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I think the media should be held to account... what do you think?

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MovingAverage said:
You know that’s not the point I’m trying to make so I’m not sure why you keep pushing it. Please go back and have a long hard read of my OP and tell me where I’m objecting to quoting the PM.
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OMG, you began with this, "... personally I am completely over the outrageous and sensationalist headlines being trotted by our poor excuses for what is passed off as media."
You are miffed by the ABC using the PM's exact words in a reply to a question about people's job prospects and Centrelink benefits.
You were unable to find the context of PM's words, and still refuse this point.
It is you who have sensationalised sound journalism, not the other way around.
I regard people like you as incompetent, and indicative of the mentality that leads to what has indeed been "sensationalised," like fights over toilet rolls.
I trust that when you trade on the stock market you do much better research.
 
rederob said:
I regard people like you as incompetent, and indicative of the mentality that leads to what has indeed been "sensationalised," like fights over toilet rolls.
I trust that when you trade on the stock market you do much better research.
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Hmmm....so now you resort to personal insults. One day you'll have to tell me about the burden you carry for being such an intellectual giant. Your post reminded me of the saying "Insults are the last resort of insecure people with a crumbling position"

How many times do I have to explain to you despite having said it on many occasions...I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH USING THE PMs EXACT WORDS OR REAL FACTS BEING REPORTED...hopefully my use of caps will get my message through. I'm objecting to journalists PUTTING THEIR SPIN (OR AS YOU CALL IT COMMENTARY) ON THINGS.

Given your highly defensive response you'll have to forgive me for thinking you work in the media.
 
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MovingAverage said:
Hmmm....so now you resort to personal insults. One day you'll have to tell me about the burden you carry for being such an intellectual giant. Your post reminded me of the saying "Insults are the last resort of insecure people with a crumbling position"

How many times do I have to explain to you despite having said it on many occasions...I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH USING THE PMs EXACT WORDS OR REAL FACTS BEING REPORTED...hopefully my use of caps will get my message through. I'm objecting to journalists PUTTING THEIR SPIN (OR AS YOU CALL IT COMMENTARY) ON THINGS.

Given your highly defensive response you'll have to forgive me for thinking you work in the media.
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I said you are incompetent in this matter, and I continue to base it on what I have linked to.
Despite numerous posts showing the context was appropriate, you are claiming it as "spin" and sensationalism.
In your eyes the very real threat of people who have never previously faced unemployment having to front Centrelink should not be a lead line to the article. Yet it was about the PM's reply to a question on this very matter.
Furthermore you are actually outraged by the use of the PM's words, contrary to what you have claimed.
Back in the 80's I used to help write the Employment Ministers Media Releases so I have a pretty good idea of what spin is. The ABC didn't even come close.
Do better research and get a grip on the concept of context.
 
JJADV said:
Criminal.. really.. what planet are you on.. They walk a fine line of controlling the hysteria of the plebs, controlling the situation and trying to have an economy on the other sine.. what would you do Einstein??
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Eh i found an Einstein !!!!
https://www.news.com.au/finance/eco...o/news-story/fefb6eb8a17608202d704b40bb4e2dff
Could be instructive for many
The choice is here.i like Tasmania, far less my home state Qld
This is what journalism should be
Explain the options to the many, as proven here, who do not understand or are not aware of them
We are VERY lucky to be able to leverage previous experiences, many did not get that luck, let's not waste it
 
rederob said:
Back in the 80's I used to help write the Employment Ministers Media Releases
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I’m done trying to make my point to you and will leave it here with you as you clearly keep insisting my posts are about something they are not, but I guess that is your experience with spin kicking in. I think there’s a saying about the dangers of arguing with a certain type of person—you shouldn’t do it because they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. I will admit one thing I was wrong on, I had you pegged as working for the Daily Tele, but clearly you proved me wrong with your government experience—that’s a much more noble pursuit.
 
qldfrog said:
Eh i found an Einstein !!!!
https://www.news.com.au/finance/eco...o/news-story/fefb6eb8a17608202d704b40bb4e2dff
Could be instructive for many
The choice is here.i like Tasmania, far less my home state Qld
This is what journalism should be
Explain the options to the many, as proven here, who do not understand or are not aware of them
We are VERY lucky to be able to leverage previous experiences, many did not get that luck, let's not waste it
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Brilliantly simple from John Daley and it's a shame he's not on the PM's team.
Many of us who have been to China and visited cities like Wuhan with around 11 million people would be amazed that the overall number of infections (and subsequent deaths) was not a great deal higher. Especially because they suppressed the problem for well over a month before deciding they needed to act.
I recall many media outlets "sensationalising" the apparently draconian action of authorities to get the virus under control.
On the other hand, here we are in Oz with an almost "she'll be right" attitude if we just do a few things and don't upset people much - sorry about the footy but, hey, they can still play, no probs!
I reckon Captain Mainwaring and Basil Fawlty could have done a better job than Scomo.
 
I think the media should be held to account... what do you think?

Yes - The media should be held accountable for under-utilising their large/effective platform and underplaying the risk posed to Australia. I'm not seeing the level of corporate or individual action truly needed to stop the rapid exponential spread of the disease, which would ultimately overwhelm the Australian health care system. This may partly be due to the fact that time lapsed exponential growth is fundamentally hard to grasp OR that the economy is more valuable than lives.

The major problems we are facing due to this virus:
  1. Almost 2.5 times more contagious and 30 times more fatal than the common seasonal flu
  2. A huge number of infected will require hospitalisation at the same time (estimated hospitalisation rates are between 15-20% of infected)
  3. Australia's hospital bed capacity is very very limited (we are only slightly above WHO recommendations - have a look at how we compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds) - for some of the sick there will be no safety net
  4. If you do get sick, you will be separated from your family and you could potential die a lonely death (family separation during these times should be avoided at all costs)
Personally I have pushed the nuclear button (been in Isolation since Tuesday 17/03/20) - due to my personal calculation findings (bed capacity vs spread rate). I have found that the health system in my city of residence, could potentially be overwhelmed in less than 2 weeks from now. Hence, if I contract the disease now and I add the average incubation period, plus the delayed onset of pneumonia, I could potentially be requiring treatment in a very very strained hospital system.

My recommendation to my extended family is simple - the window for action is closing, it's time to lock yourselves in - if your employer is unwilling or unable to allow you to work from home, then stay home and use your sick/annual leave.

My plan is to monitor the exponential growth (whilst being in isolation) for the next two weeks and to see if the path I predicted plays out - if there is a large reduced deviation I will reconsider my current stance.

This is a 1 in a 100 year event - please respect it.

(The above writing is my personal opinion only - Not to be used as advice)
 
MovingAverage said:
I think there’s a saying about the dangers of arguing with a certain type of person—you shouldn’t do it because they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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The reality here is that others will be much better judges.
The other reality is you refuse to acknowledge you could not find the context of the article's lead, and blatantly lied when you capitalised "I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH USING THE PMs EXACT WORDS OR REAL FACTS BEING REPORTED" as from your initial post you were, in your own words, "completely over the outrageous and sensationalist headlines."
 
rederob said:
The reality here is that others will be much better judges.
The other reality is you refuse to acknowledge you could not find the context of the article's lead, and blatantly lied when you capitalised "I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH USING THE PMs EXACT WORDS OR REAL FACTS BEING REPORTED" as from your initial post you were, in your own words, "completely over the outrageous and sensationalist headlines."
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I can't believe you're not letting this go. Your dog with a bone approach really has me thinking you're a card carrying member of the ALP.
 
MovingAverage said:
Please enlighten me because my memory fails me at the moment...what propaganda is it you're suggesting I believe?
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The part of the media who spend most of their time attacking all the other parts of the media and saying anything bad that happens is due to the other media not poor communication by the Government.

The fact you started getting political suggests that.
 
Knobby22 said:
The part of the media who spend most of their time attacking all the other parts of the media and saying anything bad that happens is due to the other media not poor communication by the Government.
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Really...I was hoping you'd give me something better than that. Listen, if you have a beef with the current government take it elsewhere not because I care for the current government but because I just couldn't give a crap--LNP, ALP, Greens etc etc they are all as bad as each other and are equally as embarrassing. You'll be wasting your ALP rhetoric on me so save it for someone that really cares.
 
MovingAverage said:
hahaha...and there it is
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I back up my posts with evidence.
You continued to lie about your claims.
This is a thread you started, and it was "fake news" on your part.
Typical of people who cannot defend their positions with facts, you offered nothing but contradictions and obfuscation.
Worse, you lie about the FACTS and are incapable of acknowledging your inability to determine the context of your remarks, eg you said "When I read that headline I did some digging to find out if he actually said that and I too can’t find anything to suggest that is what he said."
If you are going to start a thread, have the balls to be honest about it.
 
rederob said:
I back up my posts with evidence.
You continued to lie about your claims.
This is a thread you started, and it was "fake news" on your part.
Typical of people who cannot defend their positions with facts, you offered nothing but contradictions and obfuscation.
Worse, you lie about the FACTS and are incapable of acknowledging your inability to determine the context of your remarks, eg you said "When I read that headline I did some digging to find out if he actually said that and I too can’t find anything to suggest that is what he said."
If you are going to start a thread, have the balls to be honest about it.
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You really are starting to venture into flat earth territory now. Fake news, really! Your bully boy ALP approach may work on some but not me. Take a bex, have a lie down and find some LNP fanboys to take out your frustration. You really should see a doctor. Oh for the days of Kevin 07 hey
 
MovingAverage said:
You really are starting to venture into flat earth territory now. Fake news, really! Your bully boy ALP approach may work on some but not me. Take a bex, have a lie down and find some LNP fanboys to take out your frustration. You really should see a doctor
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Yep, no ability to defend your comments with either facts or honesty.
You realise this is exactly the line people like you take on global warming - distraction and obfuscation because you are vacuous.
As I said, have the balls to finish what you started, or don't start to begin, which, in your case would have been the best option.
 
MovingAverage said:
Really...I was hoping you'd give me something better than that. Listen, if you have a beef with the current government take it elsewhere not because I care for the current government but because I just couldn't give a crap--LNP, ALP, Greens etc etc they are all as bad as each other and are equally as embarrassing. You'll be wasting your ALP rhetoric on me so save it for someone that really cares.
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I don't have a beef. Morrison is doing an excellent job so far. Very hopeful he will get us through this like South Korea has got through it.

He has really lifted in my view. The Health Minister and the Treasurer have also impressed.

I think all facets of the media on the whole within Australia are doing a pretty good job also.

The crap causing problems is from the USA. Like that talk show doctor, blaming the media while lying about the facts, hope someone over there sues him.
 
rederob said:
Yep, no ability to defend your comments with either facts or honesty.
You realise this is exactly the line people like you take on global warming - distraction and obfuscation because you are vacuous.
As I said, have the balls to finish what you started, or don't start to begin, which, in your case would have been the best option.
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Man, you really are a persistent mofo. Hardcore ALP so gotta bring in the climate change at any given opportunity. I’m serious when I say this, but you need help dude...serious help. I think you’re a little unhinged. As for having balls to finish what I started...message me and I’ll be more than happy to make some arrangements with you.
 
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