michael_selway
Coal & Phosphate, thats it!
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bunyip said:Folks
I've come late to this discussion, having only joined the forum about two weeks ago.
For the last nine months or so you've been discussing Gunns fundamentals, forming opinions about the company's future prospects and future stock price direction, and some of you have been taking positions here and there.
What intrigues me is that the stock has been in a clearly defined downtrend for most of this time. Sure its put in a some rallies along the way, but these rallies have been within the context of a clearly defined weekly downtrend.
So my question to you all is this......why the heck do you buy downtrending stocks?
I guess your answer would be something along the lines of "Because the stock will go up sooner of later if it's fundamentals are good".
And my response would be...."Maybe, maybe not - but why not buy stocks that are strongly uptrending RIGHT NOW, rather than stocks that may or may not uptrend at some time in the future".
Except for the hiccup back in October, the overall market has been strongly bullish over the 9 months or so that you've been discussing GNS. In a strong bull market there are dozens, even hundreds of stocks that are powering upward in nice sustainable uptrends. It doesn't take a university degree to figure out that these stocks are likely to perform much better than a downtrender like GNS.
Another case in point is CMQ, which is discussed in a different thread on this forum. This thread was started in 2004 when CMQ was above $2 but was in a powerful downtrend. Without going into details, suffice to say that some of our members appeared keen on this stock for a variety of fundamental reasons.
Someone said he considered it a buy below $2.
The stock has downtrended pretty much ever since and is now trading at around 48c.
This shows what can happen if you buy downtrending stocks because you think they're fundamentally sound or undervalued.
The fact is that neither you nor I nor anyone else knows the price at which a stock is good buying. The brokers don't know either, in spite of their highly paid research analysts.
Our opinion about the future direction of a stock is completely irrelevant UNLESS the market agrees with us. Likewise, our opinion of what is 'good value' or 'fair value' is irrelevant if the market doesn't agree with us.
Downtrends tend to continue longer than we expect, as do uptrends. Therefore it stands to reason that a downtrender carries larger loss potential than we thought, and an uptrender carries greater profit potential than we thought.
Here is one of the most profit-enhancing pieces of advice that any trader or investor can ever embrace.........
"Don't spend your time searching for stocks that you think will go up at some time in the future. Focus your efforts instead on finding those that are already going up RIGHT NOW."
Bunyip
Hi Bunyip, interesting point
IMO, following the trend is only good around the beginning of a bull market. When the market is "toppy", like now All Ords 5000+, u should look for stocks that have been hit bad which may give a better return (if "fundamentals" are still good) over stocks that are uptrending
Btw do u think GTP and EXL are "clearly defined downtrending" stocks?
thx
MS