Has the 100 year Jihad (war) begun ... ???

[SirRumpole]

that actually gave a real resonance in Indonesia about the restoration of a Muslim government that everybody had hoped and dreamed of,

Who is "everbody" in this context ? Everybody in Indonesia ?

I doubt it. I think most Indonesians are happy with their relatively secular democracy without the likes of ISIL coming in.

 

[Chris45]

I think most Indonesians are happy with their relatively secular democracy without the likes of ISIL coming in.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil (ie ISIL) is that good men (ie secular muslims) do nothing.

They take to the streets in droves over cartoons, arrests, etc. but are very quiet over the actions of the murderous extremists. Now it's starting to make sense why.

 

[noco]

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil (ie ISIL) is that good men (ie secular muslims) do nothing.

They take to the streets in droves over cartoons, arrests, etc. but are very quiet over the actions of the murderous extremists. Now it's starting to make sense why.

INTIMIDATION AND FEAR.

The "peaceful moderates" are frighten to speak out and condemn the radicals and street demonstrations for fear of their lives.

 

[Chris45]

INTIMIDATION AND FEAR.

The "peaceful moderates" are frighten to speak out and condemn the radicals and street demonstrations for fear of their lives.

Yep! Intimidation and fear of the murderous extremists who believe that the Arab Spring signals that the prophecies of their Mohammed are coming true, and so their Islamic Antichrist will soon appear in this Islamic version of Armageddon and lead them to victory over the evil infidels (that's the rest of us) so they can rule the world, or what's left of it, and create their vision of paradise on Earth, Taliban style.

I bet even the "peaceful moderates" believe this, which is another reason why they don't speak out.

And we're being forced by our stupid socialists to sit back and allow them to migrate/seek refuge here, because we're a "compassionate and tolerant multicultural society". They're out-reproducing us by a factor of 4 or 5 and their numbers are growing rapidly.

If the crazy extremists get their hands on nuclear weapons, ... God help us!!!

 

[dutchie]

University of NSW strategic expert Alan Dupont:


I think that for some time most of our elites have failed to understand what we are confronting. This is not some terrorist group attempting what terrorists usually try to do. This is part of a global struggle between the forces of fundamentalism and the forces of tolerance and cosmopolitanism. It is a contest of ideas. It is a generational struggle like the Cold War. This conflict is only going to get worse. We will be fighting this for another 20 years.


(my bolds)


Our first weapon, as a minimum, to fight this war is to stop all muslim immigration, starting today.

 

[noco]

University of NSW strategic expert Alan Dupont:


I think that for some time most of our elites have failed to understand what we are confronting. This is not some terrorist group attempting what terrorists usually try to do. This is part of a global struggle between the forces of fundamentalism and the forces of tolerance and cosmopolitanism. It is a contest of ideas. It is a generational struggle like the Cold War. This conflict is only going to get worse. We will be fighting this for another 20 years.


(my bolds)


Our first weapon, as a minimum, to fight this war is to stop all muslim immigration, starting today.

+1...I fully agree....Rudd/.Gillard let in 50,000 in just 5 years.

We now have 500,000 living in Australia and in my mind that is 500,000 too many.

Most of them came here legally or were born here and we were good enough to give them freedom of the country, but unfortunately we did not spell out what we expected of them......we expected them to assimilate and not congregate in their own communities......we expected to abide by our laws and not their own Sharia law.

I have been saying for a long time, moderate Muslims are controllable in small but once they increase their numbers you will see them starting to show some muscle......accusing us of not upholding their rights and if we speak out against their behavior, we are racists and bigots....their demonstration this week is living proof of what is to come.

They have been infiltrating into the Western World for years and their sole aim is for world domination and they will do it with intimidation and fear and that is plain to see by all....They give Christians and infidels two choices, convert to Islam or be killed.

It will happen one day, kill or be killed.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...als-police-claim/story-fnihsrf2-1227064642900

 

[Craton]

+1...I fully agree....Rudd/.Gillard let in 50,000 in just 5 years.

We now have 500,000 living in Australia and in my mind that is 500,000 too many.

Most of them came here legally or were born here and we were good enough to give them freedom of the country, but unfortunately we did not spell out what we expected of them......we expected them to assimilate and not congregate in their own communities......we expected to abide by our laws and not their own Sharia law.

I have been saying for a long time, moderate Muslims are controllable in small but once they increase their numbers you will see them starting to show some muscle......accusing us of not upholding their rights and if we speak out against their behavior, we are racists and bigots....their demonstration this week is living proof of what is to come.

They have been infiltrating into the Western World for years and their sole aim is for world domination and they will do it with intimidation and fear and that is plain to see by all....They give Christians and infidels two choices, convert to Islam or be killed.

It will happen one day, kill or be killed.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...als-police-claim/story-fnihsrf2-1227064642900

Unfortunately I saw this happening when living in Sydney between '81/91. Living in Belmore just around the corner from Lakemba Police Station and when walking down the main drag of Lakemba; seeing the burqa and the suspicious eyes of the males, me and my family felt very uncomfortable. I tried to dismiss the feeling but I've come to learn to trust my gut instinct. Events since then have proved I had cause to feel unnerved and uneasy.

Seeing mosques being built I thought, OK, OK, freedom of religion and all. Our governing bodies must know what their doing. Surely?

When our law makers recognized the Church of Scientology as a religion I realized my error and made me think otherwise. Hence, I totally agree that our authorities have not taken the threat to our way of life from Islam seriously enough in the beginning. Now that they have, I hope it isn't too late because the only alternative is to kill, or be killed.

Perhaps I'm a little biased but as a first generation Aussie, I'm am very patriotic. I love this sunburnt land and any threat to our lucky country is a threat to me, my family, my friends and my way of life so any threat, I take very, very seriously indeed. Yes, to the point where I'd put my life on the line!

FWIW and speaking of a 100yr war. The Battle of Broken Hill approaches the century of the only act of hostility on Australian soil during WWI.

Extract from here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Broken_Hill

The Battle of Broken Hill was a fatal incident which took place near Broken Hill, New South Wales, Australia on 1 January 1915. Two men shot dead four people and wounded seven more, before being killed by police and military officers. While the attack was politically and religiously inspired, as declared by the perpetrators in notes, the men were not members of any sanctioned armed force and the attacks were criminal. The two men were later identified as being Moslems from the British colony of India, modern day Pakistan (some sources incorrectly identify them as Turkish).

The assailants
The attackers were both former camel-drivers working at Broken Hill. They were Badsha Mahommed Gool (born c. 1874[3]), an ice-cream vendor, and Mullah Abdullah (born c. 1854[4]), a local imam and halal butcher.

Gool's ice-cream cart was well known in town and was used to transport the men to the attack site.[1][5] They also fashioned a home-made Ottoman flag which they flew. There appears to have been little effort made at hiding their identities.

Abdullah had arrived in Broken Hill around 1898 and worked as a camel driver, before becoming a mullah and slaughtering animals according to halal Islamic rites in contravention of the law. Several days before the killings Mullah Adbullah was convicted by Police Court for slaughtering sheep on premises not licensed for slaughter. It was not his first offence.[6] Since the sanitary inspector, Mr. Brosnan, acting to enforce the municipal regulations, observed that the unauthorised slaughter was insanitary, he acted to enforce the law. In addition, Abdullah had ceased wearing his turban years before, "since the day some larrikin threw stones at me, and I did not like it".

Picnic train targeted
Each New Year's Day the local lodge of the Manchester Unity Order of Oddfellows held a picnic at Silverton. The train from Broken Hill to Silverton was crowded with 1200 picnickers on 40 open ore trucks. Three kilometres out of town, Gool and Abdullah positioned themselves on an embankment located about 30 metres from the tracks. As the train passed they opened fire with two rifles, discharging 20 to 30 shots.

The picnickers initially thought that the shots were being discharged in honour of the train's passing, but once their companions started falling, the reality sank in.

 

[noco]

How the Arabs have tried to destroy Israel since 1946 and are continuing to this day.



Explained simply and impartially

This issue bought to light at last. And worth sending on!

http://www.prageruniversity.com/Political-Science/Middle-East-Problem.html#.U9egVdq9KSP

This is the problem indeed!
The problem is within the Muslim faith.
Islam is a religion of HATE, not peace.
Their notion of peace translates to our notion of subjugation or submission by force.

THIS is why the middle-east peace process never gets anywhere.
We must NEVER trust Islam.
We must never cease loving muslims out of their faith.
If we attack hatefully or respond weakly (politically correct) this fulfils their religions view of us,
and encourages them to hate and attack us.
We need to be strong in love and the rule of our moral law.
(They don’t have moral law anything like ours. No 10 Commandments, no beatitudes, no “do to others as you would have them do to you.”)

 

[luutzu]

Now that we're all thoroughly scared, music please....




I think with the exception of Battlefield:LA, we all lost these wars.

 

[luutzu]

How the Arabs have tried to destroy Israel since 1946 and are continuing to this day.



Explained simply and impartially

This issue bought to light at last. And worth sending on!

http://www.prageruniversity.com/Political-Science/Middle-East-Problem.html#.U9egVdq9KSP

This is the problem indeed!
The problem is within the Muslim faith.
Islam is a religion of HATE, not peace.
Their notion of peace translates to our notion of subjugation or submission by force.

THIS is why the middle-east peace process never gets anywhere.
We must NEVER trust Islam.
We must never cease loving muslims out of their faith.
If we attack hatefully or respond weakly (politically correct) this fulfils their religions view of us,
and encourages them to hate and attack us.
We need to be strong in love and the rule of our moral law.
(They don’t have moral law anything like ours. No 10 Commandments, no beatitudes, no “do to others as you would have them do to you.”)

Come on Noco, Islam considers Moses and Jesus Christ as prophets... Muhammad is just the last of God's Prophet.
A lecture I heard said that Muhammad and the Koran greatly admire Moses and Christ, it just doesn't believe Christ to be the son of God nor Moses... whatever Moses was to Judaism.

All three religions worship the exact same God.

It's hard to be that different when you worship the same deity, originate from the same region.

So why do you and others see these three major religions as so different? Politics, money, power... not the religion itself.

 

[luutzu]

Unfortunately I saw this happening when living in Sydney between '81/91. Living in Belmore just around the corner from Lakemba Police Station and when walking down the main drag of Lakemba; seeing the burqa and the suspicious eyes of the males, me and my family felt very uncomfortable. I tried to dismiss the feeling but I've come to learn to trust my gut instinct. Events since then have proved I had cause to feel unnerved and uneasy.

Seeing mosques being built I thought, OK, OK, freedom of religion and all. Our governing bodies must know what their doing. Surely?

When our law makers recognized the Church of Scientology as a religion I realized my error and made me think otherwise. Hence, I totally agree that our authorities have not taken the threat to our way of life from Islam seriously enough in the beginning. Now that they have, I hope it isn't too late because the only alternative is to kill, or be killed.

Perhaps I'm a little biased but as a first generation Aussie, I'm am very patriotic. I love this sunburnt land and any threat to our lucky country is a threat to me, my family, my friends and my way of life so any threat, I take very, very seriously indeed. Yes, to the point where I'd put my life on the line!

FWIW and speaking of a 100yr war. The Battle of Broken Hill approaches the century of the only act of hostility on Australian soil during WWI.

Extract from here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Broken_Hill

Genuine leadership, the kind of leadership that care for its subjects well being... that kind of leadership does not in any way frighten its subject. It would go about silently its duty to protect its people, making sure they do not know about the threats that keep them up at night.

What did Franklin Roosevelt say to the American people after Pearl Harbour? We can be harm at any time? All you need to harm Americans is a knife and an American?

He tell them that "the only thing to fear is fear itself" right?

But I guess good politicians know what people are thinking and simply say and do things the people would say and do anyway... that's what good "leadership" is.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Interesting reading about the Muslim conquests of 7th century which is now being attempted in the modern world.

 

[noco]

Come on Noco, Islam considers Moses and Jesus Christ as prophets... Muhammad is just the last of God's Prophet.
A lecture I heard said that Muhammad and the Koran greatly admire Moses and Christ, it just doesn't believe Christ to be the son of God nor Moses... whatever Moses was to Judaism.

All three religions worship the exact same God.

It's hard to be that different when you worship the same deity, originate from the same region.

So why do you and others see these three major religions as so different? Politics, money, power... not the religion itself.

One has the radical interpretation of killing. beheading, torture. intimidation and fear if you are not prepared to convert.....This one is not religion but political with the ultimate aim of world domination......they use religion as a front.

I do not know the other two religions you refer to but I am sure any sane person with any common sense would not place them in the same category as Islam.

 

[luutzu]

One has the radical interpretation of killing. beheading, torture. intimidation and fear if you are not prepared to convert.....This one is not religion but political with the ultimate aim of world domination......they use religion as a front.

I do not know the other two religions you refer to but I am sure any sane person with any common sense would not place them in the same category as Islam.

I reckon i'm quite sane. But point is, it's just a fact that Islam, Judaism, Christianity all worship the exact same God. They just call Him by different name - in their own language. So it's Allah, It's God, or Jehovah [?]... all the same God.

There's a separate thread to discuss religion... let's talk about this new wave of anti terror and a century war on the Jihadis.

We're already losing this war.

Unless we, the West, are willing to nuke and wipe out some 1.4 Billion Muslims... that or get out of the Middle East, this war is not going to end and the American Empire and its allies will collapse or disintegrate long before that war is ever going to end.

All empires throughout history collapse because it goes bankrupt... either through its inability to collect taxes, something the US is finding harder and harder to do since Reagan some 30 years ago... or find its military overstretched and cannot find the money to finance its outposts and armed forces.

We are doing what Bin Laden had planned and prayed we would do... so while it feels good to kick down doors and invade countries and bomb the bad guys to feel safe, we ought to pick our battles, know our limits.

One of the smartest thing the Roman emperor Augustus did was to draw the boundaries of the Roman Empire. He lost 3 Roman legions to a Germanic tribe/s in a couple of battles... with some 20 or 25 more legions around the empire, he surely could bring hell to avenge them but instead chose to draw up the empire's boundaries and extend it no further.

The IS, with its horrific beheading of Westerners, is practically begging us to come on over. And we're too happy to oblige.

Bin Laden's 9/11 terror attack literally picks a fight and lure us into the Middle East with open wars of invasion... 14 years, some 5 Trillion US dollars, millions of civilian deaths and countless destructions on their land, thousands of our own families losing loved ones... then the drone strikes that brought 24/7 terror to just about every Arabs in just about every Arab countries... are we going to win this war? We certainly are not winning hearts and minds.

We ought to reconsider whether the gains from oil, the strategic geopolitical objectives of us staying in the ME... whether doing so is still to our national interests in the long term. Our leadership seem to think it is... maybe they're right... just I'm not so sure the we can afford the treasure to pay for it, afford that and have reserves to confront potential nuclear-powered, organised and fully militarised nation-states literally in our neighbourhood.

As rich and as powerful as we are, the West is in relative decline since the end of WW2. India is getting richer, so is China, Japan has long ago recovered from its destruction in WW2, Russia is still a major world power, Brazil is also growing rich and powerful, most South American countries are slowly rising and no longer under US/Western control... all of them have people who need to be fed and energy to warm their homes and power their cars.

We, the West, spent some $5 trillions, officially, on two wars; spending hundreds of billions to secure our ports and planes; spending hundreds of millions per year increasing security presence and show of force on our own home soil... these few billions add up to real money.

Does it make us safer from the declared enemy like ISIS and Arab terrorists?

So believe in the BS from our politicians about us and them, about them hating us because of our freedom and way of life.... do so if you want. Just be mindful of the consequences to both our own liberty and our national survival when a couple of of giants starts to flex its nuclear, aircraft carrier invasion fleet muscle.

With the current climate in Australia, imagine how hard it is for a Muslim youth to find a job now. Then imagine the hyped up, geared up police and security officers "randomly" asking them questions or check their bags every time they're on a train or walk near a public icon... and one day, one of these youth will snap, our police will snap back with guns loaded, then watch how right and righteous some of the politicians will react and watch how safe we are made to feel with militarised officers on every corner.

 

[Craton]

He tell them that "the only thing to fear is fear itself" right?

Yes, the only thing to fear is fear itself.

Generally that applies to fear of the unknown however, knowing one's life and way of life is at risk and threatened from irrational, ruthless, cold hearted, murderous ideologists that refuse point blank to compromise and that they would rather die than live in peace, what of that then?

No I don't fear these extremists, I feel sorry for the grief they cause, I'm aghast that there appears to be no solution that is peaceful so, the only alternative is conflict. To me that is not a religion, not even a political stand point but rather it is no better than a particularly nasty, narrow minded death wish cult.

Sorry, I don't see a lot being done to allay fears from the followers of Islam. Why?

They are the one's that live in constant fear, fear from within that's why. Yeah, real great way to exist and exist is all they are doing as living by a doctrine that rules by fear, intimidation and disdain for all others, is not living.

 

[Craton]

I reckon i'm quite sane. But point is, it's just a fact that Islam, Judaism, Christianity all worship the exact same God. They just call Him by different name - in their own language. So it's Allah, It's God, or Jehovah [?]... all the same God.

There's a separate thread to discuss religion... let's talk about this new wave of anti terror and a century war on the Jihadis.

We're already losing this war.

Unless we, the West, are willing to nuke and wipe out some 1.4 Billion Muslims... that or get out of the Middle East, this war is not going to end and the American Empire and its allies will collapse or disintegrate long before that war is ever going to end.

All empires throughout history collapse because it goes bankrupt... either through its inability to collect taxes, something the US is finding harder and harder to do since Reagan some 30 years ago... or find its military overstretched and cannot find the money to finance its outposts and armed forces.

We are doing what Bin Laden had planned and prayed we would do... so while it feels good to kick down doors and invade countries and bomb the bad guys to feel safe, we ought to pick our battles, know our limits.

One of the smartest thing the Roman emperor Augustus did was to draw the boundaries of the Roman Empire. He lost 3 Roman legions to a Germanic tribe/s in a couple of battles... with some 20 or 25 more legions around the empire, he surely could bring hell to avenge them but instead chose to draw up the empire's boundaries and extend it no further.

The IS, with its horrific beheading of Westerners, is practically begging us to come on over. And we're too happy to oblige.

Bin Laden's 9/11 terror attack literally picks a fight and lure us into the Middle East with open wars of invasion... 14 years, some 5 Trillion US dollars, millions of civilian deaths and countless destructions on their land, thousands of our own families losing loved ones... then the drone strikes that brought 24/7 terror to just about every Arabs in just about every Arab countries... are we going to win this war? We certainly are not winning hearts and minds.

We ought to reconsider whether the gains from oil, the strategic geopolitical objectives of us staying in the ME... whether doing so is still to our national interests in the long term. Our leadership seem to think it is... maybe they're right... just I'm not so sure the we can afford the treasure to pay for it, afford that and have reserves to confront potential nuclear-powered, organised and fully militarised nation-states literally in our neighbourhood.

As rich and as powerful as we are, the West is in relative decline since the end of WW2. India is getting richer, so is China, Japan has long ago recovered from its destruction in WW2, Russia is still a major world power, Brazil is also growing rich and powerful, most South American countries are slowly rising and no longer under US/Western control... all of them have people who need to be fed and energy to warm their homes and power their cars.

We, the West, spent some $5 trillions, officially, on two wars; spending hundreds of billions to secure our ports and planes; spending hundreds of millions per year increasing security presence and show of force on our own home soil... these few billions add up to real money.

Does it make us safer from the declared enemy like ISIS and Arab terrorists?

So believe in the BS from our politicians about us and them, about them hating us because of our freedom and way of life.... do so if you want. Just be mindful of the consequences to both our own liberty and our national survival when a couple of of giants starts to flex its nuclear, aircraft carrier invasion fleet muscle.

With the current climate in Australia, imagine how hard it is for a Muslim youth to find a job now. Then imagine the hyped up, geared up police and security officers "randomly" asking them questions or check their bags every time they're on a train or walk near a public icon... and one day, one of these youth will snap, our police will snap back with guns loaded, then watch how right and righteous some of the politicians will react and watch how safe we are made to feel with militarised officers on every corner.

Interesting points there. By whichever way, us Infidels must be wiped out, isn't that the IS want?

 

[DB008]

What are we doing?


Canadian government begins invalidating passports of citizens who have left to join extremist groups

The government has begun invalidating the passports of Canadians who have left to join extremist groups in Syria and Iraq, Citizenship and Immigration Minister Chris Alexander revealed in an interview on Friday.

The minister told the National Post his department had also revoked the passports of several Canadians who had not yet left the country but who had intended to travel to the volatile region to enlist as foreign fighters.

He would not disclose the number of passports Citizenship and Immigration Canada had revoked over the conflict but said there were “multiple cases.” The government says about 30 Canadians are with extremist groups in Syria and 130 are active elsewhere.

“Yes, I think it’s safe to say that there are cases of revocation of passports involving people who’ve gone to Syria and Iraq already,” Mr. Alexander said. “I just don’t want to get into the numbers, but multiple cases.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/09/20/canadian-government-revoking-passports-of-citizens-trying-to-join-extremist-groups/

 

[luutzu]

Yes, the only thing to fear is fear itself.

Generally that applies to fear of the unknown however, knowing one's life and way of life is at risk and threatened from irrational, ruthless, cold hearted, murderous ideologists that refuse point blank to compromise and that they would rather die than live in peace, what of that then?

No I don't fear these extremists, I feel sorry for the grief they cause, I'm aghast that there appears to be no solution that is peaceful so, the only alternative is conflict. To me that is not a religion, not even a political stand point but rather it is no better than a particularly nasty, narrow minded death wish cult.

Sorry, I don't see a lot being done to allay fears from the followers of Islam. Why?

They are the one's that live in constant fear, fear from within that's why. Yeah, real great way to exist and exist is all they are doing as living by a doctrine that rules by fear, intimidation and disdain for all others, is not living.

I'm saying that from history, if ever there is something real to fear, good leaders hide that fear from its people and quietly get the security issue done. Just like FDR's speech to strengthened and calm a frightened nation.

The only reason to ring alarm bells and risk alerts is when you want to scare the heck out of your people so they wouldn't object or question what you want to do.

Here you have the PM telling the people that we should get on with our lives as normal, but oh yea, our risk level is now HIGH; all it take to commit a terror act is a knife, an iphone and a victim; just a lone wolf... knock down 25 doors at gun point, made 19 arrests [?] but releasing 18 [?]; then salute the troops and wish them godspeed as they fight for freedom, justice and Team Australia against the Muslims.

It's insane that a religion with some 1.4 billion followers, worshipping the same God as you do, now need to explain themselves that they are not criminals, that their religion is peaceful.

I think there's some 800 years of legal precedents regarding presumed innocent until proven guilty... but that Magna Carta... just a piece of paper for those rich landlords and barons and the rights of men like them right?

So I've read that Muslim leaders are trying to ally fears among some Australians... It's shameful that they have to do that because there is something wrong with ourselves and our political leadership when innocent people have to try to convince its own citizens and gov't of its innocence and peaceful intent. I don't think you would find it fair to have to defend your faith or prove you're just as normal as the next White guy - with bills to pay and family to feed and life to live.

How our leadership is conducting its foreign policies is what the ancient Greeks call Hubris - outrageous arrogance.

We seem to think that there are no other threats and we can spend and defend and own, literally, the entire world. That our resources and treasure are limitless... it's not; that we could borrow or print more money and deficits doesn't matter.

How much does the new generation fighter jet costs us? $350 million, each... right? How much does a smart bomb costs? I heard some ten years ago a Tomahawk missile costs $500,000, each; How much does the increased police presence, the extra security measures costs? It's not just a little inconvenience on us right?

I think this is the first time in the history of the world that an alliance of some 26 States, most of whom are the superpower of its days, join together to fight a stateless enemy of some 10 to 30 thousand soldiers/terrorists.

I suppose that if I'm so rich and so powerful, so beloved and believe the world is so benevolent, I'd join these adventures for God and Corporations too.

 

[Wysiwyg]

The only reason to ring alarm bells and risk alerts is when you want to scare the heck out of your people so they wouldn't object or question what you want to do.

Your common theme is :- there is an underlying reason or motive for any action taken. This thinking (as in the above sentence) is delusional. We Australians appreciate the positive work done by the authorities to protect the citizens of Australia. The government has cracked down on motorcycle riding gangs because of organised crime. Obviously not every biker is a criminal and it is disappointing the good apples have to suffer the consequences.

Here you have the PM telling the people that we should get on with our lives as normal, but oh yea, our risk level is now HIGH; all it take to commit a terror act is a knife, an iphone and a victim;

That comment is to encourage people to be vigilante. The whole exercise is to control the risk. Anger is evident from the followers and when people are angry they are capable of doing irrational acts.

just a lone wolf... knock down 25 doors at gun point, made 19 arrests [?] but releasing 18 [?]; then salute the troops and wish them godspeed as they fight for freedom, justice and Team Australia against the Muslims.

Knock down every door that has communication with the terrorist wing of Islam. No Mr. Nice Guy required with this mob. The Aussie defence force will be freeing hundreds of thousands of innocent people (see refugees) in this campaign. A campaign which has the free worlds support and participation.

It's insane that a religion with some 1.4 billion followers, worshipping the same God as you do, now need to explain themselves that they are not criminals, that their religion is peaceful.

God worship is in the minority in Australian society and is by choice. The wing of Islam that is not peaceful is the issue and they will be weeded out of our society.

So I've read that Muslim leaders are trying to ally fears among some Australians... It's shameful that they have to do that because there is something wrong with ourselves and our political leadership when innocent people have to try to convince its own citizens and gov't of its innocence and peaceful intent.

There is no shame in allaying any perceived fear. The good guys could also do some house cleaning and weed out the radicals. This would do much toward winning faith back in the communities.

How much does the new generation fighter jet costs us? $350 million, each... right? How much does a smart bomb costs? I heard some ten years ago a Tomahawk missile costs $500,000, each; How much does the increased police presence, the extra security measures costs? It's not just a little inconvenience on us right?

It was only last century that Australia and the rest of the freer world that were capable, defended our shores with huge personal and financial cost. Inconvenient? Only for the Japs of that time.

I think this is the first time in the history of the world that an alliance of some 26 States, most of whom are the superpower of its days, join together to fight a stateless enemy of some 10 to 30 thousand soldiers/terrorists.

Overwhelming condemnation, support and participation.

I suppose that if I'm so rich and so powerful, so beloved and believe the world is so benevolent, I'd join these adventures for God and Corporations too.

Let the Islamic state terrorists continue you reckon?

Finally and most directly. If one does not wish to live a peace orientated life in Australia then there are planes leaving daily to other countries. Get on one and don't come back.

 

[luutzu]

Your common theme is :- there is an underlying reason or motive for any action taken. This thinking (as in the above sentence) is delusional. We Australians appreciate the positive work done by the authorities to protect the citizens of Australia. The government has cracked down on motorcycle riding gangs because of organised crime. Obviously not every biker is a criminal and it is disappointing the good apples have to suffer the consequences.

That comment is to encourage people to be vigilante. The whole exercise is to control the risk. Anger is evident from the followers and when people are angry they are capable of doing irrational acts.Knock down every door that has communication with the terrorist wing of Islam. No Mr. Nice Guy required with this mob. The Aussie defence force will be freeing hundreds of thousands of innocent people (see refugees) in this campaign. A campaign which has the free worlds support and participation.
God worship is in the minority in Australian society and is by choice. The wing of Islam that is not peaceful is the issue and they will be weeded out of our society.
There is no shame in allaying any perceived fear. The good guys could also do some house cleaning and weed out the radicals. This would do much toward winning faith back in the communities.
It was only last century that Australia and the rest of the freer world that were capable, defended our shores with huge personal and financial cost. Inconvenient? Only for the Japs of that time.
Overwhelming condemnation, support and participation.
Let the Islamic state terrorists continue you reckon?

Finally and most directly. If one does not wish to live a peace orientated life in Australia then there are planes leaving daily to other countries. Get on one and don't come back.

Trust me, I'm all for protecting Australia.

Tell me how does the public terror alert system help protect Australia? What does the gov't expect ordinary Australians to do when the system is High or Extreme? Be vigilant? Flood 000s with calls of suspicious looking people? I'm pretty sure all Australians at all times would call authorities when they see something suspicious.

Be alert? How? Start forming neighbourhood watch and put 000 on speed dial as we stay up late and record any strange car plates on our street? Or report some guy's doodling and got him kicked off the plane?

What good are our security agencies and what good are those databases and wiretaps when the public is needed to help out and inform on their neighbours.

I'm just glad Australians are not the gun carrying type... and next time i borrow my dad's van, i'll be sure to not cover any valuables or tools with any blanket or anything.

Try to imagine the consequences when you wound up the public like this, or increasing more "vigilant" in police officers with deadly weapons; add to that the racism and bigotry against an entire community of mostly "good apples"... imagine the possible consequences will you.

What would happen if an overworked, under-trained, fully armed security patrol officer meet an unemployed, discriminated, one-random-search-too-many Muslim kid who decided to scream and swear at said officer. It'll be a riot, literally.


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You think this mission against ISIL is to save refugees? There's more than a few thousand refugees we're locking up right now... i think it's cheaper to free those ones here then to travel to the ME and freeing those other ones. And I am delusional.

It's politics, there's always motives, note plural, involved.

I would even give it to Abbott that he truly believe what he's doing is to our long term national interests, to our security.

As responsible citizens, we ought to wonder a little if these laws and speeches does what it is supposed to do - keeping us safe, keeping us free.

If not, you got to wonder, like real adults do, that being politicians with a limited term in office and long years in retirement... could it be possible that being friendly to big businesses that would lead to cushy consultancy, directorship, hefty speaking fees and book deals... that that potential might cloud some elected representatives' judgment.

We're living in a democracy... it's pretty much the only system that allow that kind of questioning... make the most of it.



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There's no shame in the people explaining themselves... the shame is on us.
Imagine what nice people we are if we force our neighbours to explain why they're peaceful and good like us for no other reason than them being Muslims... wait, we are doing that, and we're not listening to the bs about peaceful faith and Allah right.

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What happen to the British and French empires after WW2? The Sun did set on it right?
Britain either lost or can no longer defend its vast empire.
Egypt, the Middle East, India/Pakistan/Afghanistan, Burma, Malaysia, Singapore, and Australia and the Pacific were pretty much given up to protect themselves.

Why did Britain lost so many of its colonies? Because it decided to set them free?
World War 1 was one war too many; WW2 was another great war started a decade too early for Britain's planners and if it weren't for Hitler's arrogance, most of Europe and the world would be speaking German since.

So chest thumping and kick down doors all we like, just make sure we don't do it and lose our freedom then potentially our sovereignty in the process.

The Sun will always set, just sometime it take longer due to daylight saving.

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Former CIA analyst Michael Scheuer said in one of his interview/lectures: Let them kill each other if that's what they want to do.

We ought to recognise our limits, the limits of our military and resources.

The US alone have spent $5 trillion and all but one year in this new century fighting terror.
The withdrawal from Iraq led to ISIS, and now we're back... this time extending into Syria.

As Scheuer said, in a couple of years the US will be leaving Afghanistan... I don't think the Taliban and other terrorists will just sign up to the electoral lists and start voting.


In 1997, under Clinton, China was "testing" its missiles in the Taiwan Strait... though it did privately warn the US it is only testing the US decided to send in its Aircraft carrier (the George Washington) and have another battle group ready nearby.

China blinked and back off.

Get stuck in the ME for another 5 or 10 years fighting evil terrorists abroad and defend the homeland with eternal vigilance and see if China would easily blink next time around.



Anyway, have spent my allocated quota... better get back to working harder so my tax dollars could keep me safe but my family and yours will have to fork out further co-contribution to see a doctor; get use to road congestions and run down public schools our kids go to.