impression=true

 

[IFocus]

Then there is this from your own propaganda rag

https://amp.theguardian.com/environ...so-climate-friendly?__twitter_impression=true

1st line, you may have missed this bit.

"EVs produce more CO2 than say diesel – it’s just they emit via the power plant not the exhaust pipe"

 

[wayneL]

1st line, you may have missed this bit.

"EVs produce more CO2 than say diesel – it’s just they emit via the power plant not the exhaust pipe"

No, I didn't miss that at all. It is an important consideration in any alternative.

Do you believe co2 from a power plant is less important than from an exhaust pipe?

 

[IFocus]

No, I didn't miss that at all. It is an important consideration in any alternative.

Do you believe co2 from a power plant is less important than from an exhaust pipe?

Sigh......critical thinking?

A couple of points re power plants 1st being not all are created equal.

If CO2 is made at one source then there is an opportunity to control and maximise the efficiency of the use of fuel to create energy not the case if coming from millions of sources.

Then are a many other points lets start with you you use electricity for cars then you don't have to truck the electricity to fuel each vehicle like fossil fuels etc not to mention the opportunity to be like VC and charge directly from solar.

If you researched (10 secs) further then you would also see that depending on assumptions there are a number of other research papers showing the complete opposite.

Then further still if all Europe drove electric cars then there would be a significant benefit in less CO2 and that is not based on assumptions.

BTW nice to see you reading the Guardian that could allow you to form critical thinking

 

[wayneL]

The Gaurdian?

Critical Thinking?

Hohoho, very amusing. Not with the likes of the Moonbat, Nutter-celli, et al.

 

[IFocus]

The Gaurdian?

Critical Thinking?

Hohoho, very amusing. Not with the likes of the Moonbat, Nutter-celli, et al.

No not that, just the fact you read stuff against your bias can lead to critical thinking

 

[Smurf1976]

Telstra needs to lift its game.
Responsible telcos are nowadays are using solar and battery power from the outset, so for Tesltra to try to sheet home the blame to consumers just goes to show how out of touch they continue to be.

The telco is only one piece in the puzzle.

“Big data” is a big energy user that’s the reality of it and thus far the response of the industry has been to scale up supply rather than improving efficiency.

An experiment I’ve actually done is to use a computer running Windows XP for a week for all my personal use and compare that against the exact same PC, the same hardware, used for the same tasks running Windows 10.

Bottom line is Win 10 is significantly less data efficient. Same tasks done, same websites looked at including this one, substantially more data used.

Experiment was conducted in December 2019 for the record. Software used was an old (1997) version of Excel, Google Chrome browser and all data via Telstra 4G. A complete install of the operating system was done prior to the trial - Win 10 was not in any way present on the machine whilst XP was in use and vice versa. The same hardware was used for both.

 

[rederob]

The telco is only one piece in the puzzle.

Maybe so, but the piece you put in place used energy that was "free" and that's the same for me and millions of other households with solar pv.
This shows what can be achieved by companies willing to make the investment.
Again, we have no policies in Australia to stimulate such investment and instead rely on the market.
Meanwhile we continue to subsidise diesel to the tune of $billions.

 

[orr]

This interests me; We have now the beginnings of down stream consequences of what will be a new industrial epoch.

So here's the chance to make use of the enthusiasms of a zelot.

Waynel??
JB Staubel is now after ten years taking a step back from the day to day runnings of turning a 1 Billion dollar company into a 100 Billion $$$+++ company... To do What?? He and a lieutenant from the same company are setting in train a recycling operation for the end use batteries from the products now in massive world demand from above Company to salvage materials for new batteries.
This new Recycling Project is called REDWOOD..
So go out do your best, focus that idealogical mania and find holes in this project. Not the withered blatherings of the usual stable of nincompoops you normally proffer. But serious critilal thinkers..

I'm out looking for an objective technically savvy insight to enable deepened critique. Maybe you can help?(suppress snig.g.er)... Looking forward to what you can bring to the table...

And My 'Messiah'...as much as he is; Orwell still seams to be making a fair fist of it..

 

[basilio]

There is an excellent follow up article on the Redwood project. Some of the comments made after the story suggest LiOn batteries are showing a much longer life than anticipated.

Battery Recycling Will Be The New New Thing, And JB Straubel & Kore Power Are Leading The Way
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/01/0...g-jb-straubel-kore-power-are-leading-the-way/

 

[sptrawler]

Barnaby Joyce being talked over by climate expert.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/n...-goes-toe-toe-climate-expert-coal-debate.html

 

[Smurf1976]

Maybe so, but the piece you put in place used energy that was "free" and that's the same for me and millions of other households with solar pv.
This shows what can be achieved by companies willing to make the investment.
Again, we have no policies in Australia to stimulate such investment and instead rely on the market.
Meanwhile we continue to subsidise diesel to the tune of $billions.

I don't disagree, my own house is largely solar powered after all, but if I store something in the "cloud" well then ultimately there's a lot of energy being used there. Data, as with anything, isn't actually free despite there typically being no direct financial charge for it but we're paying for it one way or another both the direct costs and the energy use.

I don't really follow the diesel argument though. Well, OK, we're not charging for the impact of emissions but that also applies to coal and gas so it would be truer to say that we're subsidising fossil fuels rather than singling out diesel whilst ignoring the rest. It's not as though diesel is even the worst one.

 

[SirRumpole]

One cause of global warming that is often overlooked.

Animal emissions.

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/04/do-cow-farts-actually-contribute-to-global-warming/

 

[basilio]

Which direction will we take? A couple of scenarios from the best to the not so good..

The Future We Choose, a new book by the architects of the Paris climate accords, offers contrasting visions for how the world might look in thirty years (read the worst case scenario here)

Air is cleaner than before the Industrial Revolution’: a best case scenario for the climate in 2050
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-choose-christiana-figueres-tom-rivett-carnac


‘The only uncertainty is how long we’ll last’: a worst case scenario for the climate in 2050
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-choose-christiana-figueres-tom-rivett-carnac

 

[basilio]

Tracking CO2, sea level and global temperatures over 800,000 years.

http://www.ces.fau.edu/nasa/images/impacts/slr-co2-temp-400000yrs.jpg