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India: the new China

Lucky_Country

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From what I have been reading India is growing at a far rapider pace that China.

India is supposed to be ~10 years behind China in its development and the China boom really started to kick in around 05-06.

Companies are looking far further ahead than most investors maybe we should to.
 
From what I have been reading India is growing at a far rapider pace that China.
Chinese President Xi Jinping sees 'factory China' and 'back office India'
powering global economy --

AHMEDABAD: The "world's factory" and the "world's back office" could together
drive global economic growth, Chinese President Xi Jinping said as he began a rare visit to
India on Wednesday, playing down mistrust that has long kept the Asian giants
apart.



Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
 
A great shame that this thread has had so few posts.
India will overtake China as the alrgest single country population at some time in the next ten years, and its fertility rate of 2.2 is way ahead of China's 1.7.
It has a median age of 28, some ten year younger than China's.
It is the largest democracy by population.Given that China occupies so much of the Oz tarde psyche, perhaps its time to look at our tarde relationship with India.
From The Evil Murdoch press
Like China, India has a massive diaspora in other countries, Australia being no exception.
The attention on China should be waning as the attention to India increases.
Mick
 
it is quite difficult to get exposure to India without all sorts of extra trading account bells , there are only a few Australian domiciled ETFs that focus there , normally the investor has to resort to 'Asian ETFs ' or similarly focused LICs so you are only looking at 10% to 20% exposure

my international focus is towards India but am not very successful at it ( so far )

so far IIND , ASIA , EAI , and PAI are my main holdings with Indian exposure

India is obviously a major potential growth market , but don't neglect other up and coming nations in a fixation with India
 

Is India the world's best growth story?​



my international focus is towards India but am not very successful at it ( so far )

so far IIND , ASIA , EAI , and PAI are my main holdings with Indian exposure
 
another 'discovery' of India.

India: On Track to Become the World's #3 Economy​

By Ed D'Agostino |05 March, 2024

India’s growth story is unprecedented.
It has the fastest-growing major economy in the world—GDP grew 8.4% in the final quarter of 2023, according to data released last week. Many analysts expect it to pass Germany and Japan to become the world’s third-largest economy. Deloitte South Asia CEO Romal Shetty thinks that will happen by 2027.

Much of this growth stems from favorable demographics. Last year, India surpassed China to become to the largest nation by population. It’s also the only top-five economy that’s young—40% of people there are under age 25. And India will stay relatively young because it’s the only top-five economy where births exceed the replacement rate.

EM to DM in 25 Years​

India’s Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, wants to turn India into a developed country “within the next 25 years.” That is ambitious, but not implausible.
Modi, who’s up for reelection this year, has been opening the economy to foreign investment since he came to power in 2014. Foreign direct investment reached $71 billion for the 2022–23 financial year, and India’s information technology minister says they’re targeting $100 billion in annual FDI “in the next few years.”

Modi is turning India into a manufacturing hub through programs like Make in India, capturing business from Western companies seeking a cheaper and friendlier alternative to China. Manufacturing accounts for 17% of India’s GDP, but projections show that figure reaching 25% as early as next year.

Electronics manufacturing is growing particularly fast, almost doubling between 2017 and 2022. It’s expected to reach a compound annual growth rate of 24% from now to 2027.
Apple, for example, plans to make roughly a quarter of all iPhones in India within 2–3 years. This will help the company minimize its dependence on China. Foxconn, a Taiwanese electronics manufacturer and major Apple supplier, is spending $1.5 billion to set up shop in India as well.

India’s Digital Infrastructure—a Leader in Fintech​

For the past decade, Modi has been building out India’s digital infrastructure, called India Stack, to facilitate growth and modernization. India Stack (developed under Infosys co-founder Nandan Nilekani) is underpinned by India’s biometrics-based national ID program, Aadhaar. The system sounds a bit invasive to my American ears, but its benefits are undeniable. 99% of Indians have signed up for Aadhaar because it gives them access to digital banking and other aspects of modern life that you and I take for granted.

The numbers are telling. Today, at least 78% of Indians over the age of 15 have a bank account. That’s a massive leap from 2011, when only 44% of Indians over 15 had one.

In today’s India (and other emerging markets), your smartphone is a gateway to e-commerce, insurance, banking… everything. What sets India apart is its digital payment system, combined with broad access to the internet. A smartphone can be had for $12 from Reliance Jio. Mobile data is cheap and readily accessible.

Bridging the East-West Divide​

India comes with its fair share of risks. The unemployment rate for new graduates under age 25 tops 40%. And the political environment is tense—a problem India’s high unemployment and stark class divides exacerbate.

That said, India will both drive and benefit from the core active investment themes I’m focused on—the multipolar world, reshoring /friendshoring, and AI. I’ve written before that in the coming years, most nations will fall into one of two spheres: the US sphere or the China sphere. Few will be able to do business with both, but India will be one of them, and Indian companies will benefit.

Historically, it’s been difficult for Western investors to access India. In recent years, a host of India ETFs have been created—some better than others. Many are stuffed with companies that have little revenue coming from India, or with state-owned entities.

One way to gain exposure to India’s expanding middle class and fast-growing digital economy is the India Internet & Ecommerce ETF (INQQ). Last week, I spoke with Kevin Carter, the ETF’s founder. He made a compelling case for India’s e-commerce growth. The demographic trends are striking.
Still, Indian stocks are pricey, having run up considerably over the past year. They’ll have to grow into their price-to-earnings ratios. Be sure to do your own due diligence.
 

i just hope they can keep the growth at rational levels and not suffer a 'boom and bust cycle , like other growing economies before them
 

LOL, read this article somewhere else and started searching for Indian ETFs..
 
LOL, read this article somewhere else and started searching for Indian ETFs..
I did some work for a local tank building company based locally.
They set up business in India about 10-12 years ago and the owner was going on about their potential growth back then.
Huge wealth in the massive middle class and upper crust of society over there.
Not too sure how the lower castes and untouchables will fare with the booming economy though.
I guess the rubbish tips and begging will still be their saviour.
 
i hold IIND ( bought March 2022 $9.51 )

and ASIA ( not so India-centric currently ) in 2018 av. SP $5.275 , but took some cash off the table ( in ASIA ) January 2021 @ $12.25 .

for ASIA top ten

CODECOMPANYASSET
TSMTaiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co Ltd ADR12.52%
005930Samsung Electronics Co Ltd10.57%
00700Tencent Holdings Ltd8.75%
BABAAlibaba Group Holding Ltd ADR8.24%
INFYInfosys Ltd ADR7.24%
Top 10 Holdings
CODECOMPANYASSET
NTESNetEase Inc ADR5.53%
000660SK Hynix Inc4.78%
2454MediaTek Inc3.99%
2317Hon Hai Precision Industry Co Ltd3.43%
JDJD.com Inc ADR2.77%

for IIND top ten

CODECOMPANYASSET
INFYInfosys Ltd7.36%
TCSTata Consultancy Services Ltd7.22%
BHARTIARTLBharti Airtel Ltd5.33%
COALINDIACoal India Ltd5.20%
ICICIBANKICICI Bank Ltd5.04%
Top 10 Holdings
CODECOMPANYASSET
KOTAKBANKKotak Mahindra Bank Ltd4.89%
500696Hindustan Unilever Ltd4.72%
500124Dr Reddy's Laboratories Ltd4.13%
RELIANCEReliance Industries Ltd4.02%
VBLVarun Beverages Ltd3.88%

on my watch-list but not held is

NDIA

top ten

CODECOMPANYASSET
HDFCBANKHDFC Bank Ltd11.51%
RELIANCEReliance Industries Ltd10.11%
ICICIBANKICICI Bank Ltd7.57%
INFYInfosys Ltd6.26%
LTLarsen & Toubro Ltd4.56%
Top 10 Holdings
CODECOMPANYASSET
ITCITC Ltd4.12%
TCSTata Consultancy Services Ltd4.09%
BHARTIARTLBharti Airtel Ltd3.11%
532215Axis Bank Ltd3.10%
KOTAKBANKKotak Mahindra Bank Ltd2.85%
 
India has been too slow imo to be the next China.

Large amounts of manufacturing in the last few years has quickly left China for the likes of Malaysia, Indonesia, Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand and even partly Cambodia.
Check their rapidly rising GDP data to match.

The next China is..... drumroll..... Yes, you guessed it, China. Slowly but surely, you just wait and see.

China has over 60% of the manufacturing for the green agenda. 'nuff said
 
remember India was still under British rule until 1947 , it still has a naturally growing population despite the immigration

the next China yes , but will it be 20 years or 50 years ??

but China won't fade away quickly unless it makes some terrible mistakes , it should track India fairly closely
 
the next China yes , but will it be 20 years or 50 years ??
Still don't agree.
Belt and road business and good old fashioned outsourcing.
Example currently;
 
but India has location , and a growing population , add in a clever Indian leader could mend fences with Bangladesh and Sri Lanka , maybe even Pakistan

the main thing India has to do is resist conflict with China so both can grow at their own pace

the Chinese 'belt and road will meet some hurdles ( Europe ) but will most likely partly achieve it's aims
 

I have to agree, unless there is big change in how the different political classes.

Never say never.

Most people know that India is a rising economic power. It is already the world’s fifth-largest economy and is growing faster than any big rival, with a turbocharged stockmarket that is the fourth-largest of any country’s. It is also common knowledge that India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi, is its most powerful in decades and that, as well as economic development, his agenda includes a Hindu-first populism that can veer into chauvinism and authoritarianism. Less well known is that these competing trends of development and identity politics are together fuelling a striking third trend: a growing north-south split.


 
an email doing the rounds from a NRI.

rose coloured glasses?


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