Has the 100 year Jihad (war) begun ... ???

[overhang]

How do we know how many Muslims have come? I found the following appendix B interesting:


http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam...entary_Library/pubs/BN/2012-2013/BoatArrivals

You clearly haven't read enough Andrew Bolt blogs. They're all Muslims and they're all ISIS (and paid up union members), Gillard invited them here to disrupt the country in attempt to convert it to a Fabian society.

 

[noco]

This is just extremism right here, its radical on the extreme scale. It is absolutely irrational to suggest Gillard had an agenda to lapse the immigration policy and let in 50k Muslims as to cause division in the Australian community (it was Rudd that dismantled the policy anyway). There is no possible logical reason for this, opening the flood gates was always going to be political suicide to have such a failing immigration policy. It's obvious that he didn't think that the policy change would have that effect (you cant really means test an immigration policy). How many of those 50k become Australian citizens btw? If you're going to suggest some radical thing like it was to win the Muslim vote then no, they would go after the 4-5% green vote before that.

Don't get me wrong Muslims intolerance of other cultures is a substantial risk to the future of our country which may be possible from the left wing political correct brigade but you are way off the mark on this one.

I have posted this before but am happy to do it again just for you.

http://www.restoreaustralia.org.au/fabians-and-pm-gillard/

They have opened the doors to illegal invaders who are bringing in a religion that goes totally against our way of life. They are using Islam to create divisions in our society and turn citizen against citizen. At the same time, they have neglected our own needy; our aged and veterans, the very citizens who have contributed so much to our country and who should now be enjoying the fruits of their labour. Instead, they are living on the brink of poverty.

 

[SirRumpole]

I have posted this before but am happy to do it again just for you.

http://www.restoreaustralia.org.au/fabians-and-pm-gillard/

They have opened the doors to illegal invaders who are bringing in a religion that goes totally against our way of life. They are using Islam to create divisions in our society and turn citizen against citizen. At the same time, they have neglected our own needy; our aged and veterans, the very citizens who have contributed so much to our country and who should now be enjoying the fruits of their labour. Instead, they are living on the brink of poverty.

If you continue to read those Raving Right wing nutsoid rags you will become a bitter and twisted person (totally unlike what you are now ). Gillard is gone so I don't understand your preoccupation with her.

Labor is not a Left wing party these days, it's just that your lot are so far to the Right that a centre party like Labor looks like commos to you.

And who is neglecting our aged and veterans ? A Medicare co-payment that will hit the sick and elderly, a miserly pay offer for the armed forces, changes to pension indexation that will cost pensioners money, making the elderly work longer for retirement benefits, all instituted by the people you support. Please don't peddle hypocrisy in forums where there are intelligent people who can see through some of the trash you link to.

 

[noco]

If you continue to read those Raving Right wing nutsoid rags you will become a bitter and twisted person (totally unlike what you are now ). Gillard is gone so I don't understand your preoccupation with her.

Labor is not a Left wing party these days, it's just that your lot are so far to the Right that a centre party like Labor looks like commos to you.

And who is neglecting our aged and veterans ? A Medicare co-payment that will hit the sick and elderly, a miserly pay offer for the armed forces, changes to pension indexation that will cost pensioners money, making the elderly work longer for retirement benefits, all instituted by the people you support. Please don't peddle hypocrisy in forums where there are intelligent people who can see through some of the trash you link to.

Your post is off topic.

Well, what do you expect? ....Do you expect the current Government to go on borrowing a $100,000,000 each day as did Labor for future generations to pay back.......If the Fabians had not wasted so much of tax payers money in 2007 to 2013 we would not be in the mess we are today.......Savings have to be made so please don't try to hide the facts............you know as well as every body else, the honey pot is empty.......Please don't blame the GFC......The liberals could have done twice as much with half the money wasted by Labor.

The truth always hurts and that is why you revert to insults.....you are a hypocrite after accusing me of insults.............you don't seem to take any notice of the moderator or are you trying to be one yourself?

 

[SirRumpole]

Your post is off topic.

Well, what do you expect? ....Do you expect the current Government to go on borrowing a $100,000,000 each day as did Labor for future generations to pay back.......If the Fabians had not wasted so much of tax payers money in 2007 to 2013 we would not be in the mess we are today.......Savings have to be made so please don't try to hide the facts............you know as well as every body else, the honey pot is empty.......Please don't blame the GFC......The liberals could have done twice as much with half the money wasted by Labor.

The truth always hurts and that is why you revert to insults.....you are a hypocrite after accusing me of insults.............you don't seem to take any notice of the moderator or are you trying to be one yourself?

Pointing out hypocrisy with evidence is not insults, it's the truth.

Yes, savings must be made, so why introduce an expensive paid parental leave plan ?

Anyway, you are correct, this subject is off topic on this thread.

 

[noco]

Pointing out hypocrisy with evidence is not insults, it's the truth.

Yes, savings must be made, so why introduce an expensive paid parental leave plan ?

Anyway, you are correct, this subject is off topic on this thread.

If you continue to read those Raving Right wing nutsoid rags you will become a bitter and twisted person (totally unlike what you are now ). Gillard is gone so I don't understand your preoccupation with her.

So you do not consider the high lights an insult..."a bitter and twisted person (totally unlike you are now".)...you certainly have a queer way of thinking.

Once again you are off topic of this thread....What has the PPl got to do with the "100 year Jihard"?

 

[overhang]

I have posted this before but am happy to do it again just for you.

http://www.restoreaustralia.org.au/fabians-and-pm-gillard/

They have opened the doors to illegal invaders who are bringing in a religion that goes totally against our way of life. They are using Islam to create divisions in our society and turn citizen against citizen. At the same time, they have neglected our own needy; our aged and veterans, the very citizens who have contributed so much to our country and who should now be enjoying the fruits of their labour. Instead, they are living on the brink of poverty.

I can't believe I actually took the time to read that rubbish, the scary part is I can really imagine you nodding your head in agreement to every unsubstantiated point made. This is just as extreme as the same terrorists this thread is about however the end objective isn't so I'm in no way asserting these views are harmful but certainly extreme.

But your link in know way proves your radical point that Gillard (who didn't alter the policy) wanted to create dissension and division in the Australian community. It's interesting because most people even when they are opposed to an opposite political view can accept that the opposites are trying to do what's for the greater good of the country but normally disagree on how they go about it. But here you are claiming she was actually trying to ruin the country.

 

[noco]

I can't believe I actually took the time to read that rubbish, the scary part is I can really imagine you nodding your head in agreement to every unsubstantiated point made. This is just as extreme as the same terrorists this thread is about however the end objective isn't so I'm in no way asserting these views are harmful but certainly extreme.

But your link in know way proves your radical point that Gillard (who didn't alter the policy) wanted to create dissension and division in the Australian community. It's interesting because most people even when they are opposed to an opposite political view can accept that the opposites are trying to do what's for the greater good of the country but normally disagree on how they go about it. But here you are claiming she was actually trying to ruin the country.

Rubbish ha!!!!.......well you cannot deny the fact there were demonstrations in the streets of Sydney yesterday.....Australians protesting about the Islamic activities......Muslims protesting about Australia .if that is not division in the community I don't know what you would call it.....I happened to see it on one of the TV channels and will try and obtain a link for you.

http://www.news.com.au/national/mus...ba-who-were-they/story-fncynjr2-1227064573689

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-...-mosque-development-on-sunshine-coast/5757964

 

[DB008]

Al-Qaeda wants Muslims to join Islamic State

TERROR group Al-Qaeda has called on Muslims worldwide to join Islamic State in their quest to create a caliphate as the militants continue to be beaten back in both Syria and Iraq.

For the second day, Iraq and Kurd forces backed by Coalition air strikes and on-the- ground US and UK military advisers successfully fought battles on multiple fronts halting the militants’ momentum.

In Tikrit, north of Baghdad Iraqi forces backed by their air force destroyed six ISIS armoured personnel carriers and an unknown number of militants while fierce battles also raged about Ramadi in the country’s north west where a curfew has now been imposed.

http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/alqaeda-wants-muslims-to-join-islamic-state/story-fnh81ifq-1227094687177

 

[noco]

I can't believe I actually took the time to read that rubbish, the scary part is I can really imagine you nodding your head in agreement to every unsubstantiated point made. This is just as extreme as the same terrorists this thread is about however the end objective isn't so I'm in no way asserting these views are harmful but certainly extreme.

But your link in know way proves your radical point that Gillard (who didn't alter the policy) wanted to create dissension and division in the Australian community. It's interesting because most people even when they are opposed to an opposite political view can accept that the opposites are trying to do what's for the greater good of the country but normally disagree on how they go about it. But here you are claiming she was actually trying to ruin the country.

So can you tell me why Rudd/Gillard let so many illegals into Australia via people smugglers from 2008 to 2013?

 

[SirRumpole]

So can you tell me why Rudd/Gillard let so many illegals into Australia via people smugglers from 2008 to 2013?

A misplaced sense of humanitarianism ?

Surely not even you would suggest any Australian government would actively support or encourage terrorism ? That seems to be the thrust of your argument, or have I misunderstood you ?

 

[noco]

A misplaced sense of humanitarianism ?

Surely not even you would suggest any Australian government would actively support or encourage terrorism ? That seems to be the thrust of your argument, or have I misunderstood you ?

I don't know about your misunderstanding, but the question was not directed to you....Are you Overhung or underhung.

The question was quite explicit as far as I am concerned.

If 1 in a 100 out of those 50,000 were terrorists then that was one too many.

 

[SirRumpole]

I don't know about your misunderstanding, but the question was not directed to you.

The question was quite explicit as far as I am concerned.

Sorry, I didn't realise you were having a personal conversation.

Perhaps you should use PM if you don't want interlopers intruding into your personal space.

 

[noco]

Sorry, I didn't realise you were having a personal conversation.

Perhaps you should use PM if you don't want interlopers intruding into your personal space.

That's OK....I did not mean you did not have a right of reply, but you certainly did not understand the question.

The question was.......why did Rudd/Gillard open the borders to allow 50,000 illegals to enter Australia via people smugglers. 2008 to 2013.

 

[SirRumpole]

That's OK....I did not mean you did not have a right of reply, but you certainly did not understand the question.

The question was.......why did Rudd/Gillard open the borders to allow 50,000 illegals to enter Australia via people smugglers. 2008 to 2013.

I provided an answer. I'm interested to hear why you think they did it.

 

[noco]

A misplaced sense of humanitarianism ?

Surely not even you would suggest any Australian government would actively support or encourage terrorism ? That seems to be the thrust of your argument, or have I misunderstood you ?

Rumpy, that was not an answer...you merely skirted around the question.

I have already given you the answer (my post 342) as to why Rudd/Gillard allowed the flood of 50,000 illegals into Australia but you won't accept the answer because you just do not believe how the Fabian Society works with their subtle approach to Democratic Socialism as they call it, but is really Communism....If you don't believe what I am trying to explain to you, then I suggest you go to Google and type in Fabian Society.....I am sure you will learn a lot for yourself....It will also tell you who are the past and present Fabian members...starting at the top Gough Whitlam is still their patron......the shadow treasurer Chris Bowen and Jenny Macklin are members.

 

[SirRumpole]

Rumpy, that was not an answer...you merely skirted around the question.

I have already given you the answer as to why Rudd/Gillard allowed the flood of 50,000 illegals into Australia but you won't accept the answer because you just do not believe how the Fabian Society works with their subtle approach to Democratic Socialism as they call it, but is really Communism....If you don't believe what I am trying to explain to you, then I suggest you go to Google and type in Fabian Society.....I am sure you will learn a lot for yourself....It will also tell you who are the past and present Fabian members...starting at the top Gough Whitlam is still their patron......the shadow treasurer Chris Bowen and Jenny Macklin are members.

I don't really see the link between refugees and Communism. I thought your main problem with refugees was that they are Muslims. The link between Muslims and Communists escapes me. Are you really saying all those refugees were Commies in disguise and would be used as some sort of underground in a new Communist uprising ?

 

[noco]

I don't really see the link between refugees and Communism. I thought your main problem with refugees was that they are Muslims. The link between Muslims and Communists escapes me. Are you really saying all those refugees were Commies in disguise and would be used as some sort of underground in a new Communist uprising ?

No Rumpy, I am not saying there is a link between Muslims and Communism, they are your words.

It would not have mattered whether they were Muslims or Communists or some other race or religion......What Gillard did was to create dissension and division in the community as has been proven.......she wanted the average Australian up in arms about the social security that was provided for the so called refugees..........$11 billion was used up over her reign and it is still costing the Aussie tax payer dearly and will do for some time to come.

Gillard wanted discontent in the community not only with refugees but with our industries, mining, agriculture, Carbon tax and the mining tax.....All these things add up to the burden of additional costs which in turn sends business into insolvency or overseas......loss of industry and loss of jobs.....There modus operandi was to nationalize industry, mining, agriculture and the banks and they were doing it in a very subtle way with out many people knowing.

Sorry to be a bit off this thread but the refugee problem is all a part of the link to what the Fabians are up to.

No doubt in your usual manner you will attack my Character...go for your life.....it will not worry me one bit.

 

[SirRumpole]

No Rumpy, I am not saying there is a link between Muslims and Communism, they are your words.

It would not have mattered whether they were Muslims or Communists or some other race or religion......What Gillard did was to create dissension and division in the community as has been proven.......she wanted the average Australian up in arms about the social security that was provided for the so called refugees..........$11 billion was used up over her reign and it is still costing the Aussie tax payer dearly and will do for some time to come.

Gillard wanted discontent in the community not only with refugees but with our industries, mining, agriculture, Carbon tax and the mining tax.....All these things add up to the burden of additional costs which in turn sends business into insolvency or overseas......loss of industry and loss of jobs.....There modus operandi was to nationalize industry, mining, agriculture and the banks and they were doing it in a very subtle way with out many people knowing.

Sorry to be a bit off this thread but the refugee problem is all a part of the link to what the Fabians are up to.

No doubt in your usual manner you will attack my Character...go for your life.....it will not worry me one bit.

I'm not going to attack your character , just your reasoning.

OK , so you are saying Labor wanted to nationalise mining, industry and banking.

I think they certainly wanted a better return out of the minerals that we as a country own, but that's hardly nationalisation. Nationalisation is taking OWNERSHIP of industries by compulsorally acquiring shares.

There was never any attempt to take ownership of banks, so any plans Labor had in this area must have been very subtle. As for industries like the car industry, if taxpayer money was shovelled into them, then there SHOULD have been government ownership, but there never was. Again, so much for nationalisation.

Any you still haven't pointed out any links at all between refugees and this so-called non existent nationalisation, so as far as I can see there is no evidence at all to back up what you are trying to insinuate about Gillard.

 

[overhang]

So can you tell me why Rudd/Gillard let so many illegals into Australia via people smugglers from 2008 to 2013?

Well Rudd believed they could have a more humane immigration policy and still control the borders, obviously this policy failed and was a major contributing factor to the demise of the Labor government. Considering the political suicide of failing to control the borders it's a lot more plausible than your theory Gillard intended to open the borders to create division in society.

So a couple of questions for you then, how many of the 50k were Muslims? How many of those went on to become Australian citizens?