Has Kevin Rudd misled parliament?

[rederob]

Guessing that "A" is for Andrew Thomas the treasury official who had sent emails to Godwin Grech.

Your guess is as wrong as your conclusions. Perhaps phone a friend?

 

[MrBurns]

It was tedious work going through your foul mouthed posts.

They're only foul to a Krudd supporter, tell me what is it you like about him ? Is it his repeated tantrums to insult and abuse his staff ? or his arrogance being as he is under the impression he understands economics, the Chinese had a good laugh at his "essay" on the GFC or is it how he single handedly sucked thousand of FHB's into the housing bubble, many of whom will have deep regrets in a short time.

Yes it's hard to understand how anyone could think he's ok, except those who got cheques in the mail perhaps.

One consolation, you must be running out of degrading, insulting, rude and hateful adjectives to describe our Prime Minister.

He might be YOUR prime minister but I dont consider him mine, just an imposter temporarily in the position , doing as much damage as possible while he's there ......unfortunately.

 

[Calliope]

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/dodgy-brothers-rudd-swan-utegate-emails/

It doesn’t matter whether Mr Swan received emails at home via his fax machine as to whether Mr Grant would get assistance or not. What matters is that he received the emails at all. It wouldn’t matter if he was at is office, at home, at the pub, or on Mars - what matters is that Mr Grant is a mate of his and as a minister of the Crown you don’t help your mates get access or try to get access to public money. You don’t even risk creating the perception that that is what you are doing. And Wayne Swan has gone well beyond merely creating the perception.

To this end the fake email is almost now a red herring in this debate. It still matters for a few reasons - unless the Auditor-General inquiry proves otherwise, and Rudd’s confidence suggests that it won’t, it does remove the suggestion that Kevin Rudd has misled. But it doesn’t matter for Malcolm Turnbull, because Turnbull wasn’t shopping the fake email about, meaning that the calls for his resignation are absurd.

All that really matters is the string of genuine emails involving Wayne Swan and his office and John Grant, which don’t so much suggest as scream that Treasury boffin Godwin Grech was bang-on in his estimates testimony on Friday that this Ipswich car dealer is not just another constituent.

 

[knocker]

They're only foul to a Krudd supporter, tell me what is it you like about him ? Is it his repeated tantrums to insult and abuse his staff ? or his arrogance being as he is under the impression he understands economics, the Chinese had a good laugh at his "essay" on the GFC or is it how he single handedly sucked thousand of FHB's into the housing bubble, many of whom will have deep regrets in a short time.

Yes it's hard to understand how anyone could think he's ok, except those who got cheques in the mail perhaps.



He might be YOUR prime minister but I dont consider him mine, just an imposter temporarily in the position , doing as much damage as possible while he's there ......unfortunately.

Krudd by name and krudd by nature. He has NFI about anything, and nor do the mindless kuckleheads who voted him in. Enjoy your recession aus.

 

[Tink]

Only Turnbull could have given this "life", even if it becomes the death of him.

I agree. Waste of time and resources if you ask me..

 

[Quincy]

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25659302-5001021,00.html

There are claims surfacing that the photo (accessed via the above referenced link) was actually taken on Kevin Rudd's own personal Blackberry and somehow got out to the media (the photo was not taken by Kevin Rudd).

It has also been claimed that it was actually Andrew Charlton who made the approach to Malcolm Turnbull at the Ball (and not vice versa as claimed).

According to Andrew Charlton's version of the conversation : -

"You should not lie to protect your boss," Mr Turnbull said, according to a statement today by Andrew Charlton, Mr Rudd's economic specialist.

"This OzCar issue will be very damaging for you," he quoted Mr Turnbull as saying. OzCar is the Government's finance body for car dealers, established when credit was tight earlier this year.

"You know and I know there is documentary evidence that you have lied."

As stated in the newspaper article (as per the above referenced link) : -

Mr Charlton said in his statement that at the end of the conversation he had walked out of Parliament House where he noticed a colleague, and had relayed what happened to her.

Malcolm Turnbull has again over the weekend disputed the above version of events as claimed by Andrew Charlton. He had said at the time (last week) as stated in the above referenced newspaper article : -

Mr Turnbull said that he did have a conversation with Mr Rudd's economic policy adviser Andrew Charlton at the mid-winter ball at Parliament House on Wednesday night.

But he described as "inaccurate and incomplete" a file note prepared by Mr Charlton which detailed the conversation in which it is alleged Mr Turnbull threatened him about the OzCar issue.

The plot thickens.

 

[Quincy]

There are claims surfacing that the photo (accessed via the above referenced link) was actually taken on Kevin Rudd's own personal Blackberry and somehow got out to the media (the photo was not taken by Kevin Rudd).

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25669042-5013871,00.html

Rudd instructed his staff to use a BlackBerry to get a picture of Charlton and Turnbull talking. After the ball, Charlton issued a statement saying he had been threatened and bullied by Turnbull, who had warned him not to lie over the affair.

The claims that it was Kevin Rudd's personal BlackBerry may not be true.

 

[trainspotter]

Your guess is as wrong as your conclusions. Perhaps phone a friend?

Hmmmmmmmmm ... let's stick to the subject matter at hand shall we. I notice a fair bit of diatribe witten here and it seems that we have firmly established that some of the posts are written by the factional left and others by the extreme right with a smattering of common sense posts in between. This is a helathy debate on our government and it's internal workings ... no matter how flawed the system is.

By the way:- During Senate hearings on Friday, senior Treasury official Godwin Grech said he recalled an email from Mr Rudd's office saying Mr Grant's case should receive his attention.

Mr Grech heads OzCar, the Government's financing arm to which Mr Grant applied for help.

News Limited journalist Steve Lewis quoted the email, allegedly from Mr Rudd's adviser Andrew Charlton, as saying: "Hi, Godwin, the PM has asked if the car dealer financing vehicle is available to assist ... John Grant Motors, (which) seems to be having trouble getting finance. If you can follow up on this asap that would be very useful. A "

So therefore my guess and conclusion is 100% accurate. Play the ball and not the man next time Rederob. Sheeesh !!

 

[moXJO]

I must agree with MrBurns. He didn't appear confused, he was confused. Turnbull won't get away with the BS he unleashed on the pretext he actually had some evidence.

I listened, live, to most of the parliamentary sessions that covered this matter. Swan's avoidance of some of the detail that has now emerged is about all that is in question. In context, the adept avoidance of Howard's team in when questioned about the Children Overboard affair makes this look like a namby pamby kindy hissy fit. Only Turnbull could have given this "life", even if it becomes the death of him.

What BS from Turnbull? It was labors spin on the situation that brought the email to attention, not Turnbull.
What’s the Children Overboard affair got to do with it?
What’s any past Liberal affair got to do with it?
Trying to play down one incident over another reeks of cover-up.
Whatever the truth is I'm sure it will come out.

Not only is the PM and his cronies good at spin but it also appears their die hard supporters are as well.

 

[MrBurns]

What BS from Turnbull? It was labors spin on the situation that brought the email to attention, not Turnbull.
What’s the Children Overboard affair got to do with it?
What’s any past Liberal affair got to do with it?
Trying to play down one incident over another reeks of cover-up.
Whatever the truth is I'm sure it will come out.

Not only is the PM and his cronies good at spin but it also appears their die hard supporters are as well.

I love the way the looney left trot out children overboard over and over again ,they live in a twisted past and are only still breathing because of Govt handouts no doubt. It's seriously embarrassing that these latter day hippies cant move on and admit they were wrong and the real issue was preventing illegal immigrants flooding in.

There's no BS from Turnbull, KRudd has been caught out and like any shallow, nerd trying to be a real man he's trying to smart **** his way out of it, no doubt he will cheat swerve dodge and whimper his way out of this one because that's the insect that he is.

 

[Pimping]

All I can say is the militant union cronies and their socialist naive boozer mates are now able to see Krudd's real political aptitude, essentially zero. GOOD LUCK, I didn't vote for him.

 

[kincella]

Barnaby Joyce said on radio this am....the investigations will turn up nothing...since the PM can direct where they look.....he said words to the affect...pm will send them looking in the bedroom....but not in the kitchen, because the stuff is in the kitchen......saw something else about excluding swan and his dept.....what the.....but swans in the centre stage of it....
and the krudd knows turnbull does not have anything...hence thats why he is asking turnbull for it....more smoke screens
has anybody asked the news reporter who supposedly has it...to hand it over .....no...why not....because he might...
its all smoke and mirrors...as usual...
what about the 60 odd unhappy staffers who have left the pm's office....
I am inclined to think...they are typical bully boys....forget about the truth...just bully your way out.....
and funny...they are wishing gillard was not overseas...sticking her nose into Israel...they call her a big gun....they want her to defend the other bullies back home...

 

[Calliope]

I listened to Rudd on AM this morning. He ignored any questions but just kept elaborating on his spin that the missing email is the whole substance of the case against him. He is a very slippery customer indeed. The media seem to have accepted his spin that the heat is on Turnbull now to produce a document. Rudd is quite cocky and appears to have all bases covered.

The email is is not pivotal in this scandal. The real question is not whether the PM's' office put pressure on the Treasury to give Grant preferential treatment, but whether Rudd pressured the Treasurer to smooth the way for Grant. Which he subsequently did, and denied doing in Parliament.

Everything else is a red herring. Swan only has to sit tight. He has the wood on Rudd.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Barnaby Joyce said on radio this am....the investigations will turn up nothing...since the PM can direct where they look.....he said words to the affect...pm will send them looking in the bedroom....but not in the kitchen, because the stuff is in the kitchen......saw something else about excluding swan and his dept.....what the.....but swans in the centre stage of it....
and the krudd knows turnbull does not have anything...hence thats why he is asking turnbull for it....more smoke screens
has anybody asked the news reporter who supposedly has it...to hand it over .....no...why not....because he might...
its all smoke and mirrors...as usual...
what about the 60 odd unhappy staffers who have left the pm's office....
I am inclined to think...they are typical bully boys....forget about the truth...just bully your way out.....
and funny...they are wishing gillard was not overseas...sticking her nose into Israel...they call her a big gun....they want her to defend the other bullies back home...

Definitely more smoke and mirrors involved.

Have you ever thought that maybe the 60 staffers just weren't good enough Kincella?

 

[kincella]

half his staff within a year...thats a huge turnover...its more about the 'hissy fits' he has with his staff....and gillard is not far behind with about 10 less...same reason....
if staff do not give them the answers they want....forget about the truth...then a hissy fit ensures...and staff sacked or resign to avoid more fits..
actually you can see the results....every school receiving a gym....regardless if they already have one....forget about getting better teachers..etc
supposed to be about jobs....but the jobs are not going to locals...
almost everything they touched they have stuffed.
too busy doing photo shoots or overseas on trips...forget about any thing needing serious attention back here....its decisions made on the run at the spur of the moment..

 

[Calliope]

In SMH today Paul Sheehan has labelled Turnbull, Hockey and Pyne as the Bruiser,the Boof and the Bore. I have to agree. Rudd has good cause to be cocky.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/the-bruiser-the-boof-and-the-bore-20090621-csij.html?page=2

Pyne is part of a three-headed monster - the bruiser, the boof and the bore - that is never going to get traction against Kevin Rudd, no matter how many Labor mates they uncover who received very special treatment from the Prime Minister's chief surrogate, fall guy and Nambour High School mate, Treasurer Wayne Swan.

Because if the bruiser (Turnbull), the boof (shadow treasurer, Joe Hockey) and the bore (Pyne) represent the point of the sword of the Federal Opposition, it is a blunt instrument, a non-lethal weapon, the bluntest instrument the party has had in 13 years, which happens to be the time when Paul Keating departed and Peter Costello took control of the economy, and question time.

The bruiser, the boof and the bore look worse with Costello's pending departure, because the party has nowhere else to go for the foreseeable future, one reason why the Prime Minister is assiduously positioning himself to call an election for this November if he thinks it suits him best.

 

[MrBurns]

From nineMSN -

Mr Turnbull wants to hear more from the Treasury official who told a Senate inquiry on Friday that he could recall Mr Rudd's office making an initial representation on Mr Grant's behalf.

The official - Godwin Grech - was shut down by Labor senators and his own Treasury senior official, Mr Turnbull said.

"He wanted to say more about that email, but the minute he talked about it they jumped on him like a tonne of bricks and basically prevented him from giving his testimony," he told Macquarie Radio Network.

Nothing to hide eh ??? ROFL

I hope these creeps dont get away with this and yes I wish the Libs had more mongrel in them right now.

 

[skyQuake]

Anyone watching it now? Hilarious crapfest

 

[Quincy]

Treasury official's house raided over OzCar


The house of the public servant at the centre of the OzCar email scandal has been raided by investigators.

The ABC reports Australian Federal Police officers executed a search warrant on the South Canberra home of Treasury official Godwin Grech just before midday today.

AFP cars are parked outside the residence and IT specialists are believed to be investigating an email sent from Treasury to his home account.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/828312/ozcar-furore-set-to-dominate-parliament

11:49 AEST Mon Jun 22 2009

 

[kincella]

well they found the email...it came from treasury dept, well maybe grech was behind all this....bring it out to the open...take the blame...

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25670178-29277,00.html