Has the 100 year Jihad (war) begun ... ???

[Wysiwyg]

Muslims make up about a third of the world's population mate. I'm sure we can find a list of 16 atrocities that were committed by Christians (and Hindus, Buddhists and atheists).

The IRA were terrorists awhile back too using a similar brand of extremism.

What flamed this business at present is the invasion of Iraq. There was no need to go into Iraq when the preferred method, and I notice practiced with North Korea who do have nukes, is sanctions and international isolation. From the brash youth to the dumb-asses in high places, the consequences of their actions are rarely considered.

 

[Calliope]

I wonder how many of these sick monsters are Aussie boys?

IT was the text message from the latest recruits to Islamic State that broke a mother’s heart: “Arrived in Syria. We will see you in paradise.”

The mother of the four western Sydney men believed to have joined the 70-odd Australians fighting for the terrorist organisation received the message on Friday, a day before her sons were due to return from a “free holiday” they had won to Thailand.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/mums-jihad-fears-confirmed-by-text/story-e6frg6n6-1227124992378

An image grab taken from a propaganda video released on Sunday by Al-Furqan Media allegedly shows members of the Islamic State jihadist group preparing the simultaneous beheadings of at least 15 men described as Syrian military personnel. In the highly choreographed sequence, jihadists march the prisoners by a wooden box of long military knives, each taking one as they pass, before forcing their victims to kneel in a line and decapitating them.

 

[Craton]

Dumber and dumber, or should that be blubber and blubber? One things for sure, they are ALL stupid psychos :bad:

TWO of the four Sydney brothers recruited to the Islamic State terrorist group have been revealed to be “obese” and “unfit”, and are unlikely to be allowed to fight.

Link: http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...to-islamic-state/story-fnj3rq0y-1227125370841

 

[DB008]

Al Qaeda confidant turned CIA informant Morten Storm says Australian jihadists should be banned from coming home

A former Danish bikie who became an Al Qaeda jihadist and then turned CIA informant has warned Australia to stop home-grown terrorists from returning home.

"This is a war. These people have declared war against us. We are in a war… I think we should not allow them to come back," Morten Storm told 7.30.

And to do that, he says their passports should be cancelled.

"The Australian passport is for them a tool to become a terrorist," he said.

He was a violent teenager and drifted into bikie gangs before converting to Islam and becoming a jihadist.

"At a very young age I felt neglected by my parents," he said of his childhood.

"Islam was a structure, a model way of life for me to follow, which I needed so badly."

Mr Storm prepared to join the fight raging in Somalia, but at the last minute those plans were thwarted.

It was a pivotal moment, and he began to question his faith.

"I lost the chance to fight jihad, which was for me [like] losing the World Cup final," he said.

"I couldn't believe that Allah would, 50,000 years before I was created, decide for me not to go to jihad when that is the best thing you can do."

As quickly as he embraced radical Islam, Mr Storm abandoned it.

He initiated a meeting with a Danish intelligence agent and told them: "I am not a Muslim. I want to help you fight the terrorists."

And so began the transformation.

More on link below...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-17/jihadist-turned-cia-informant-morten-storm-warns-against-radica/5897434

 

[Calliope]

Dumber and dumber, or should that be blubber and blubber? One things for sure, they are ALL stupid psychos :bad:

TWO of the four Sydney brothers recruited to the Islamic State terrorist group have been revealed to be “obese” and “unfit”, and are unlikely to be allowed to fight.

I suppose they can still be used for chopping heads off.

 

[Calliope]

Why Australia holds the record for the export of more Jihadists per capita than any other Western country.

An estimated 250 Australians have flown to the Middle East to wage jihad. Yet Indonesia, a Muslim country with 10-times our population, has produced 60. We have more IS recruits than the US.

Visiting terrorism expert Aaron Zelin, from the Washington Institute, suggests the US is a less fertile recruiting ground because its Muslim population may be better integrated than in Australia and Europe, due to the fact its original migrants tended to be better educated than ours.

But he also suggests that generous welfare in Australia and Europe may hold a clue.

“In the US, people have to work hard to get ahead,” he says. In other words, they’re too busy earning a living to waste time getting radicalised as a way of putting meaning into purposeless lives.

As the old saying goes, the devil makes work for idle hands

. (my bolds)

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...l_makes_work_for_our_idle_welfare_recipients/

 

[SirRumpole]

But he also suggests that generous welfare in Australia and Europe may hold a clue.

Yes, the sooner we realise we are actually financing people to sit around and be radicalised, the sooner we should do something about it.

More work for the dole, less familiy tax benefits that fund the seemingly endless children that some people have, and more waiting time for immigrants to receive family tax benefits (at the moment there is no waiting time) will ensure that people who come here from other parts are willing to work to get ahead, not live off the rest of us.

 

[luutzu]

Why Australia holds the record for the export of more Jihadists per capita than any other Western country.

. (my bolds)

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...l_makes_work_for_our_idle_welfare_recipients/

Yea, "Cut welfare! Stop terrorism!"
Have to say that that's a new one.

I've heard of Welfare Queens rocking up to their Centrelink in limousines to collect food stamps and welfare cheques.. but Jihadists?

 

[Wysiwyg]

But he also suggests that generous welfare in Australia and Europe may hold a clue.

A check whether the 250 mercenaries that went to join the rest of the rotting corpses had jobs would prove this assertion true or false.

 

[Calliope]

I've heard of Welfare Queens rocking up to their Centrelink in limousines to collect food stamps and welfare cheques.. but Jihadists?

Muslim families typically have four or more children, while other Australians have one or two. So they can do do very nicely on family benefits without working, They don't have to rock up to Certrelink. The money goes straight into their bank accounts.

Just to put you on the right track...you have placed your rocking Welfare Queens in the wrong country. We don't have food stamps here, but if you rock up to Centrelink for a handout, they will have a list printed out of the local charities that can help you out with food/household goods/furniture etc.

 

[luutzu]

Muslim families typically have four or more children, while other Australians have one or two. So they can do do very nicely on family benefits without working, They don't have to rock up to Certrelink. The money goes straight into their bank accounts.

Just to put you on the right track...you have placed your rocking Welfare Queens in the wrong country. We don't have food stamps here, but if you rock up to Centrelink for a handout, they will have a list printed out of the local charities that can help you out with food/household goods/furniture etc.

I did say "their Centrelink" - i.e. their welfare office; their version of Centrelink.

Does food and clothing and tuitions and other costs benefit from economy of scales too? I understand that you can hand down clothes, share toys... but people in general eat the same amount of food or use the same amount of water to drink or shower regardless of how many other people are in the family.


Must be nice to not think twice about what others are saying, but then why think when what they're saying is what you already believe.

Let say all Jihadists are welfare dependent, what's yours and that "expert's" solution? Cut welfare? Let the needy Australians starve or get a real job in case some of them are turning radicals and saving it up to go and wage war? If yes, will you suggest we turn it back on after ISIS is defeated? Or will there be new enemies by then that welfare might also be funding?

I once read this American banking CEO - who was getting some $20 or $60 million in pay per year... this guy who earns at least $9K an hour, per hour $9,000! somehow said that people who lives off welfare are having it too good; that the minimum wage of $8 an hour is too high... that these benefits will make them lazy and not driven and will ruin the American economy.

I guess instead of letting food fire their belly, we ought to let starvation fire their ambition to get on in life... Tough love and all. Don't think that same dude have any issue with the $800 billion or so banking bailout though.

 

[Calliope]

I don't know what you are so worked up about luutzu. It was only a suggestion as to why Australia contributes so many young Jihadists to the IS cause. Perhaps you know a better reason, or maybe have inside knowledge, or even have a suggestion, as to why they hate us and love the IS. I'd love to hear it.

Their parents purportedly came here to escape the type of persecution the young Jihadists are now supporting. Why? You obviously know the answer.

 

[luutzu]

I don't know what you are so worked up about luutzu. It was only a suggestion as to why Australia contributes so many young Jihadists to the IS cause. Perhaps you know a better reason, or maybe have inside knowledge, or even have a suggestion, as to why they hate us and love the IS. I'd love to hear it.

Their parents purportedly came here to escape the type of persecution the young Jihadists are now supporting. Why? You obviously know the answer.

I wasn't worked up, was watching CollegeHumor on Youtube for all you know.

You know, you shouldn't callously make or believe such sweeping generalisation about groups of people like that. At the risk of being dramatic about it, it's that kind of "only a suggestion" that leads to intolerance, persecution and even death to way too many people then and since - remember Nazi Germany/Europe?

I've talked elsewhere about possible reasons why anyone, Jihadist or otherwise, would want to join armies... and you don't need insider knowledge, just a bit of brain.

First of all, if they hate us so much, it does not make sense that they would try to escape from us to wage war thousands of miles away from us. Maybe they really hate us, we're their number one enemy, so they... they fly to IS, be on our terror list, let instructions and weapons, then hopefully come back here unnoticed to then do us harm.

I'm not making light of terrorism or its threats... but those who just on top of their head make idiotic assumptions and point fingers at every thing remotely related or look like a terrorist might be doing more harm - both to counter-terrorism efforts as well as our society and its values.

Second, it is perfectly plausible that there are less US Jihadist and radicals going to join ISIS appear so because they prefer to stay back and plan attacks there. I hope that's not true, but it is more plausible than this so call "expert"'s suggestion that by the stats, US have less radicals and less terrorists because less welfare and more educated migrants.


Are you a parent? Would you imagine ever persuading your kids to go off and fight and die? Why would any other parents do that? Because they're Muslim and Islam preaches hate?

If Britain or the US is at war, would you send your kids over? You might be sympathetic to the cause, might share a common hatred of your "brothers" enemies, but it's quite unlikely that you would pack your kids bag and tell them to go die for some idiots cause.

Anyway, back to Badman's on YouTube.

 

[Calliope]

luutzu, none of your rationale for these young radical Jihadists is as plausible as "expert" Aaron Zelin's suggestion, as to why we export more of them to the IS than the US.

You know, you shouldn't callously make or believe such sweeping generalisation about groups of people like that. At the risk of being dramatic about it, it's that kind of "only a suggestion" that leads to intolerance, persecution and even death to way too many people then and since - remember Nazi Germany/Europe?

WOW...to think a suggestion could lead to a holocaust!!! Perhaps we need a "Suggestion Police" like the Gestapo or the KGB.

 

[luutzu]

luutzu, none of your rationale for these young radical Jihadists is as plausible as "expert" Aaron Zelin's suggestion, as to why we export more of them to the IS than the US.

WOW...to think a suggestion could lead to a holocaust!!! Perhaps we need a "Suggestion Police" like the Gestapo or the KGB.

So expert Zelin's "suggestion" is that a generous welfare system that are mainly abused by the "poor" and the "sick" and the "elderly" are also responsible for radicalising evil terrorists?

How do you hear that and not laugh?

Got to give it to those terrorists ey? They're so evil and so hell bend on destroying infidels but are so patient and law-abiding that instead of... I don't know... sell drugs or commit property crimes or break and enter or car jacking or something to get money in a hurry.. instead wait for some $300 a fortnight welfare pay and save up.

Wait... they commit crimes and cheat welfare. Got you.

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Out of curiosity... are all the people your colour good and kind to you? Would you trust all of them and invite them to your homes if you just met off the street?

What's with these mistrust of Muslims? Might help you against terrorists but might also make you complacent about potential bad guys with the same skin colour as you.

I've met and work with a few Muslims... some are real bastards. But then some Asians are also bastards too, so are some White folks I know. So maybe bastardry has little to do with skin colour or ethnicity... might be useful to know that.

 

[Calliope]

So expert Zelin's "suggestion" is that a generous welfare system that are mainly abused by the "poor" and the "sick" and the "elderly" are also responsible for radicalising evil terrorists?

Not at all. That is just you putting your usual spin on ideas you can't cope with..

 

[luutzu]

Not at all. That is just you putting your usual spin on ideas you can't cope with..

Didn't you quote him saying this:

But he also suggests that generous welfare in Australia and Europe may hold a clue.

“In the US, people have to work hard to get ahead,” he says. In other words, they’re too busy earning a living to waste time getting radicalised as a way of putting meaning into purposeless lives.

As the old saying goes, the devil makes work for idle hands

In other words.... generous welfare in Australia and Europe may hold a clue to there being more terrorists... in other words, welfare hold a clue to growing, enabling, funding terrorism.

I saw some documentaries about Nazi Germany... among the reasons that most German are either complacent or complicit in first putting innocent people into ghettos, then concentration camps then gas chambers was them listening and not thinking when some idiot spout on about the this and that about an entire group of people... that they're obviously this and that because of how they dress, because their nose is this shape, because their hair is that colour... That their religion teaches them this and that and how they will come out in the night and creep up to children's bed and blah blah blah...

Just suggestions you know...

 

[Calliope]

... and blah blah blah...

You got that right.

 

[gordon2007]

I saw some documentaries

Yes, we know, you saw a doco...on youtube.

Do you actually have any personal thoughts yourself? It appears to me you watch one youtube video, then click on the next video that is suggested based on the relevance of the one you're watching. This is a repetitive behaviour of yours. You watch video after video, regurgitate it back here via posts until your monthly gigabyte allowance is used up and then you disappear for a few days.

 

[luutzu]

Yes, we know, you saw a doco...on youtube.

Do you actually have any personal thoughts yourself? It appears to me you watch one youtube video, then click on the next video that is suggested based on the relevance of the one you're watching. This is a repetitive behaviour of yours. You watch video after video, regurgitate it back here via posts until your monthly gigabyte allowance is used up and then you disappear for a few days.

Na, those Nazi Germany doco I saw from DVDs, before such thing as YouTube... and I'm now on Optus Unlimited cable, so no monthly cap. Awesome.

I thought that watching historical documentary (or reading) teaches a person something, from such facts people learn and think and form their "personal thoughts". Or you'd rather I make up history?

When I quote experts' opinion and findings... call that regurgitation if you want, but I just think it's part of learning and being honest about where you get your facts from. So the facts I regurgitated I obvious agrees with, it makes sense to me... is it more important that facts are accurate or it's more important that it's my original thoughts? My personal opinions?


Calliope doesn't seem to trust or like the Muslims very much... Calliope thinks all Arabs are terrorists or radicals or just plain bad somehow... Calliope is on the side of Israel in its occupation of Palestine.

So Calliope would think, and this is my originality right here, would think that it is wrong that the Jewish people were murdered in their millions for no other reason than some group of people think that Jews are bad this and horrible that, that Jews ruin the country and the economy, are inferior because they don't look white or have blonde hair and blue eyes... Calliope would find it absolutely terrible that anyone would make that kind of racist, bigoted generalisation against innocent people; would find it criminal that those people then lock and murder en masse millions of innocent people just because of that idiotic generalisation... YET

Yet he's perfectly fine himself thinking and acting the same way against another group of people - just instead of generalising against the Jews he's here generalising against the Arabs and the Muslims.

I saw a quote by George Orwell, yes on YouTube and from OzzyMan Reviews, about "double think" - the ability to hold two contradictory views at once and find them both acceptable.


maybe I should learn from attending fancy schools and paying for special guess speakers, that's more real than some silly lecture or documentary.