Has the 100 year Jihad (war) begun ... ???

[DB008]

Islamic State (ISIS) video claims to show beheading of British prisoner, threatens America’s allies

WORLD leaders have reacted with outrage to a new video from the Islamic State showing the beheading of British aid worker David Haines.

British Prime Minister David Cameron released a statement condemning the slaying as “an act of pure evil.”

Cameron confirmed Haines’ death in a statement posted on his official Twitter account after the British Foreign Office had said earlier that it was “working urgently to verify the video.”

Haines is the third Westerner beheaded in recent weeks by the Islamic State group, which has seized vast swaths of territory in Syria and Iraq.

http://www.news.com.au/world/islamic-state-isis-video-claims-to-show-beheading-of-british-prisoner-threatens-americas-allies/story-fndir2ev-1227057904652

 

[DB008]

More beheadings to come...

As many as 20 Westerners are being held hostage by ISIS: report

The jihadis who cut off the head of American photographer James Foley are imprisoning up to 20 Westerners, including journalist Steven Sotloff, who has been threatened with decapitation by the same man who killed Foley.

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria is holding several aid workers hostage after kidnapping them in Syria. Believed to be among that group are Vanessa Marzullo, 21, and Greta Ramelli, 20, both from Italy, The Telegraph of Britain reported.

The International Committee of the Red Cross says three of its workers were kidnapped in October and are being held by the terrorists.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/20-westerners-held-hostage-article-1.1913480

 

[Julia]

Aid workers! No further evidence is required as to the lack of any moral principle by this terrorist organisation.
They could not be further demeaning their own cause if they tried.

 

[noco]

Terrorism in the making on our home soil......head quarters in West Sydney.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...rocket-launchers/story-fnii5s41-1227058405350

 

[Julia]

It seems to me very disingenous of George Brandis to suggest that Australia's becoming actively involved in Iraq and potentially Syria will not increase the risk of attacks here.

I actually agreed with Christine Milne's suggestion that - in participating in such involvement - we are succumbing to the goading of ISIS with their internet beheadings etc.

But at the same time, the government has a sound point in believing we need to play our part in attempting to stop the spread of this fanatical behaviour.

Seems like a no win situation whatever Australia were to do.
Any thoughts from others?

 

[noco]

It seems to me very disingenous of George Brandis to suggest that Australia's becoming actively involved in Iraq and potentially Syria will not increase the risk of attacks here.

I actually agreed with Christine Milne's suggestion that - in participating in such involvement - we are succumbing to the goading of ISIS with their internet beheadings etc.

But at the same time, the government has a sound point in believing we need to play our part in attempting to stop the spread of this fanatical behaviour.

Seems like a no win situation whatever Australia were to do.
Any thoughts from others?

Well Christine Milne would say that because of her ideology......she is against Israel for a start.

She was more than happy to let the flow of Muslims in Australia and I always said that if there were 1 in a 100 of those who were terrorist, that would one too many and by gee we are seeing it now.

It is better to counter ISIL on foreign grounds than to wait for them to get too bigger foot hold in Australia.
This barbaric lot must be stopped or curtailed at all costs and it is good to see so many Arab states joining in the coalition.

 

[DB008]

Crisis Averted

Anti-terror operation in Sydney and Brisbane 'thwarted' beheading plot

Police say a large-scale anti-terrorism raid in Sydney this morning has foiled a plot to "commit violent acts" in Australia, including a plan to behead a member of the public.

More than 800 officers launched the raids as part of Operation Appleby in suburbs across Sydney's west and north-west, with a further 70 police involved in raids on properties in Brisbane's south.

Police said 15 people had been detained in Sydney as part of the operation between NSW officers, the Australian Federal Police and ASIO.

Religion of Peace hey?

 

[Julia]

DB, might be good to also post the above on the "Religion is Crazy" thread where there is some (very limited) discussion of this.

 

[noco]

Those sleeping logs among the moderate "peaceful" Muslims are coming to life...their feathers have been ruffled with the latest round up of terror suspects in Brisbane and Sydney and the remnants are gathering to fight back....The Muslim leader is already demanding that all Muslims in Australia should stand together and demonstrate their dislike for the events of yesterday.....If there are some radicals still on the lose out there, they won't need a second invitation to carry out an attack on Parliament house or some MP.

I say round them all up and ship them back to where they came from....if we don't take some action now it will be too late...Gillard will be laughing her head off after allowing 50,000 to enter 2008/2013...her modus operandi was to create dissension and division in our community.

I have been harping on this for the past couple of years now, Islam want world domination and they will do it with fear, intimidation and hate for Christians and infidels.

Call me a bigot...call me what you like....all I can say is I am sick and tired of Islam...full stop.




https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/25052738/parliament-terror-attack-fears/

 

[Tisme]

I'm guessing all those xenophobic wannabe lairds in the cheap seats still cling to the glory days of the last LNP govt and their tribal elder's words, ‘I certainly don’t want people of that type in Australia’ ala John Howard.

Apparently under Abbott's watch the number of Muslim arrivals will begin to increase from 400k to 700k by 2030. Should we be asking ourselves why the Abbott govt is increasing the intake?

It's obvious from the following data that the major terrorist nest threatening our fair shores is in a little place in the Pacific called Australia ... damn you Australia.


The following lists the countries of origin of Muslim people in Australia:
Australia: 36%
Lebanon: 10%
Turkey: 8.5%
Bosnia-Herzegovina: 4.0%
Afghanistan: 3.5%
Pakistan: 3.2%
Indonesia: 2.9%
Iraq: 2.8%
Bangladesh: 2.7%
Iran: 2.3%
Fiji: 2.0%




2012–13 offshore visa grants by top ten countries of birth Countries Number of visas granted
Iraq 4064
Afghanistan 2431
Myanmar/Burma 2352
Bhutan 1023
Congo (DRC) 489
Iran 471
Somalia 396
Sudan 319
Eritrea 185
Ethiopia 182
Other 603
Total 12 515

 

[noco]

Abbott has a dilemma on his hands.......He wants to be hard on radical Muslims but soft on the "moderate peaceful" Muslims....I believe he would very much like the "moderate peaceful" Muslims to condemn the radicals who are intent on spreading fear in out community, but it is not happening....Instead they are organizing protest rallies and threats of terror on Parliament House and MPs.

The Muslims community should be given the ultimatum.

Are you with us or against in our way of life?.....if you are with us then accept our way of life....if you are against us then go back to where Islam is practiced in your home country,

Are you prepared to accept our laws and government constitution or do you want your own Sharia law?...If you accept out laws of the land, then join us.....if you want Sharia law then go back to your home country and practice there.

I am tired of Islam in the way they are upsetting our country and the rest of the world.....I am sick and tired of hearing about the cost to the taxpayer of trying to combat radical Muslims here and overseas....I mean what was the cost to engage 600 police to round up 15 radical Muslims......what is the cost to the nation on taxpayers money being spent on humanitarian aid in Iraq alone....Costs we really cannot afford.

Do we see countries like Russia, China, Japan, Indonesia, India or any of the South American countries becoming involved.



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...7061904484?sv=e6191c83c21453559738d8671893b36

 

[orr]

...I mean what was the cost to engage 600 police to round up 15 radical Muslims......

'Nothing like a Short victorious war to stem the tide of revolution' so said Vyacheslav von Plehve, the Russian Minister for the Interior with regard the Russo-Japanese War.

So what cost? Priceless........... as long as the war goes well.

 

[Tisme]

I...I mean what was the cost to engage 600 police to round up 15 radical Muslims......what is the cost to the nation

I would put that @ A-B=C

where A = revenue from traffic fines and B = 0

so we win twice!!!; the bad guys get a hiding and Joe public gets a retrieve from travelling oppression.

Of course the cops get paid no matter what they are engaged in.

 

[Craton]

You know, I wonder what would happen if the whole world suddenly become what the extremists demanded of it. Who would they blow up, kill, main and torture then?

Yeah, yeah, silly question I know. The answer is simple. The draconian measures would become even more extreme to the point that even the slightest indiscretion would result in death. That's where the problem lies, the extremists don't know where, when or how to stop. It's a self perpetuating frenzy and as far as I'm concerned one that the world has no room for.

I must say I'm appalled that our Muslim brothers and sisters say very little against ISIL and the like. If they do, our media is not covering it. Or is it the case of if our cousins do speak out, they will simply be seen as siding with the West and hence, become targets as well. Whatever, more needs to be heard and done from our Muslim cousins in denouncing such extremism.

We all know the 100 year Jihad started a long, long time ago and while the extremists have no tolerance for the Infidels, it will rage on forever more. The best we can do is to contain any outbreak and at any cost because the alternative is not an alternative at all.

 

[Tisme]

I must say I'm appalled that our Muslim brothers and sisters say very little against ISIL and the like. If they do, our media is not covering it. Or is it the case of if our cousins do speak out, they will simply be seen as siding with the West and hence, become targets as well. Whatever, more needs to be heard and done from our Muslim cousins in denouncing such extremism.

I think that indicates why their origins are always commanded by brutal dictators. The argument would be that the majority are pigeons because they do not practice hate and malice and with any tribe a few will exploit that for gain.

I don't think taking sides comes into it, the inner conflict is to reconcile a primitive pervasive religious doctrine while living in a society of plenty that has a stubborn aversion to the church interfering with governance of law and order and freedoms of association. The laws of Islam are quite well structured, they just don't have an independent judiciary, backed up by a parliament and ultimately the defence forces, to handle the judgements.

 

[noco]

I would put that @ A-B=C

where A = revenue from traffic fines and B = 0

so we win twice!!!; the bad guys get a hiding and Joe public gets a retrieve from travelling oppression.

Of course the cops get paid no matter what they are engaged in.

I think it should be A - M = P

Where A = Australia
M = Muslim
P = Peace

 

[Craton]

I think that indicates why their origins are always commanded by brutal dictators. The argument would be that the majority are pigeons because they do not practice hate and malice and with any tribe a few will exploit that for gain.

I don't think taking sides comes into it, the inner conflict is to reconcile a primitive pervasive religious doctrine while living in a society of plenty that has a stubborn aversion to the church interfering with governance of law and order and freedoms of association. The laws of Islam are quite well structured, they just don't have an independent judiciary, backed up by a parliament and ultimately the defence forces, to handle the judgements.

Thanks for the comments coz if I remember correctly, you have some insight into this.

I also don't think it comes to taking sides (us v them) per se but more so calling out the injustice/barbarism of the extremists. If Islam is well structured then surely the extremists can't hide behind the dogma even without "an independent judiciary, backed up by a parliament and ultimately the defence forces, to handle the judgements"?

 

[noco]

So 200 Muslims demonstrate on the streets in protest of the police raids and the ultimate arrests.

It is pretty obvious those 200 condone terrorism.....the sleeping logs are awake.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-unjust-policing/story-fnihslxi-1227062988666

 

[Craton]

So 200 Muslims demonstrate on the streets in protest of the police raids and the ultimate arrests.

It is pretty obvious those 200 condone terrorism.....the sleeping logs are awake.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-unjust-policing/story-fnihslxi-1227062988666

Nothing new there noco.
Even within Oz we have our own Greens leader protesting we shouldn't be doing this and that in regards to the ISIL threat.

 

[Chris45]

An interesting interview with terrorism expert Sidney Jones, Director of the Institute for Policy Analysis of Conflict last night on Lateline: http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2014/s4090677.htm

Apparently what is motivating ISIS/ISIL/whatever, is the Islamic version of Armageddon.

TONY JONES: Now what is driving the move to jihadists to go to Syria? What's the philosophy behind it, if you take my meaning?

SIDNEY JONES: I think there are a couple of different things. In the beginning, in late 2013, it was a sense that this was the place where there had been various prophecies that the final battle between good and evil would be fought, so that was a critical driver. There was also a sense that this was an area where more Muslims were being massacred than any other part of the world, so it was a humanitarian obligation to go to Syria. But then, as ISIS began to develop and began to talk about the caliphate, that actually gave a real resonance in Indonesia about the restoration of a Muslim government that everybody had hoped and dreamed of, and the victories in June in Iraq gave it a momentum that this wasn't just talk about a caliphate, they were actually controlling territory and resources. So all of those factors have combined to make Syria a real attraction.

TONY JONES: Now these prophecies you mentioned before, prophecies by Mohammed, about what would happen in Sham, which is, I guess in today's terms, Greater Syria, are kind of end-of-time prophecies and they do sort of fit into the kind of death cult aspect of Islamic State as well, don't they?

SIDNEY JONES: Well it's certainly a notion that the Islamic version of Armageddon will take place there at a time when the Islamic Antichrist will appear and it will be the forces of Islam versus evil fighting for final victory and Islam will be victorious. So, I think it's not just for Indonesians, it's for many Muslims in many different parts of the world that Sham, or Greater Syria, has that kind of appeal.

TONY JONES: Now your report also mentions a book, The Two-Arm Strategy, which I guess is an English translation, which has become a runaway bestseller in Indonesia among extremists, among jihadis in particular. What is this book? What is it purporting?

SIDNEY JONES: Well, I think the reason this book became so popular is because it suggested that there would first be a period of dictators, then there would be an overthrow of those dictators that would proceed the - this final battle. So the Arab Spring fit into these prophecies and the two-arm strategies was effectively about taking advantage of the overthrow of the dictators to establish the caliphate.