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Imminent and severe market correction

Current base metal prices are falling due to rising output from mines globally and also due to some short-term efforts by China to rein in runaway growth. Lower base metal prices put downward pressure on the SPs of the base metal miners that constitute a large proportion of the ASX, and also reduces demand for the Australian dollar sending it lower. The ausdollar has been weakening for the past fortnight in any case as an indirect result of recessionary fears in the USA being translated into global bearishness. The US dollar remains on its longterm downward path, fortunately for the ausdollar which could otherwise have fallen further.

For Australia, its weaker dollar pushes up prices and inflation, making another rate rise soon more likely. Rate rises strengthen the dollar. When the dollar was stronger recently this was one of few good arguments against a rate rise, but the present weaker dollar is now a reason to favour a rate rise. The higher the lending rate rises, the less attractive shares become. A bearish vicious circle could be in the making for the Australian share market.

Until a circuit-breaker switches sentiment to the positive, my forecast is that the general downtrend will not be turning upwards just yet. When global sentiment is as bearish as it is at the moment, the bearishness has a tendency to be self-fulfilling. Smart bears who fear further falls take their money out of the market, putting yet more downward pressure on prices. All that is required now to complete this particular correction is 2 or 3 days of carnage to push prices low enough for bulls to re-emerge. If this does happen then don't worry, there will probably be a rapid rebound similar to after the August correction.
 
Ye gods and little fishes.... he's missed his calling... should have been an each-way bookie...
Cheers
........Kauri

GreenPeas'n'Ham speak...

November 23. The Ex-Fed Chairman is speaking in Oslo and has told reporters that the inflation impact of a weaker Dollar is sometimes unimportant, sometimes very important and that were it not for flexibility in the economy the chances of a U.S recession would be above 50%.
 
Yes , that's all they've announced to date , we know there will be more after the resets next year , I had this info a couple of weeks back , tretaed it as heresay , until I noted the balance sheets difference quoted to me , that came out in an audit report , going back last year .
I hinted of it in prior posts , but the first wave of news is out know , so we can discuss it at length without fear of legal implications now .

I've heard claims of the figure exceeding 28Bln , but have no alternative as to rate them as plausible gossip or rumour .

I should clarify my 6200 statement a little more as most of the decline , will become forthcoming after the US inspire confidence rally ends . A correction is in motion , unfortunately we will not be able to avoid , as we tend to follow the US markets in our opens and the strategies of the high rollers . Which I don't really mind as it is a quasi crystal ball , for our markets , giving us some forewarning , if only a day . A 6220 to 5800 correction would be very healthy for our bull run , and I would expect the new levels I spoke of in previous post , which would then bounce back and make news high AGAIN .
 
My position is that we are now entering the next leg in the bull run, the latest bout of sell offs will ease up for a while and should be all good for a little bit and any extra news from the US unless its major will be met with 'ho hum' as people get over it like the market did after Jul/Aug for a while. I bought Friday taking the bet that stocks were too cheap to be ignored and would be bought back sooner or later, that bit came true. woo hoo

Im a bit worried about market reaction when the Fed doesnt cut rates Dec 11 tho. I say there'll be a sell off then.

I'm also transferring out of banks and going overweight in the big resources and leighton. Fingers crossed

They are just my thoughts at the moment running my portfolio.
 
Beware the Taxi drivers... one of the best indicators around..

Given the changing nature of monetary flows and the subprime issue overhanging almost everything now (Tokyo cabbies are now complaining of less year-end festivities due to losses at Japanese financial institutions due to subprime),

Cheers
.........Kauri
 
early word circulating that a leading US firm has
a downward revision to Fed Funds rate call. Expects the Fed funds rate to be 3.0% by the middle of next year ....also says that US recession risk has risen, and is now as high as 45%.
Only rumours... so far... but???
Cheers
.........Kauri
 
Looks like the Financial Times (for mine not always the most reliable of sheets) is jumping in on the Back of the ADIA/Citi story... :confused:
Cheers
.........Kauri
November 28. The FT website carries a headline article saying that Middle Eastern and Asian sovereign funds have invested around $37bln in western financial companies this year and analysts believe there is significant appetite for further opportunities in this distressed market.
The funds are taking a more optimistic view than the market on the outlook for banks exchanges and asset managers and could be a significant factor in stabilizing the current problems in the financial system, if the political issues are cleared.
 
Looks like the Financial Times (for mine not always the most reliable of sheets) is jumping in on the Back of the ADIA/Citi story... :confused:
Cheers
.........Kauri
With the Arabs and Richard Branson, the world economy is safe. :) Wonder when the Oracle will step up?
 
John Mauldins letter Outside the Box talks about The Next Dominos:
Junk Bond And Counterparty Risk, makes Subprime look very minor small excerp

The introduction of CDS coincided with a favorable economic climate for creditors and debtors. Since the nadir of the last credit cycle in 2002, creditors had a uniformly positive lending experience with virtually no defaults. The CDS market blossomed and the issuance of credit expanded, untethered by considerations of risk. From a modest infancy, the notional value of CDS today surpasses the amount of underlying cash bonds by an order of magnitude.[vi] CDS contracts now total $45.5 trillion of outstanding credit risk, growing an amazing nine-fold in the last three years alone. Putting such a large number in some perspective, $45 trillion is almost five times the U.S. national debt and more than three times U.S. GDP.


An Insurance Market with No Loss Reserves
One way of thinking about the CDS market is that of a huge, new insurance industry whose providers reserve nothing for future losses. Imagine what would happen if $45 trillion worth of insurance policies experienced an actuarial average of 5% losses and no one had $2.25 trillion sitting around to foot the bill![vii


Focus
 
Looks like the Financial Times (for mine not always the most reliable of sheets) is jumping in on the Back of the ADIA/Citi story... :confused:
Cheers
.........Kauri

I'm not surprised .......... even though , I don't buy into it .

A movement of debt , that's all it represents to me ............ and ......... I don't think it will be the last for Citi .

11% yield ...... that sizzles , would have been better off cutting the dividend , as long as there were no more problems on the book .........
 
What about others just coming into the light ? Wells Fargo etc. , I suspect the problems are deeper there too . Not just a few billion either , triple digit figures are hinted at around the desks .
 
Subprime losses to reach ¥626 billion
Kyodo News
Japanese financial institutions are likely to book losses totaling ¥626 billion in business 2007 as a result of the U.S. subprime loan crisis, according to their reports released by Tuesday.

The projected figure includes appraisal losses on securities holdings linked to subprime housing loans extended to borrowers with poor credit histories in the United States.

In the April-September first half of the business year, banks, credit unions and other financial concerns booked a total of ¥370 billion in charges against subprime-related losses.

The total included ¥145.6 billion written off by Nomura Holdings Inc., Japan's biggest securities house.

The outstanding balance of subprime-related securities held by financial institutions totaled ¥1.33 trillion at the end of September.

Norinchukin Bank on Tuesday became the latest major Japanese financial institution to release a report on subprime-linked losses, saying the total was ¥105.7 billion for the April-September period.

c/- the Japan Times

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nb20071128a3.html
 
I'm not surprised .......... even though , I don't buy into it .

A movement of debt , that's all it represents to me ............ and ......... I don't think it will be the last for Citi .

11% yield ...... that sizzles , would have been better off cutting the dividend , as long as there were no more problems on the book .........

Citibank has effectively gone from subprime lender to subprime borrower. 11% is horrible, corporate bonds are yielding around 9% at the moment. That adds an extra $825 million annually to Citigroup's expenses. Not to mention the dilution to existing shareholders.

It should be remembered that Citi's balance sheet is over $2 trillion so a $7.5 billion injection does not get them out of the woods - far from it. Maintaining their dividend will mean they pay out 90% of profits this year and based on forecasts 60 - 70% next year so a cut to the dividend can't be ruled out yet.

At this point I think Citi have chosen the lesser of two evils. The stock was up a lacklustre 1.5% yesterday, on this supposed good news, imagine what would have happened if they announced a cut in their dividend.
 
and now for the latest indicator.. just in case there are not enough out there already... :D
Cheers
............Kauri

The Globe and Mail has another obscure economic indicator it notes, sales of U.S. motor homes. Apparently, sales fall every time the US is about to go into recession and a University of Michigan forecast says that those sales will decline 4.8% next year. The article recommends watching Winnebago stock.
 
Citibank has effectively gone from subprime lender to subprime borrower. 11% is horrible, corporate bonds are yielding around 9% at the moment. That adds an extra $825 million annually to Citigroup's expenses. Not to mention the dilution to existing shareholders.

It should be remembered that Citi's balance sheet is over $2 trillion so a $7.5 billion injection does not get them out of the woods - far from it. Maintaining their dividend will mean they pay out 90% of profits this year and based on forecasts 60 - 70% next year so a cut to the dividend can't be ruled out yet.

At this point I think Citi have chosen the lesser of two evils. The stock was up a lacklustre 1.5% yesterday, on this supposed good news, imagine what would have happened if they announced a cut in their dividend.
Dhukka, do you know what % of revenue Citi get from sub prime related products compared to the rest of their revenue streams. Also, what is the % of their writedowns related to sub prime, compared to overall profit?

The reason I ask is that we're hearing a great deal about write downs, but I'm not hearing how that compares to their profit. Same for the others banks with sub prime write downs. Could it be just a small percentage of revenue?

As you say, their overall balance sheet is $2 trillion, so how much damage is the current and suspected write downs doing to do long term?

Don't worry if you haven't got the info handy, I'll look for it myself otherwise.

Cheers.
 
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