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Has Clive Palmer gone loco?

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Who will Uncle Clive most closely resemble when all is said and done ?

Christopher Skase or Alan Bond ?
 
Every one wants a good hospital/education and a better shot at life. At the moment the other parties arent providing that. Infact its getting worse. Atleast palmer adresses these problems instead of playing the blame game and tells it how it is. Plus liberal and labour have been in power for far to long. Thw country needs new parties who will have a greater sense of pride and responsibility. Plus palmer probably has 10 times more life experience than the most of us here. If he is genuine about his actions then I believe he can do a great job.
 
Palmer does not have the interest of the nation at heart.....It is all about Palmer' interests.....Yes he has agreed to abolish the carbon tax because it cost him $6 million last year at the Townsville nickel refinery.....so why wouldn't he agree to it?....his tailing dams are over loaded and it could be an environmental hazard should we have an excessive amount of rain.....He wants to pump this toxic waste into the ocean of Townsville.....Two employees at the refinery have told me the tailing dams are have a large concentrate of iron ore and could be sold to a Japanese company so why doesn't he do it?

He bought his way into politics with a very vindictive agenda to destroy the Queensland Newman government and the Liberal Party.......he had one of his toys taken away from him and he spat the dummy.....Can you imagine the fun the Labor Party would have had, had Newman approved his coal mine and exclusive rail corridor to Port Palmer?...Palmer was then a life member of the Liberal Party.

He is running around with that fraud Al Gore because he knows if he invests money into Gore's ETS scams he could make more money for himself.

These two are tarred with the one brush and are not to be trusted.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...-us-back-in-2007/story-e6frg6zo-1226966956482
 
noco said:
Palmer does not have the interest of the nation at heart.....It is all about Palmer' interests.....Yes he has agreed to abolish the carbon tax because it cost him $6 million last year at the Townsville nickel refinery.....so why wouldn't he agree to it?

He bought his way into politics with a very vindictive agenda to destroy the Queensland Newman government and the Liberal Party.......he had one of his toys taken away from him and he spat the dummy.....Can you imagine the fun the Labor Party would have had, had Newman approved his coal mine and exclusive rail corridor?...Palmer was then a life member of the Liberal Party at the time.

He is running around with that fraud Al Gore because he knows if he invests money into Gore's ETS scams he could make more money for himself.

These two are tarred with the one brush and are not to be trusted.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...-us-back-in-2007/story-e6frg6zo-1226966956482
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I take it you would prefer that Clive votes to retain the Carbon Tax ?

Clive's proposal would appear to be a gift to the government. Replace the C.T. with a non binding agreement to introduce an ETS at some unspecified time which will probably never happen because it's unlikely other major economies will introduce an ETS. Why wouldn't the government go for it ?
 
SirRumpole said:
I take it you would prefer that Clive votes to retain the Carbon Tax ?

Clive's proposal would appear to be a gift to the government. Replace the C.T. with a non binding agreement to introduce an ETS at some unspecified time which will probably never happen because it's unlikely other major economies will introduce an ETS. Why wouldn't the government go for it ?
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Why would you assume that I would prefer to see the carbon tax remain?

I want to see it go in order to save pensioners and hard working families $550 a year......THE Green/Labor socialist left wing wants to increase the cost of living when the carbon dioxide tax goes up by 5% on the 1st of July.

Rumpy, the word A-S-S-U-M-E makes an ASS out of YOU and ME.
 
Who says ethics pays off in a business. Is there such a thing as a rich honest business man? That doesnt mean that his political agenda is purely financial. "Thats your responsibility as a himan being - to constantly updating your positions on as many things as possible. And if you dont contradict yourself on a regular basis your not thinking" haha
 
Ethics does paid off. I know a few very successful businessmen that have very good ethics.
To name some famous CEOs with high ethics - Brian McNamee and Geoff Harvey.
In fact I would go so far to say that businessmen with low ethics are more likely to fail.
 
noco said:
I want to see it go in order to save pensioners and hard working families $550 a year......THE Green/Labor socialist left wing wants to increase the cost of living when the carbon dioxide tax goes up by 5% on the 1st of July.
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You need to stop repeating another lie from Abbott that $550 a year will be saved from abolishing the carbon tax.

Consumers are being told not to expect a big windfall gain in their power bill if the carbon tax is repealed.
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The carbon is in the order of cents per day so 20, 30, 50 cents a day is carbon in an electricity bill so that's the kind of numbers you'll see come out the other side
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Mr Warren says it is difficult to give an estimate of how much people will save, because it depends on which state or territory they live in and how intense their electricity use is.

"So we've already seen numbers like 8 per cent in Queensland, 7 per cent in Tasmania, that sort of order of magnitude," he said.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-26/modest-power-bill-cuts-if-carbon-tax-abolished/5550468

So the complete over estimate for savings on the average South Aus bill of $2300 at 8% would be $184 but that is using 8% on the whole bill and not just the usage component and doesn't take into account that South Aus produce a lot of energy from low carbon options, so it would be much lower but blows Abbotts $550 out of the water.

I find it strange Noco that you're so concerned about hard working family's which are much worse off from this budget that you seem to endorse than the carbon tax is/was. The GP co payment won't hit pensioners as hard as the carbon tax but is still something I would have thought you would be against to save those poor pensioners given your concerns.



Abbott is so concerned about the cost of living from the carbon tax yet he still wants to reduce or axe the renewable energy target yet Government modeling shows that consumers will actually be better off keeping the target as it will lower energy prices. This was not the result the government was looking for and does not fit in with his reasoning to scrap the carbon tax.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...f-ret-stays-20140624-zskbd.html#ixzz35aZT5283
 
A few years ago,nearly ten,I owned shares in Pacific Hydro... a company into hydro electricity and wind farms.I consequently took interest in the RET.
After John Howard said that he would do nothing to disadvantage the coal industry the writing was on the wall and Pacific Hydro sold out to a union fund ,from memory.
Something tells me that Tony Abbott's agenda is the same,and has nothing to do with returning money to the Australian people.
I wonder how much the coal industry donated to the LNP?
They do not want one tonne of coal left in the ground ,I believe.
And how much has been spent on carbon sequestration research over the years?
 
knobby im just being sarcastic. It does but it doesn't. In reality our whole economic model might not be the right one. We can function off a non-profit model and whose to say the world might not be better off.
My point is life is not black and white. Its grey and people on here acting like they have all the answers figured out. You know when ill listen to everything you got to say (not directed at any one in particular), when you can show me some of your credentials regarding your life achievements (hopefully its in the multi millions haha)
 
SirRumpole said:
I take it you would prefer that Clive votes to retain the Carbon Tax ?

Clive's proposal would appear to be a gift to the government. Replace the C.T. with a non binding agreement to introduce an ETS at some unspecified time which will probably never happen because it's unlikely other major economies will introduce an ETS. Why wouldn't the government go for it ?
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I though this option of keeping the Tax and setting it to zero an absolute political master stroke by Clive.
 
IFocus said:
I though this option of keeping the Tax and setting it to zero an absolute political master stroke by Clive.
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That then would make him a more astute political operator than either Julia Gillard or Kevin Rudd.

From what saw yesterday, Clive will vote with the Coalition to abolish the existing carbon tax but will also introduce legislation through the Senate for an emissions trading scheme. If that's the case, the latter would require support by the Coalition in the house of reps.

Clive is just flapping with the wind. Also of note, it's what the carbon tax rats are left with to cling to.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-...rs-defence-of-climate-change-agencies/5553214
 
IFocus said:
I though this option of keeping the Tax and setting it to zero an absolute political master stroke by Clive.
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Yes, he has successfully wedged all the other parties whilst entirely serving his own interests in ensuring the carbon tax goes.
 
And has the only "other" party available-> will get (with good reason) the protest vote of many of the 90% of australians who are not represented by either the labour/green or the "Liberal".
Some people , as supprising as it may come for the dual parties are neither union employed nor sucking tax benefits under the pretence of doing business (or managing their super to please Syd :eek:).
IMHO, this is very dangerous, this is the situation which brought Hitler in power: incompetence and rort from major parties leading to deep profund distruss into the supposely democratic process.
Or even "real hate" as per tea party in the US.
But who am i to know....
 
darkhorse70 said:
http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2012/s3507793.htm

This is why I voted for this guy. CAUSE HE KEEPS IT REAL. U CAN RELATE. HE ACTS LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING. He doesn't act like something his not
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LOL

He has a great ability to serve his own interests while being populist at the same time.

He won't be on the forefront of big ideas that are good for the country, but politically unpopular. Populism ensures he gets re-elected to cream off the most that he can for himself.
 
darkhorse70 said:
http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2012/s3507793.htm

This is why I voted for this guy. CAUSE HE KEEPS IT REAL. U CAN RELATE. HE ACTS LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING. He doesn't act like something his not
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Richo sums up Palmer as the greatest media manipulator.......After all he was Joh Bjelke-Petersen's chief press officer for some years so he certainly knows how to feed the chooks in ABC and Fairfax.

What is more baffling is how he is plyting with Al Gore......I am sure Gore has no idea who he is dealing with........obviously he has been sucked in to thinking Palmer will be an asset in the promotion of his ETS business of trading carbon credits.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...threering-circus/story-fnfenwor-1226968095468
 

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