I think the media should be held to account... what do you think?

[Joe Blow]

This thread ceased being about the media a few pages back and has become about COVID-19 more generally. It might be time to move the last few pages of posts across to the COVID-19 discussion thread in General Chat.

 

[frugal.rock]

It's a bit like the economy Joe, a proper mess... a dog's breakfast.

 

[Joe Blow]

OK, I've gutted this thread and moved a lot over to Coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak discussion.

If anyone wants to discuss COVID-19 and the media again, they can still do so in this thread.

 

[sptrawler]

I accidentally switched to the news tonight, an interview was about to commence and it started with, "do we have the leadership we deserve". Well I thought, we have certainly got the media we deserve and changed over to bargain hunt.

 

[MovingAverage]

I accidentally switched to the news tonight, an interview was about to commence and it started with, "do we have the leadership we deserve". Well I thought, we have certainly got the media we deserve and changed over to bargain hunt.

give me bargain hunt any day over the news

 

[Humid]

So much of the media I see is about cafes and hairdressers
We drink coffee and manufacture nothing with Centrelink lines snaking for miles full of casual hospitality workers.
People concerned with educating their children at home for what?
To wait tables?

 

[sptrawler]

Here is a good example of the media and the way they present an article, it is from the highly respected Guardian, I will post the last paragraph as it kind of conflicts with the article.

He has softened his attitude towards the official line, which he said had become much more consistent.
“Last week the government improved the messaging, they brought that national leadership group together, they stabilised,” Swan says. “I don’t necessarily agree with their messaging, but it’s become much more coherent.”
He dismissed calls on social media for him to replace the CMO.
“We have to get rid of the mushroom cloud of Twitter and social media and all that crap and get down to focusing on the business, and that’s what we’ve been doing,” he said.
“I was getting anxious because I was moving so fast and I was scared I’d make a mistake. I’ve made two small errors which I’ve corrected on air.”
He has rationalised his media appearances, and is concentrating on his main gigs as well as 7.30 and RN Breakfast.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...-after-pms-office-intervention-on-coronavirus

 

[MovingAverage]

He dismissed calls on social media for him to replace the CMO.

I find it laughable that some are calling from Swan to replace Murphy. Swan is a career journo and yes he studied medicine way back in the 70's but his medical career is hardly outstanding. Granted Swan may well be a good journo (whatever that means) but on paper Murphy has a far more impressive medical career. I have no idea what it takes to be a good CMO, but I'd rather have Murphy based on his career than Swan.

 

[Knobby22]

100% agree.

Swan is a great journo in the medical field, popular in Canada also. He has a clue. Love his show.

We don't want to be going down the Trump path of putting journalists in leadership positions though. Different skill set.

 

[rederob]

Here is a good example of the media and the way they present an article, it is from the highly respected Guardian, I will post the last paragraph as it kind of conflicts with the article.

Can you please explain what is contradictory.
It's an excellent piece from the Guardian, showing that those critical of the ABC are not particularly competent. For example, it says "Henderson also appeared on Sky News telling Andrew Bolt, another Swan critic, that the ABC health journalist was confusing the message." Whereas Swan was presenting the best available information and continues to do so. The inconsistencies remains with governments - State and federal - who to this day are not acting in concert and have claimed keeping schools open is not a concern.

 

[rederob]

This is the crap the commercial media continues to feed to the public.
Here's a snippet:

Nick Coatsworth (Deputy Chief Medical Officer): And I have to say that the experts around the table of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee do not think that this will be over in weeks, if you put in harder and faster measures. So this is about degrees. We’ve gone hard and fast. To say that we’ve gone light and slow would be completely inaccurate.​

I suppose if you have not followed what has been put in place by nations who now have a low R0 for COVID-19 you might believe Coatsworth. But if you were a disembarking passenger from a flight or cruise ship you would know that was sickeningly false. Until today the federal "rules" were self-enforced - and it's now over 2 months that China led the hard-line with lockdowns. Wuhan today is slowly easing back its restrictive arrangements, while ours are not yet close to what they did.

Here's the measures China has put into place for arrivals; Sky News has more about their recent experience if you want to google.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Gallup Poll ... responses about support for US institutions
(hospitals, HIGHEST ....... through to -> Media, LOWEST)

https://news.gallup.com/poll/300680/coronavirus-response-hospitals-rated-best-news-media-worst.aspx

 

[banco]

This is the crap the commercial media continues to feed to the public.
Here's a snippet:

Nick Coatsworth (Deputy Chief Medical Officer): And I have to say that the experts around the table of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee do not think that this will be over in weeks, if you put in harder and faster measures. So this is about degrees. We’ve gone hard and fast. To say that we’ve gone light and slow would be completely inaccurate.​

I suppose if you have not followed what has been put in place by nations who now have a low R0 for COVID-19 you might believe Coatsworth. But if you were a disembarking passenger from a flight or cruise ship you would know that was sickeningly false. Until today the federal "rules" were self-enforced - and it's now over 2 months that China led the hard-line with lockdowns. Wuhan today is slowly easing back its restrictive arrangements, while ours are not yet close to what they did.

Here's the measures China has put into place for arrivals; Sky News has more about their recent experience if you want to google.

Now, now we are not allowed to criticise the Government and what could Australia possibly have to learn from those rice eaters in Singapore, Taiwan and South Korea where their governments seems to have done a much better job?

 

[sptrawler]

I accidentally switched to the news tonight, an interview was about to commence and it started with, "do we have the leadership we deserve". Well I thought, we have certainly got the media we deserve and changed over to bargain hunt.

Well I see the owners are starting to see sense and strip out their 'news opinion' programme's, it is about time news became news, rather than just another morning or afternoon variety show.
It has become a training ground for aspiring actors to practice their skills, at putting across an interpretation of a event, it will be sadly missed by many. Just my opinion.
https://www.theage.com.au/culture/t...l-news-and-on-air-talent-20200921-p55xom.html
From the article:
The most significant and contentious change has been in the news division with a reduction and centralisation of coverage. The weekday 5pm 10 News First bulletins now come only from Sydney and Melbourne. Brisbane and Perth bulletins are broadcast from Sydney, Adelaide receives its news from Melbourne. Almost all the presenting staff in Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide lost their jobs.

The last time I watched commercial news in Perth, it had 5 minutes of local social media, 25 minutes of biased overseas news and 35 minutes of adverts.?

 

[Smurf1976]

Well I see the owners are starting to see sense and strip out their 'news opinion' programme's, it is about time news became news, rather than just another morning or afternoon variety show.

A lot of it's really just marketing.

Some celebrity comes on for an interview because, no surprise here, they're touring or their book's about to be released or whatever.

Same with the print media. No idea how much Kmart pays for those "articles" to be written but it isn't news by any reasonable definition of the term.

Radio I can see surviving a very long time but the days of newspapers and FTA TV are very much numbered in my view.

 

[frugal.rock]

And then you have David Speers on the ABC
He is a one man "interuptor"

He goes fishing for the answer he wants to hear and if that's not what he's hearing, interrupting with a different angled question.

It's downright disgusting as he also looks like Dictator Dan.

 

[MovingAverage]

And then you have David Speers on the ABC
He is a one man "interuptor"

He goes fishing for the answer he wants to hear and if that's not what he's hearing, interrupting with a different angled question.

It's downright disgusting as he also looks like Dictator Dan.

I’ve stopped watching Insiders since Speers started hosting. His interviewing style is so overtly agenda driven with loaded questioning. Drives me nuts

 

[SirRumpole]

Speers is certainly annoying with interruptions but on the other hand people don't answer questions they just give a a spiel from the Party hmyn book.

"Has Treasury modelled the effects of a reduction in Jobseeker payments" was a simple question that Morrison did his best not to answer and Speers rightly pursued it.

 

[frugal.rock]

"Has Treasury modelled the effects of a reduction in Jobseeker payments" was a simple question that Morrison did his best not to answer and Speers rightly pursued it.

I watched it.

Is the PM treasury?
What else does the treasury do apart from modelling?

Some questions are just downright freakin dumb from the onset....

 

[basilio]

Is the PM treasury?
What else does the treasury do apart from modelling?

Some questions are just downright freakin dumb from the onset....

Er

The question of the (obvious) effects of reduction in job seeker (unemployment) payments is absolutely critical in terms of economic fallout with COVID. There are still hundreds of thousands of recent and earlier people without work or income.

It would be front and centre of the government budget and cabinet deliberations.

So the question is absolutely on line and should be asked, should be answered and should be followed up if the PM ignored it.