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Your guess is as wrong as your conclusions. Perhaps phone a friend?
Your guess is as wrong as your conclusions. Perhaps phone a friend?Guessing that "A" is for Andrew Thomas the treasury official who had sent emails to Godwin Grech.
It was tedious work going through your foul mouthed posts.
One consolation, you must be running out of degrading, insulting, rude and hateful adjectives to describe our Prime Minister.
It doesn’t matter whether Mr Swan received emails at home via his fax machine as to whether Mr Grant would get assistance or not. What matters is that he received the emails at all. It wouldn’t matter if he was at is office, at home, at the pub, or on Mars - what matters is that Mr Grant is a mate of his and as a minister of the Crown you don’t help your mates get access or try to get access to public money. You don’t even risk creating the perception that that is what you are doing. And Wayne Swan has gone well beyond merely creating the perception.
To this end the fake email is almost now a red herring in this debate. It still matters for a few reasons - unless the Auditor-General inquiry proves otherwise, and Rudd’s confidence suggests that it won’t, it does remove the suggestion that Kevin Rudd has misled. But it doesn’t matter for Malcolm Turnbull, because Turnbull wasn’t shopping the fake email about, meaning that the calls for his resignation are absurd.
All that really matters is the string of genuine emails involving Wayne Swan and his office and John Grant, which don’t so much suggest as scream that Treasury boffin Godwin Grech was bang-on in his estimates testimony on Friday that this Ipswich car dealer is not just another constituent.
They're only foul to a Krudd supporter, tell me what is it you like about him ? Is it his repeated tantrums to insult and abuse his staff ? or his arrogance being as he is under the impression he understands economics, the Chinese had a good laugh at his "essay" on the GFC or is it how he single handedly sucked thousand of FHB's into the housing bubble, many of whom will have deep regrets in a short time.
Yes it's hard to understand how anyone could think he's ok, except those who got cheques in the mail perhaps.
He might be YOUR prime minister but I dont consider him mine, just an imposter temporarily in the position , doing as much damage as possible while he's there ......unfortunately.
Only Turnbull could have given this "life", even if it becomes the death of him.
"You should not lie to protect your boss," Mr Turnbull said, according to a statement today by Andrew Charlton, Mr Rudd's economic specialist.
"This OzCar issue will be very damaging for you," he quoted Mr Turnbull as saying. OzCar is the Government's finance body for car dealers, established when credit was tight earlier this year.
"You know and I know there is documentary evidence that you have lied."
Mr Charlton said in his statement that at the end of the conversation he had walked out of Parliament House where he noticed a colleague, and had relayed what happened to her.
Mr Turnbull said that he did have a conversation with Mr Rudd's economic policy adviser Andrew Charlton at the mid-winter ball at Parliament House on Wednesday night.
But he described as "inaccurate and incomplete" a file note prepared by Mr Charlton which detailed the conversation in which it is alleged Mr Turnbull threatened him about the OzCar issue.
There are claims surfacing that the photo (accessed via the above referenced link) was actually taken on Kevin Rudd's own personal Blackberry and somehow got out to the media (the photo was not taken by Kevin Rudd).
Rudd instructed his staff to use a BlackBerry to get a picture of Charlton and Turnbull talking. After the ball, Charlton issued a statement saying he had been threatened and bullied by Turnbull, who had warned him not to lie over the affair.
Your guess is as wrong as your conclusions. Perhaps phone a friend?
I must agree with MrBurns. He didn't appear confused, he was confused. Turnbull won't get away with the BS he unleashed on the pretext he actually had some evidence.
I listened, live, to most of the parliamentary sessions that covered this matter. Swan's avoidance of some of the detail that has now emerged is about all that is in question. In context, the adept avoidance of Howard's team in when questioned about the Children Overboard affair makes this look like a namby pamby kindy hissy fit. Only Turnbull could have given this "life", even if it becomes the death of him.
What BS from Turnbull? It was labors spin on the situation that brought the email to attention, not Turnbull.
What’s the Children Overboard affair got to do with it?
What’s any past Liberal affair got to do with it?
Trying to play down one incident over another reeks of cover-up.
Whatever the truth is I'm sure it will come out.
Not only is the PM and his cronies good at spin but it also appears their die hard supporters are as well.
Barnaby Joyce said on radio this am....the investigations will turn up nothing...since the PM can direct where they look.....he said words to the affect...pm will send them looking in the bedroom....but not in the kitchen, because the stuff is in the kitchen......saw something else about excluding swan and his dept.....what the.....but swans in the centre stage of it....
and the krudd knows turnbull does not have anything...hence thats why he is asking turnbull for it....more smoke screens
has anybody asked the news reporter who supposedly has it...to hand it over .....no...why not....because he might...
its all smoke and mirrors...as usual...
what about the 60 odd unhappy staffers who have left the pm's office....
I am inclined to think...they are typical bully boys....forget about the truth...just bully your way out.....
and funny...they are wishing gillard was not overseas...sticking her nose into Israel...they call her a big gun....they want her to defend the other bullies back home...
Pyne is part of a three-headed monster - the bruiser, the boof and the bore - that is never going to get traction against Kevin Rudd, no matter how many Labor mates they uncover who received very special treatment from the Prime Minister's chief surrogate, fall guy and Nambour High School mate, Treasurer Wayne Swan.
Because if the bruiser (Turnbull), the boof (shadow treasurer, Joe Hockey) and the bore (Pyne) represent the point of the sword of the Federal Opposition, it is a blunt instrument, a non-lethal weapon, the bluntest instrument the party has had in 13 years, which happens to be the time when Paul Keating departed and Peter Costello took control of the economy, and question time.
The bruiser, the boof and the bore look worse with Costello's pending departure, because the party has nowhere else to go for the foreseeable future, one reason why the Prime Minister is assiduously positioning himself to call an election for this November if he thinks it suits him best.
Mr Turnbull wants to hear more from the Treasury official who told a Senate inquiry on Friday that he could recall Mr Rudd's office making an initial representation on Mr Grant's behalf.
The official - Godwin Grech - was shut down by Labor senators and his own Treasury senior official, Mr Turnbull said.
"He wanted to say more about that email, but the minute he talked about it they jumped on him like a tonne of bricks and basically prevented him from giving his testimony," he told Macquarie Radio Network.
Treasury official's house raided over OzCar
The house of the public servant at the centre of the OzCar email scandal has been raided by investigators.
The ABC reports Australian Federal Police officers executed a search warrant on the South Canberra home of Treasury official Godwin Grech just before midday today.
AFP cars are parked outside the residence and IT specialists are believed to be investigating an email sent from Treasury to his home account.
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