Is Global Warming becoming unstoppable?

[Logique]

So being a clear believer in the current man made climate change I am a fanatic?

I hold you in high regard Explod, but I don't agree with you on these matters. Too many of your fellow climate travellers see a vulnerable 16 year old girl, with documented health issues, and impressionable young school kids wagging school, as just collateral damage. To me this is repellent.

The campaign tactics have become ever more extreme, stooping ever lower. I don't think ASF should be providing a platform for this.

 

[chiff]

I hold you in high regard Explod, but I don't agree with you on these matters. Too many of your fellow climate travellers see a vulnerable 16 year old girl, with documented health issues, and impressionable young school kids wagging school, as just collateral damage. To me this is repellent.

The campaign tactics have become ever more extreme, stooping ever lower. I don't think ASF should be providing a platform for this.

What does anyone find wrong Greta Thunberg's message?Why attack her on a personal level.Does this discredit the message?I would have thought the opposite was the case.

 

[moXJO]

Am still looking for your so called "big business machine."
Where are you hiding it/them?
Not for profits are hardly big business, while "green contracts" are funded policy initiatives from those elected to make such decisions.

A bit disingenuous that you can't take basic steps to investigate Al gore. Yet you can argue to a decimal place.

Groups that track the economics estimate that, all told, more than half a trillion dollars a year is going into climate-related activities. Much of that does not cross borders, but is spent by private investors in wealthy nations on projects such as solar plants. The figures are rising, but researchers say that banks, investors and governments are not spending anywhere near enough.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02712-3

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwit3M6q9OzkAhUbfysKHdCDDDAQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/12/business/climate-change-funds-profit-global-warming.html&psig=AOvVaw2mfLoyRaMCptS0fY8HF1le&ust=1569533037589130

So we have green funds that fund for green infrastructure and varied programs that do a lot of good. A lot of them provide the meat.

Then we have the "institutions" that lobby, funnel and siphon cash. Mixed bag this lot generally "rentseekers".
And a lot of back scratching goes on between firms as it is a common purpose.
Al gore has his "leech" institute. He basically lead the way on profiting on the "green" label.


Lets do beyond meat as an example of how it works from Micro to macro.

When I heard about Beyond Meat (BYND) going public it reminded me of Pets.com back in the dotcom bubble era. My opinions are strictly personal but imagine a company with no real sales tapping into the “green” mentality that will deliver all its vegan burgers with fossil fuels!

Even Leonardo DiCaprio, the fake “Green” has invested in this company who flies around in jets. Next thing we may hear is that Al Gore is buying shares.

It was a very slick IPO as they timed it very well with the peak of the Nasdaq. Suck as much money as they can from investors when valuations are at their extremes already is pretty normal. There is no way in telling at this time, but insane moves can bring on more insane moves until investors get tired with a company that has no earnings but plenty of losses.


https://elliottwave5.com/beyond-meat-sucking-in-the-green-investors/


This jumped up near $200

So who is one of the major investors

Kleiner Perkins is the top investor in the company, with 15.9% share — making its stake at the time of IPO worth nearly $200M. The VC firm is followed by Obvious Ventures at 9.2%, and DNS Capital at 9% (both roughly worth $110M at a $25 share price).

https://www.cbinsights.com/research/beyond-meat-ipo-investor-analysis/


So kleiner Perkins is there.

We get this story on cnn:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/07/17/...s-report/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

And this research institute:

This calculation comes from the World Resources Institute, a global research nonprofit that supports better use of natural resources to sustain a growing population.


Yep ok.

Who the hell is WRI?
well who sits on their board is a better question.

Good old david blood
https://www.wri.org/profile/david-blood

David Blood is co-founder and Senior Partner of Generation Investment Management. Since its founding in 2004, Generation has played an integral role in the development of sustainable investing and in demonstrating the long-term commercial and societal benefits of this approach. Previously, David spent 18 years at Goldman Sachs including serving as CEO of Goldman Sachs Asset Management.

David received a B.A. from Hamilton College and an M.B.A. from the Harvard Graduate School of Business. He is chairman of Dialight, Social Finance UK and co-chair of The World Resources Institute and on the boards of On the Edge Conservation and SHINE. David is also a life trustee of Hamilton College.

SO wait he was the co founder to al gores investment fund. Lucky none of them are connected to the investors.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/h...ent-Management-Kleiner-Perkins-Caufield-Byers

MENLO PARK, Calif. & LONDON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers (“KPCB”) and Generation Investment Management (“Generation”) today announced a global collaboration to find, fund and accelerate green business, technology and policy solutions with the greatest potential to help solve the current climate crisis. The partnership will provide funding and global business-building expertise to a range of businesses, both public and private, and to entrepreneurs. As a result of the collaboration, the chairman and co-founder of Generation Investment Management, former Vice President of the United States Al Gore, will join KPCB as a Partner. KPCB will co-locate their European operations at Generation’s offices in London. John Doerr, Partner at KPCB, will join Generation’s Advisory Board.

Oopps they are. So they basically wrote the research invested in it and profited. This is how all business operates at a major level.
Right now the green space is still in cowboy territory. Its how the crypto space was a few years back before it popped.
As investors you should all probably know how it works. There are opportunities at micro to macro level. Im not saying its bad Im saying this is the reality. Its a money making exercise that hopefully benefits the earth. But its still a lot about the $$.

 

[moXJO]

Want me to do greta and her rise?
Guess what?!?!
It has an al gore PR wannabe in it who couldn't wait to profit!!!

 

[basilio]

A shorter take on the latest IPCC report
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At which point in this conversation do we discuss how serious global warming is and the overwhelming infrastructure changes that will be required to cope with its certain consequences let alone trying to reduce overall impact ?

It is certainly "big business". But it will be vital. And terminating the industries that are currently adding to GG emissions will also be vital.

 

[moXJO]

A shorter take on the latest IPCC report
__________________________
At which point in this conversation do we discuss how serious global warming is and the overwhelming infrastructure changes that will be required to cope with its certain consequences let alone trying to reduce overall impact ?

It is certainly "big business". But it will be vital. And terminating the industries that are currently adding to GG emissions will also be vital.

I'm not saying all green business is bad. Its the same as in any industry. There is greed that will cash in on the "green" label.
Its early days, but some good investments on the ground floor.

But people need to be sensible to the marketing. Its designed to hit on the emotional level.

 

[wayneL]

 

[qldfrog]

So being a clear believer in the current man made climate change I am a fanatic?

Being in denial of any science contradicting a rudimentary model which can be proven wrong by any 12y old makes you one,
you and manyy here seem not to have realised that half of the people you label deniers are just trying to find the cause of what they realise is a rapid change of climate, but can not clearly be explained by the current simplistic explanation
It is never good to be told that
" it is too complex for you to understand" so believe that fairy tale
Lets use the left usual way of dealing with uncomfortable truth
Shut the debate

 

[qldfrog]

And why am i here again..

 

[rederob]

A bit disingenuous that you can't take basic steps to investigate Al gore. ally lead the way on profiting on the "green" label.

Al Gore is not a climate scientist and is never relevant to my discussions.

Groups that track the economics estimate that, all told, more than half a trillion dollars a year is going into climate-related activities. Much of that does not cross borders, but is spent by private investors in wealthy nations on projects such as solar plants.

Where is the big Business you claimed?

Beyond Meat (BYND)

Please show how this affects climate matters.
Lot of wind from you, but nothing supporting your previous claims.

 

[qldfrog]

Thread ignored

 

[rederob]

Being in denial of any science contradicting a rudimentary model which can be proven wrong by any 12y old makes you one,

What are you talking about?

you and manyy here seem not to have realised that half of the people you label deniers are just trying to find the cause of what they realise is a rapid change of climate, but can not clearly be explained by the current simplistic explanation

The IPCC has clearly spelled out what the causes are. Perhaps read their Reports.

It is never good to be told that
" it is too complex for you to understand"

Whereas it has never been hard to explain; it's called the "greenhouse effect" and has CO2 as a principal contributor.

 

[moXJO]

Al Gore is not a climate scientist and is never relevant to my discussions.
Where is the big Business you claimed?
Please show how this affects climate matters.
Lot of wind from you, but nothing supporting your previous claims.

Your post is similar to a butter sandwich. Nothing in it.
I literally joined the dots for you.
Showing you anything is a waste of time. Once you get caught out you play "50 Questions" to cover your ignorance.
Reducing cattle reduces emissions, or so we are told.

 

[rederob]

Your post is similar to a butter sandwich. Nothing in it.
I literally joined the dots for you.

Really, so where is this big business machine you keep talking about?

 

[moXJO]

Really, so where is this big business machine you keep talking about?

Read above. Its pretty easy to put together. You asked how to profit.

Or experience it for yourself after the gender op. I'm thinking "Green Woke" as a company name. I'd ask for your input- but I already demoted you to secretary

 

[IFocus]

 

[rederob]

Read above. Its pretty easy to put together. You asked how to profit.

Or experience it for yourself after the gender op. I'm thinking "Green Woke" as a company name. I'd ask for your input- but I already demoted you to secretary

I asked where your so called “big business machine” was.
As usual you offer nothing credible, and like so many others posting climate science denials, think irrelevances can be valid.

 

[moXJO]

I asked where your so called “big business machine” was.
As usual you offer nothing credible, and like so many others posting climate science denials, think irrelevances can be valid.

And I pointed it out. Its not a "wheres waldo" kind of deal. Pretty simple.

 

[rederob]

The other thing is the money of climate change. Its big business.

Your ideas of evidence to support your claim that climate change is "big business" are about as useful as wayneL's ideas.
If you believe you joined the dots, then you get a picture of a donkey.
The idea promoted in this thread that there is a "debate" over the legitimacy of climate change is a fabrication.
It's perpetuated by the many posts which, like yours on claimed "big business," offer no real evidence at all.
Smear, misinformation and diversion are not debate.

 

[wayneL]

Interesting to see where the actual denial is here.