Is Global Warming becoming unstoppable?

orr · 27 September 2019

Logique said:
The thing we want:

"..Fall into line with my religion,

Logoke good to see you back here; How's that George Pell apologising protectionist/ AGW Climate Denialist MirandA 'DING BAT' Devine going these day's.. Friends of mine have told me she's good dinner party conversation... can't imagine it myself..

From redmolotov.com "If you're to stupid for science. There's always religion"... goes to prove there's a place for Miranda...

Judgement is a useful capacity...
*Please note; The above comments are ones I ask my children to actively critique and question...

basilio · 27 September 2019

MoxJo says Climate Change is "Big Business".

He's absolutely right. Adapting to the climate change we can't stop. Mitigating the worst effects. Cleaning up after a series of horrific climate caused catastrophes.

One way or another there will be enormous call on new investments, new developments.

Don't worry. Business will take a millisecond to recognise the opportunities in disaster, adaptation or mitigation.

But trying to say the reality behind global warming is all a scare and a scam is a sick lie.

moXJO · 27 September 2019

rederob said:
(my emphasis in red)

Not only did you initially use the word "activist," your posted response at #2490 was in relation to this comment from basilio
"THERE IS NO WAY IN THE WORLD GRETA THUNBERG HAS RECEIVED $46 Million dollar by being an activist."
This was the theme you worked from, and it was in the context of being a big business machine.
Classic denial moXJO .
ASF has other threads which deal with renewables/energy transition issues.

Greta is a money maker and the front of a large PR machine. Whats your point?
I posted up the name of the guy who pushed her as well. Another al gore trainee.
Do you need me to run down another breakdown of her. Or do you think you can get the gist from the first example I used. Its the same basic bloody systems.

moXJO · 27 September 2019

basilio said:
MoxJo says Climate Change is "Big Business".

.

Its an investment opportunity. Its trillions of dollars of change. Everyone thinks its the end of capitalism- its more like the renewal .

Why on earth you guys get butthurt over business jumping on board is beyond me. I didn't doubt the science. But I don't swallow the marketing bs and neither do a lot of others. Theres just as many sharks the same as any other industry.

Theres a massive sum of money involved and plenty of VCs dropping money on good ideas.

rederob · 27 September 2019

moXJO said:
Greta is a money maker and the front of a large PR machine. Whats your point?
I posted up the name of the guy who pushed her as well. Another al gore trainee.
Do you need me to run down another breakdown of her. Or do you think you can get the gist from the first example I used. Its the same basic bloody systems.

No, you have a warped sense of reality and no real idea of what "big business" actually entails. All you did was reference kindergarten stuff .
You are free to believe what you want.

moXJO · 27 September 2019

rederob said:
No, you have a warped sense of reality and no real idea of what "big business" actually entails. All you did was reference kindergarten stuff .
You are free to believe what you want.

Sure thing butters.

IFocus · 28 September 2019

orr said:
Logoke good to see you back here; How's that George Pell apologising protectionist/ AGW Climate Denialist MirandA 'DING BAT' Devine going these day's.. Friends of mine have told me she's good dinner party conversation... can't imagine it myself..

From redmolotov.com "If you're to stupid for science. There's always religion"... goes to prove there's a place for Miranda...

Judgement is a useful capacity...
*Please note; The above comments are ones I ask my children to actively critique and question...

It used to be those that were religious denied science and that God made the earth in 7 days.....................now those that believe science are called religious

rederob · 28 September 2019

IFocus said:
It used to be those that were religious denied science and that God made the earth in 7 days.....................now those that believe science are called religious

It's all from the denialism copybook, derived from big tobacco.
Just as moXJO has beaten up the earlier post from wayneL claiming Thunberg has made millions, and there's now a "big business machine" backing her activism.
It's such twaddle.
As I repeat often, what denialists do not do is use any actual science in support of their ideas.
Lies, diversions, and misinformation are the stock in trade of denialists and it's apparent in their many hundreds of posts in this thread alone.

noirua · 28 September 2019

China Railways close to completion on $30bn coal freight line
September 23 2019
https://www.constructionglobal.com/...close-completion-30bn-coal-freight-line?q=ntr

China Railways is close to completing the world’s longest heavy freight line to haul coal from China’s northern mines to its eastern and central provinces.

One of the main reasons for building the nearly 2,000km (1,243-mile) long railway is to ease transportation bottlenecks in the domestic supply chain. China is rich in coal - with its resource concentrated in the northern provinces of Inner Mongolia, Shanxi and Shaanxi - but the distribution is uneven.

Almost a decade in the making, the nearly $30bn Haoji Railway will start around the end of this month and eventually haul as much as 200 million tonnes from key producing regions in the north to consumers in the south, reports Bloomberg.

That’s more than Japan uses in a year and could cut China’s domestic seaborne coal trade by 10% in the long run, Fenwei Energy Information Services Co. forecasts.

basilio · 28 September 2019

moXJO said:
Its an investment opportunity. Its trillions of dollars of change. Everyone thinks its the end of capitalism- its more like the renewal .

Why on earth you guys get butthurt over business jumping on board is beyond me. I didn't doubt the science. But I don't swallow the marketing bs and neither do a lot of others. Theres just as many sharks the same as any other industry.

Theres a massive sum of money involved and plenty of VCs dropping money on good ideas.

The renewal of capitalism ? The focus on growth at any cost ? On chasing the highest profit regardless of consequences ? The willingness to invest in some of the most damaging products and lie through your teeth to keep making them when their failings are obvious ?

In the conversation about climate change the biggest blockers to talking action have been the fossil fuel companies. As pure capitalists they were (and still are) determined to extract every dollar they could from their rich investments and on the way undermine the reality of what their business was doing to the world.

And this industry knew from their own research the effect of CO2 emissions on global warming.

When scientists, including those in the energy industry, understood the dangers of excess CO2 production to our climate capitalism had its chance to re calibrate. That was the time to recognise we had a problem and set up the research, development and infrastructure into carbon free renewable energy over a 30 year transition period. That could have happened from 1990 to 2020. The same industries could have been world leaders in clean renewable energy.

By now we could be living a world with far less pollution, limited impacts of global warming and the trauma of what we are facing would be a relatively small blip.

But it hasn't happened that way has it ? Instead the fossil fuel industry chose to set up a campaign of lies and misinformation about the science behind global warming. Their lies were peddled to the credulous and on the way have manged to undermine the credibility of our scientific community. We now have the situation where millions of people including many on this forum swear climate scientists are just making up stories to get grants, that global warming is a scam to run one world governments, that the Arctic/Antarctic isn't melting (much) , that huge forest fires in the Arctic Circle are "meh", that sea levels aren't rising ect. ect.

This is our current capitalist system in full flower moXJo.

It's a flourishing parasite that has now destroyed its host.

moXJO · 28 September 2019

rederob said:
It's all from the denialism copybook, derived from big tobacco.
Just as moXJO has beaten up the earlier post from wayneL claiming Thunberg has made millions, and there's now a "big business machine" backing her activism.
It's such twaddle.
As I repeat often, what denialists do not do is use any actual science in support of their ideas.
Lies, diversions, and misinformation are the stock in trade of denialists and it's apparent in their many hundreds of posts in this thread alone.

More nothing.
Everything I posted is verified. You posted a lot of emotional dribble. Can't disprove it with facts so label it a "denier". True to form when you get caught out.

moXJO · 28 September 2019

basilio said:
The renewal of capitalism ? The focus on growth at any cost ? On chasing the highest profit regardless of consequences ? The willingness to invest in some of the most damaging products and lie through your teeth to keep making them when their failings are obvious ?

In the conversation about climate change the biggest blockers to talking action have been the fossil fuel companies. As pure capitalists they were (and still are) determined to extract every dollar they could from their rich investments and on the way undermine the reality of what their business was doing to the world.

And this industry knew from their own research the effect of CO2 emissions on global warming.

When scientists, including those in the energy industry, understood the dangers of excess CO2 production to our climate capitalism had its chance to re calibrate. That was the time to recognise we had a problem and set up the research, development and infrastructure into carbon free renewable energy over a 30 year transition period. That could have happened from 1990 to 2020. The same industries could have been world leaders in clean renewable energy.

By now we could be living a world with far less pollution, limited impacts of global warming and the trauma of what we are facing would be a relatively small blip.

But it hasn't happened that way has it ? Instead the fossil fuel industry chose to set up a campaign of lies and misinformation about the science behind global warming. Their lies were peddled to the credulous and on the way have manged to undermine the credibility of our scientific community. We now have the situation where millions of people including many on this forum swear climate scientists are just making up stories to get grants, that global warming is a scam to run one world governments, that the Arctic/Antarctic isn't melting (much) , that huge forest fires in the Arctic Circle are "meh", that sea levels aren't rising ect. ect.

This is our current capitalist system in full flower moXJo.

It's a flourishing parasite that has now destroyed its host.

Why on earth do you think its going to stop?
Money will move and take advantage. I didn't fricken invent it.

But Im not stupid enough to believe we are all going to be sitting around holding hands in greenie paradise because investment shifts.

rederob · 28 September 2019

moXJO said:
More nothing.
Everything I posted is verified. You posted a lot of emotional dribble. Can't disprove it with facts so label it a "denier". True to form when you get caught out.

The problem is that it was not as you claimed it to be.
A few individuals, a number of NGOs, and other tenuous references that were supposed to be part of some "big business machine."
All your work is based on joining dots that lead to a junk yard.
You also suggested that it was me introducing "activism," whereas I showed it was clearly you.
So what fact would you like addressed now, because yours are as fanciful as the denialists always present.
(Remembering of course that you keep dodging the issue of quantifying how much of a business "activism" is.)

moXJO · 28 September 2019

rederob said:
The problem is that it was not as you claimed it to be.
A few individuals, a number of NGOs, and other tenuous references that were supposed to be part of some "big business machine."
All your work is based on joining dots that lead to a junk yard.
You also suggested that it was me introducing "activism," whereas I showed it was clearly you.
So what fact would you like addressed now, because yours are as fanciful as the denialists always present.
(Remembering of course that you keep dodging the issue of quantifying how much of a business "activism" is.)

You have shown zero...
Thats a small part of a larger objective. Lobbying both people and government is how you enact change that is favourable to what outcome you want. The easiest way is get enough people on board. And that is through activism in this case.

Now I posted up part of what happens. Only you seem to be dull enough not to get the gist but you did jump to the usual standard of "denier". The only thing "eco-sheep" can bring to the table.

You are trying to argue an irrelevant point in a larger argument. Yet have zero credible sources or arguments apart from nitpicking.

Its big business that is also unified in its objectives.

rederob · 28 September 2019

moXJO said:
You have shown zero...
Thats a small part of a larger objective. Lobbying both people and government is how you enact change that is favourable to what outcome you want. The easiest way is get enough people on board. And that is through activism in this case.
Now I posted up part of what happens. Only you seem to be dull enough not to get the gist but you did jump to the usual standard of "denier". The only thing "eco-sheep" can bring to the table.
You are trying to argue an irrelevant point in a larger argument. Yet have zero credible sources or arguments apart from nitpicking.
Its big business that is also unified in its objectives.

You posted this:

moXJO said:
I think the refusal to see what is in reality a big business machine.

And I asked you to show us this "big business machine" which we apparently are refusing to see - all your words.
So the onus was squarely on you to come up with something credible. And we get Al Gore, some small NGOs, and other trifles from you as evidence.
Apparently questioning how your referenced folk can be big business is "nit picking."
Anyhow, you have again claimed in your latest post that it is big business.
So stump up some numbers to show how this activism is such big business.

wayneL · 28 September 2019

The real agenda, finally in the open

moXJO · 28 September 2019

rederob said:
You posted this:
And I asked you to show us this "big business machine" which we apparently are refusing to see - all your words.
So the onus was squarely on you to come up with something credible. And we get Al Gore, some small NGOs, and other trifles from you as evidence.
Apparently questioning how your referenced folk can be big business is "nit picking."
Anyhow, you have again claimed in your latest post that it is big business.
So stump up some numbers to show how this activism is such big business.

So the post that I made with numbers involved, from the O.G of activists for CC, with the collusion of all activism advocate investors wasn't enough. That now I have to throw up another one for your dumb ass on how lobbying government and activism goes hand in hand. Or the trillions of dollars that are about to open up in projects in areas these same guys are VCing targeted businesses.
Yeah sure I'll jam one up.

IFocus · 28 September 2019

moXJO said:
But Im not stupid enough to believe we are all going to be sitting around holding hands in greenie paradise because investment shifts.

Come on Mo nothing wrong with a a big greenie man hug

rederob · 28 September 2019

moXJO said:
So the post that I made with numbers involved, from the O.G of activists for CC, with the collusion of all activism advocate investors wasn't enough. That now I have to throw up another one for your dumb ass on how lobbying government and activism goes hand in hand. Or the trillions of dollars that are about to open up in projects in areas these same guys are VCing targeted businesses.
Yeah sure I'll jam one up.

What you offered was so far removed from “big business” it was laughable.
Nothing new there.
Now try “diversion” or some other tactic.

basilio · 29 September 2019

Back to the real world.

Have many people on ASF heard of Michael Mobbs ? Back in the 90's he turned his Sydney terrace into a fully sustainable house.
Own power, water , sewage system.
But he is moving. Interesting read.
Best quote ?
And I found [my sustainable house] was put in perspective, I saw myself as quite an aberration – just alone with millions of people who have no concept of what the realities are and think that they have time ... They seem to believe that if they have superannuation, climate change won’t apply to them.”

Sustainability expert Michael Mobbs: I’m leaving the city to prep for the apocalypse
Michael Mobbs outside his sustainable house in the inner-city Sydney suburb of Chippendale. Photograph: Jessica Hromas/The Guardian
The man who wrote the book on living off-grid in the city plans to retreat to a rural bolthole, saying eco-friendly progress has not kept pace with the speed of climate collapse

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...m-leaving-the-city-to-prep-for-the-apocalypse

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