Is Global Warming becoming unstoppable?

[IFocus]

We were third, now we are first, therefore lack of action in Australia.
The UK for instance has made massive inroads into emissions over the last 10 years under a Conservative Government.

Just shows how perthicaly political the Australia lack of policy is under consectervive conservative governments here, still apparently its all good as long as the other mob don't get in.

 

[sptrawler]

Just shows how perthicaly political the Australia lack of policy is under consectervive conservative governments here, still apparently its all good as long as the other mob don't get in.

The other mob will be a shoe in next election. Maybe.

 

[wayneL]

We were third, now we are first, therefore lack of action in Australia.
The UK for instance has made massive inroads into emissions over the last 10 years under a Conservative Government.

But what are the source of those emmissions?

Personal consumption, industry, electricity generation, mining, transport, agriculture, livestock industry?

Why are we higher than the US?

Perhaps the Oztrayan individual (vis a vis, "per capita") is being unfairly maligned?

 

[macca]

But what are the source of those emmissions?

Personal consumption, industry, electricity generation, mining, transport, agriculture, livestock industry?

Why are we higher than the US?

Perhaps the Oztrayan individual (vis a vis, "per capita") is being unfairly maligned?

I have tried to find the details of the total quite a few times, I assume either the Csiro or a Govt dept calculates them each year.

Does not show up in any search I run, does anyone have a link to calculation of this ?

 

[Knobby22]

But what are the source of those emmissions?

Personal consumption, industry, electricity generation, mining, transport, agriculture, livestock industry?

Why are we higher than the US?

Perhaps the Oztrayan individual (vis a vis, "per capita") is being unfairly maligned?

You would have to look into it, but Texas for instance is now mainly renewable power, based, not on political decisions but on price. California has always been a leader. And I suppose we are subsidizing our power stations to keep them going due to policy paralysis. Just my guess.

The US used to be above us, but they have improved.

 

[rederob]

Does not show up in any search I run, does anyone have a link to calculation of this ?

Here.

 

[wayneL]

Here.
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Can we get such graphs for other comparable countries to make some comparisons?

 

[Knobby22]

Gee, we have a lot of fugitive emissions. Better catch some of them. (Dad Joke)

 

[wayneL]

Gee, we have a lot of fugitive emissions. Better catch some of them. (Dad Joke)

I had to Google what they were

It seems they are mostly methane, which makes me want to ask what counts as emissions and whether that mix puts us at an unfair disadvantage when comparing raw numbers... Due to the nature of our country, ie large size and small population.

 

[sptrawler]

When you consider electricity is our major emitter, add to that our manufacturing has declined and our smelters have reduced, I guess you have to lay a lot of the fault for high emissions at the feet of the general public.
Maybe we are just an entitled lot, who use more than our fair share and want to solve the problem by getting someone to make it clean, rather than take it on board to reduce our personal consumption.
Just asking?

 

[rederob]

When you consider electricity is our major emitter, add to that our manufacturing has declined and our smelters have reduced, I guess you have to lay a lot of the fault for high emissions at the feet of the general public.

Energy policy is a national issue, so the blame lies squarely with the federal government.
Germany, which has comparatively poor insolation strength generate 4 times as much energy from solar than Australia.
So if you do want to blame the general public, then blame those who voted a Coalition into power which then destroyed Australia's world-leading carbon pricing mechanism, and put more power back into the grid through fossil fuels.

 

[sptrawler]

Energy policy is a national issue, so the blame lies squarely with the federal government.
Germany, which has comparatively poor insolation strength generate 4 times as much energy from solar than Australia.
So if you do want to blame the general public, then blame those who voted a Coalition into power which then destroyed Australia's world-leading carbon pricing mechanism, and put more power back into the grid through fossil fuels.

You might as well, everything else gets laid at their feet, heaven forbid people should take some responsibility for their own emissions.
A bit like the obesity epidemic, the Government shoveling food into peoples mouths, while they sit on their butt watching t.v.

 

[basilio]

A way forward on CC action. For a start move hard and fast on renewable energy as the basis for our society.

Finding a way through the Overton climate window is the only way forward
Peter Lewis Australia urgently needs political change. We must push for centrist, reasonable policies while still campaigning hard at the margins

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...verton-climate-window-is-the-only-way-forward

 

[sptrawler]

Germany, which has comparatively poor insolation strength generate 4 times as much energy from solar than Australia.
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You probably haven't been keeping up with the information Rob, but Australia has just about reached the limit of how much solar can be installed ATM, now we need to upgrade the transmission system and install some storage.
To compare Germany's electrical network with ours, is absolute nonsense, as you well know.

 

[rederob]

You probably haven't been keeping up with the information Rob, but Australia has just about reached the limit of how much solar can be installed ATM, now we need to upgrade the transmission system and install some storage.

This is about a failure of POLICY.
You tried to blame the general public, and if you have been voting for the Coalition, then you are part of Australia's problem with respect to it's clusterfarq of an energy policy.

To compare Germany's electrical network with ours, is absolute nonsense, as you well know.

Again, how does the "general public" get involved in the "electrical network?"
ANSWER: We do not.
You need to work out the difference between the role of government (and their attendant policies) and the part played by the general public.

 

[basilio]

Effect of Global warming/rising sea levels on coastal cities.

How the 'Venice of Africa' is losing its battle against the rising ocean
Ameth Diagne points to a single tree submerged in the ocean. It is barely visible from the patch of land where he is standing, 50 metres away. The few branches emerging from the water mark the place where he proposed to his wife 35 years earlier.
It used to be the town square of Doun Baba Dieye, a vibrant fishing community on the outskirts of Saint-Louis in northern Senegal. The village has been wiped off the map, with only the tree and crumbling walls of an abandoned school remaining as testament to its existence. Everything else is 1.5 metres under water.
“This was home. I was born here. Everything which was important to me happened here,” says Ameth, the former village chief.
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...is-losing-its-battle-against-the-rising-ocean

 

[sptrawler]

This is about a failure of POLICY.
You tried to blame the general public, and if you have been voting for the Coalition, then you are part of Australia's problem with respect to it's clusterfarq of an energy policy.
Again, how does the "general public" get involved in the "electrical network?"
ANSWER: We do not.
You need to work out the difference between the role of government (and their attendant policies) and the part played by the general public.

IT isn't a failure of POLICY, it's an orderly transition, without the public paying for it.

 

[rederob]

IT isn't a failure of POLICY, it's an orderly transition, without the public paying for it.

You are completely wrong.
I receive and read input to AEMO from Australia's energy generators and they say to a person that we are in a policy void. They want to invest, but are not willing to commit to what may become stranded assets.
If there was your so called "orderly transition" then why are we a decade behind Europe? We have far better geography to generate energy from renewables that would dwarf what Germany could optimise.
I suggest you look to the UK to see what they put in place in response to the "Stern Report" to get a simple picture of what POLICY can achieve.

 

[sptrawler]

I suggest you look to the UK to see what they put in place in response to the "Stern Report" to get a simple picture of what POLICY can achieve.

The U.K is the fifth biggest economy in the World, on a small land mass, that is connected electrically and fuel wise with Europe, it also has a population of 66 million people.
Get a grip Rob, it will all work out o.k despite you running around in ever decreasing circles, with arms flailing.

 

[basilio]

Get a grip Rob, it will all work out o.k despite you running around in ever decreasing circles, with arms flailing.

Really ? Truly ? For keeps ?
Is that why the Business groups are imploring the Federal Government to create a clear set of policy guidelines for the rapid orderly movement to renewable energy ?
And why the CC deniers in the government have steadfastly refused to entertain such a policy ?

www.afr.com › politics › business-and-industry-to-go-it-alone-on-a-new..
Business and industry to 'go it alone' on a new energy policy ...
Sep 7, 2018 - State governments, business groups and industry are going it alone and preparing a framework to provide certainty for investment in the energy sector, saying they are dismayed by the implosion of the Coalition's National Energy Guarantee and the policy vacuum that has followed.