Ice pipes - lets ban them!

[insider]

I JUST THOUGHT OF AN IDEA BECAUSE I'M LIKE SO COOL AND STUFF...

WHAT IF THE GOVERNMENT STARTED A SCARE CAMPAIGN LIKE WHAT GOVERNMENTS DO ABOUT TERRORISM AND HOW OUR FREEDOM IS UNDER THREAT AND BLAH BLAH... WHAT IF THE GOVERNMENT STARTED DOING STUFF ON HOW THERE IS A BAND OF DUDES MAKING DRUGS DESIGNED TO KILL AND JUST STAGE THE WHOLE THING LIKE A LUNA LANDING... THAT'LL MAKE PEOPLE CHANGED THEIR MIND ABOUT TRYING DRUGS... WITH COMPUTER GRAPHICS AND ACTORS AND WHATEVER THERE COULD A WHOLE LIST OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T REALLY EXIST DEAD FROM THESE THINGS...

NOW THAT'S THINKING...

 

[barney]

For those who say that banning these and various other items is a waste of time, can I again put it in laymans terms .....

If you've had children: When they were 12-18 months old and crawling around on the floor, would you have considered leaving knives or forks or marbles etc lying around ?? (and if you did that what do you think your friends and family would have thought about you as a parent??

Of cause you wouldn't, because kidz are curious and will "play" with what ever they can get their hands on ............ (And as far as I'm concerned drug users are not much different to young children .... very narrow view of reality etc)

OK I agree you wont stop drug users using drugs by banning these implements, but what it might do, is stop the "new experimenters" trying these things, just because they are available ..... that might only be 1% of the total users, but in my book that would be worth it (that 1% could be my/ or your child!!)

As parents we accept that it is our job to set standards and guidelines for our kidz. If we condone our politicians "doing nothing" in regard to this grass roots kind of censorship, what kind of message are we giving our youth??

Teaching begins in the home, but it has to follow all the way down the line to be socially effective ..... ie pre-school, school, the work place etc, and we should demand our Politicians mirror a socially conscious attitude .......... Otherwise we may as well line up the bongs and the ice pipes and anything else you can think of, on the kitchen table at home and say Kidz, Go for your life!! I'm over exaggerating of course, but I'm sure the point is made. Cheers, Barney.

PS I just asked my 18 yo daughter if she knew what an ice pipe was ..... Fortunately she didn't ..........

 

[Wysiwyg]

The mid to late teens is when the independence/rebelliousness begins.
The problem is that these seeking minds don`t know about the monsters that lurk behind the drug doors.
There is a precise time that the opportunity arises....the choice....the good,clean path of health or accepting the first drug from your friend.
To them it is an escape from the difficulties of school and family....bullied,poor,abused etc..
The escape is temporary and the euphoria short lived.The desire to stay in the hallucination is craved and then becomes habitual.

The solution (not total) is firstly the parental treatment of their children and secondly the societal treatment of our youths needs to be addressed.Tell them about the monsters that are on the drug path in life.Are the dangers made aware to teens these days or is it still taboo at school?

We all seek an escape from our life situations and their are many healthy and constructive ways.I wish for the teens to know of them.

 

[Julia]

The mid to late teens is when the independence/rebelliousness begins.
The problem is that these seeking minds don`t know about the monsters that lurk behind the drug doors.
There is a precise time that the opportunity arises....the choice....the good,clean path of health or accepting the first drug from your friend.
To them it is an escape from the difficulties of school and family....bullied,poor,abused etc..
The escape is temporary and the euphoria short lived.The desire to stay in the hallucination is craved and then becomes habitual.

The solution (not total) is firstly the parental treatment of their children and secondly the societal treatment of our youths needs to be addressed.Tell them about the monsters that are on the drug path in life.Are the dangers made aware to teens these days or is it still taboo at school?

We all seek an escape from our life situations and their are many healthy and constructive ways.I wish for the teens to know of them.

I've been involved with a Youth Mentoring programme in the high schools for a few years now, and feel the idea of initial drug use by teenagers being as a means of escape from problems is probably less of a cause than their reluctance to be seen as not "part of the group". Teenagers have an overwhelming desire to be accepted and will often do things they have reservations about purely in an attempt to be "in".

With adults then the suggestion of drugs representing an escape is probably more relevant. Human beings have sought the solace of drugs throughout history. You are so right to say that the initial effects are quickly replaced by an overwhelming dependence and a desperate need to keep using the drug.
Before long, vastly increased quantities are required simply to avoid descending into withdrawal with all its miseries.

And yes, the schools do have active anti-drug programmes. But we can't expect the schools to do what parents refuse to reinforce.

Julia

 

[Wysiwyg]

Hi Julia,

Lovely to know of you doing some hands on work to help.No doubt in a better situation of understanding than me.I understand what you say about the acceptance thing with the reasoning that the group leader/s had to go through the acceptance stage to begin also.

I also believe that the teens seek out the scene, before the acceptance stage, for the reasons I mentioned.

Thanks Julia, your sincerity is most liked.

 

[barney]

Hi Julia,

Lovely to know of you doing some hands on work to help.No doubt in a better situation of understanding than me.I understand what you say about the acceptance thing with the reasoning that the group leader/s had to go through the acceptance stage to begin also.

I also believe that the teens seek out the scene, before the acceptance stage, for the reasons I mentioned.

Thanks Julia, your sincerity is most liked.

I agree. That is indeed noble work to be involved in Julia ..... congratulations.

Apart from the obvious drug related issues here, I think what Snake was originally questioning as well, is our Political "leaders" lack of conviction in making even simple decisions which are socially responsible. The State Pollies simply did not want to make the decision to ban the pipes because they did not like being told what to do by the National Pollies ............... basically childish!!

 

[Prospector]

By all means ban Ice Pipes. But as I said before Governments have a tendancy to then sit back and say "well, we did our bit" and then let it all go to 'pot' so to speak. And banning them means that sellers/users will simply find another way! Banning bongs for instance would do nothing for stopping people smoking cannabis.

Why would my kids venture into drugs? Probably simply peer pressure, that is all. Because their friends might be doing it. As Julia says, while there are some kids who have such a rotten life you cant blame them for wanting to escape a little, for most others it is just 'because I wanted to try it, everyone talks about it...." And it takes a lot of personal strength to say 'nope, not for me" And so far so good.

My almost 17 year old knows what an ice pipe is, but alcohol is their thing at the moment. Still not legal for kids their age but am prepared to accept that he will drink to a degree if it means no drugs. And obviously we will crack down if it gets to binge/overuse issues. But I wont buy him alcohol, he has to 'source it himself' if he wants it. And I guess that is my point, I dont make it available but he can get it anyway!

As for the reason the state Govts have decided not to ban them being for political and not health reasons, well, I take that with a grain of salt really. That is what we have been told in the papers and if you go on everything you read in the media, well, you never get the full story. Let alone the facts.

 

[barney]

As for the reason the state Govts have decided not to ban them being for political and not health reasons, well, I take that with a grain of salt really. That is what we have been told in the papers and if you go on everything you read in the media, well, you never get the full story. Let alone the facts.[/QUOTE]

You are probably right there Prospector ........... Actually we should probably be "beating up" on the journo's, cause some of them cause more trouble than a dozen pollies rolled into one, all in the name of a "good story"

PS One of my sons is also 17 and into the "drinking" game ..... I also see it a lesser evil (in moderation) so have tried to educate him with "sensible" drinking habits ....... So far going fair to ok, at least we communicate which is the basis of education ............ feel sorry for the parents whose kidz just "wipe them" ... must be tough. Cheers, Barney.

 

[Prospector]

PS One of my sons is also 17 and into the "drinking" game ..... I also see it a lesser evil (in moderation) so have tried to educate him with "sensible" drinking habits ....... So far going fair to ok, at least we communicate which is the basis of education ............ feel sorry for the parents whose kidz just "wipe them" ... must be tough. Cheers, Barney.

Yep, must be the age.... yes, and have to agree it is the lesser of 2 evils providing it doesnt get excessive! Unless they also think they can drive! Touch wood they all seem protective of keeping their P licence.
It was worse when the older son was able to drive on a full licence, which means they can actually consume alcohol and drive! And getting that right. Then I was thinking 'zero tolerance' but then almost no-one would be left with a licence!

Cheers Barney!