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Uncle
So basically most Superannuation is a joke!
Currently 99% of people have no hope in hell of making time let alone getting ahead!
hello,
to the average home owner living in their home, the issue of inflation is irrelevant
even most property investors couldnt care less about inflation, it makes no difference
thankyou
robots
In respect of the majority of property investors they "couldnt care less about inflation" mainly because they are generally financially illiterate.
My personal concern is simply that most people ultimately lose from inflation. And inflation is exactly what the property boom is all about - INFLATION.Would I be correct in thinking that a lot of you infact took krisbarry's advice a few year's back and did not buy property and missed the boat so to speak.
Personally, I'm invested in things that are quite profitable. Certainly doing better than real estate has done over the past 4 years. My concern is thus for the social and broader economic damage the housing situation will bring rather than any missing of boats. I suspect at least some others will be thinking likewise.
That said, I'm actually about to purchase some real estate. Just one house, to live in, but real estate nonetheless. And guess what? The last thing I want to happen after I buy is another boom. Do the sums, think about it and you'll know why (hint - I'm not about to be a "last home seller", real estate agent, developer or government).
hello,
things are rollin' on nicely, 89% clearance in Melb over the weekend
hot hot hot, the rises people are experiencing is awesome
think a lot of the money is coming from family, inheritance, wills etc
with many couples purchasing existing property as opposed to a new house in new estate
look forward to the future
thankyou
robots
Exactly!nice ramp robots...
happened to be checking out the homepriceguide sales from the weekend as well.....and of the 16 houses listed for auction.... 14 sold, so yes that would make a clearance rate of 88%. I have no idea why there were so few houses listed - but its hardly statistically relevant, and hardly time to start calling for another boom
I'm not saying prices have to go down, but lets not kid ourselves what the boom has been driven on.... debt. Not income, not productivity, good old 100% no doc, low doc heaven and low interest rates.... sure prices can rise, theoretically until 100% of our income goes to interest payments...
If you think the US is the only one with a problem, think again
The answer is simply that I'm not expecting to be a net seller of real estate for a long time to come. If I chose to trade up to a better property in 10 years time then I would be worse off if prices had risen.I honestly don't understand your last comment about not wanting your property to go up in value as the same annalogy can be used for stock.
but lets not kid ourselves what the boom has been driven on.... debt. Not income, not productivity, good old 100% no doc, low doc heaven and low interest rates....
How, exactly, does the average family that just wants a roof over their head gain from higher prices? I can see how the banks, developers, builders, real estate agents and governments gain. But how does the home buyer gain? They buy the same house but pay more for it and then they pay interest on a higher debt.
Personally, I'm invested in things that are quite profitable. Certainly doing better than real estate has done over the past 4 years. My concern is thus for the social and broader economic damage the housing situation will bring rather than any missing of boats. I suspect at least some others will be thinking likewise.
I profoundly disagree with this and think blaming low interest rates and lending standards for this boom will cause you to miss some of the actual factors that drove the boom. The factors you mention, particularly the lower lending standards, came in much later and have helped the banks keep the ball rolling and have probably turned the situation into a Ponzi scheme we see now...but at the beginning it wasn't this.
And if you want to talk about low lending standards, take a look at how Steve McKnight made a fortune in the late 90's early 2000's lending to people that the banks refused to give credit to at 2-3% above the fixed bank rate. I believe low-doc loans arrived in response to "wrappers" like McKnight, BTW, but thats another story.
Children of the baby boomers reaching some level of maturity and entering the work force and then buying houses started the property boom back in the mid-to-late 90s.
People say that through supply/demand economics population increases ought to drive house price rises. But we also know that our population hasn't doubled when house prices did. What can and I believe did happen is that the internal demographics of the population changed around the mid-90s. The 2.3 kids that each baby boomer produced became 2.3 extra property owners. This is a situation of supply outstripping demand. Yes, interest rates made the fruit low enough to pick, but it wasn't the core driving force.
Then you have the PC and Internet revolution making many people very rich. Low interest rates also encourages money out of savings into investment or consumption eg. buy a new PC, a big screen TV, the new Commodore, house to live in, an investment property etc. "dotcom" was a bubble in the end...but there was also real actual wealth created. Hard to differentiate the two or even determine the proportions, but it was real. Income, therefore, also drove property prices into the late 90's and early 2000's. In inner and middle suburbs initially, where the IT consultants, and the business owners and the finance people lived...then the outer suburbs and apartments when they all started buying investment properties to save tax (remember, the 48.5% tax rate kicked in at $50k back then...you had to invest in property or give away nearly half your income in tax).
Then you had income tax cuts, a rising share market, skilled labour market shortages due to commodity price led mining boom, and subsequent wage increases in many core and ancillary industries...all this means more disposable income in the hands of people who want to buy property.
With standard variable rates up around 8% in Australia surely you have to find a few more good reasons why property is still going up??
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