Global Warming - How Valid and Serious?

[IFocus]

the EU will eventually go down

And wars will resume.........

 

[explod]

Who are you Plod? Cathy Newman?

Fortunately, in the real world, basilio's Gestapo is a small minority and will be obliterated if they get too far out of line.

In the real world, Trump will win again, the EU will eventually go down and sensible people will successfully mitigate whatever changes the climate cycles through.

Millenials will reach their 50's and be utterly embarrassed that they were had.

"There is a common misconception among newer activists in the liberty movement that the idea of the “false left/right paradigm” means that there is no political spectrum; that the entire notion of left vs right is a fabrication. This is not exactly the case. When we talk about false paradigms in regards to politics (or geopolitics), what we are actually referring to is the elitist class, otherwise known as globalists, and the fact that they have no left or right political orientation. They do not care about Democrats or Republicans, they have no loyalty to either party. Their loyalty is to their own agenda, and they will exploit BOTH sides to get what they want whenever possible."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-18/smith-examination-leftist-cult-and-their-religion

 

[wayneL]

"There is a common misconception among newer activists in the liberty movement that the idea of the “false left/right paradigm” means that there is no political spectrum; that the entire notion of left vs right is a fabrication. This is not exactly the case. When we talk about false paradigms in regards to politics (or geopolitics), what we are actually referring to is the elitist class, otherwise known as globalists, and the fact that they have no left or right political orientation. They do not care about Democrats or Republicans, they have no loyalty to either party. Their loyalty is to their own agenda, and they will exploit BOTH sides to get what they want whenever possible."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-18/smith-examination-leftist-cult-and-their-religion

Oh 100% agree with you plod, I mentioned this several times myself on here. However we cannot ignore the fact that the globalists are going by the Fabian Society playbook and have been so for decades now.

Socialism facilitates the globalist agenda, particularly the society destroying radical social agenda bwing enforced at the moment.

Climate change alarmism plays into that rather nicely also.

@IFocus I doubt it. The number of nukes floating around should ensure the only wars in Europe are civil (very real possibility *because of EU policy), or trade.

 

[IFocus]

@IFocus I doubt it. The number of nukes floating around should ensure the only wars in Europe are civil (very real possibility *because of EU policy), or trade.

If I remember rightly one of the drivers for the EU was to contain Germany which it has done nicely militarily even though it dominates economically still a better out come.

Some thing not discussed by the Brexit pushers should the Brits leave.

The current nut case conservative politics we see now used to be about war some thing not far off I suspect.

 

[basilio]

Gobal warming is melting the glaciers in the Himalayan Mountains at an accelerating pace.
Effects on the Indian sub continent will be catastrophic.

Cold War spy satellite images show Himalayan glaciers are melting fast
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The once-classified spy satellite images provide crucial missing evidence to scientists.
(NRO via AP)
Cold War-era spy satellite images are showing scientists that glaciers on the Himalayas are now melting about twice as fast as they used to.

The Asian mountain range, which includes Mount Everest, has been losing ice at a rate of about 1 per cent a year since 2000, according to a study published on Wednesday in the journal Science Advances.

"The amount of ice [lost] is scary but what is much more scary is the doubling of the melt rate," said Josh Maurer, a glacier researcher at Columbia University's Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory and lead author of the study.

.. the loss of the ice means current and future disruptions of water supplies — both surges and shortages — for the hundreds of millions of people in the region who rely on it for hydropower, agriculture and drinking, said study co-author Jorg Schaefer, a climate geochemistry professor at Columbia.

"Disaster is in the making here," Mr Schaefer said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06...are-melting-fast/11226838?section=environment

 

[wayneL]

If I remember rightly one of the drivers for the EU was to contain Germany which it has done nicely militarily even though it dominates economically still a better out come.

Some thing not discussed by the Brexit pushers should the Brits leave.

The current nut case conservative politics we see now used to be about war some thing not far off I suspect.

Any wars will be defensive against the lunatic left ;-)

 

[basilio]

Any wars will be defensive against the lunatic left ;-)

Of course they will. They will follow the current US/Trump policy premptive strike policy. Anyone who doesn't agree with Trumps dictates is a danger to the the US and needs to be dealt with accordingly...

 

[wayneL]

Of course they will. They will follow the current US/Trump policy premptive strike policy. Anyone who doesn't agree with Trumps dictates is a danger to the the US and needs to be dealt with accordingly...

Ah yes, I forgot.... Cheetoh Hitler bad

 

[basilio]

Back to reality. How global heating is affecting the world.

Taps run dry in India’s sixth biggest city as millions contend with water crisis
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/techno...s/news-story/f8044e522048a78e53ff97412839f762

 

[basilio]

Don't know how many times it has to said for the penny to drop but CC will have a huge impact on business. Understanding and dealing with that certainty should be top of corporate governance.

Businesses that ignore climate change could face 'Kodak moment', warns APRA
By senior business correspondent Peter Ryan
Updated yesterday at 3:34pm

Photo: A 'Kodak moment" refers to the film giant that failed to see the rapid rise of the digital world. (Reuters: Stefan Wermuth)
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Climate change pain is inevitable with the only question being "how much and when", a top prudential regulator has warned.

Key points:

• Senior APRA official Geoff Summerhayes says it is clear that climate change financial risks are now "orthodox economic thinking"
• Mr Summerhayes says "government spending decisions may need to be reprioritised" to spread the costs of climate change
• NAB chairman and former Treasury secretary Ken Henry says Australia will move to 100pc renewable electricity by mid-century, even without a carbon price

Australian Prudential Regulation Authority executive Geoff Summerhayes said businesses that ignore climate change risks could confront their own "Kodak moment", referring to the film giant that failed to foresee the rapid rise of the digital world and went into bankruptcy protection.

"Companies that delay or avoid adjusting to new economic realities, no matter how famous or successful, can quickly find themselves on the verge of a Kodak moment," Mr Summerhayes warned an insurance conference in Singapore.

Mr Summerhayes said the warnings about foreseeable and potentially catastrophic climate change as a first-order economic risk were no longer limited to fringe groups and environmentalists but now include conservative bodies, such as the Reserve Bank of Australia, APRA and corporate regulator ASIC.

"When a central bank, a prudential regulator and a conduct regulator, with barely a hipster beard or hemp shirt between them, start warning that climate change is a financial risk, it's clear that position is now orthodox economic thinking," he said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06...could-face-collapse/11235142?section=business

 

[cogs]

Is this Global Warming or Climate Change?

https://www.news.com.au/technology/...t/news-story/50906eac539b4fa9303ae95302b7f36b
Record breaking cold weather hits Australia’s south east
The mercury in the NSW town, close to the Murray River, sank to -5.6C early on Sunday morning — that’s the coldest it’s been for 110 years.

It was even more icy further north as winter records were broken across NSW and Victoria — some towns recorded their coldest morning ever.

It’s so freezing, the NSW Fire and Rescue Service has been forced to warn people not to fire up barbecues indoors.

 

[rederob]

Is this Global Warming or Climate Change?

Weather is not climate.
Record highs and lows are set somewhere every day. This links to the last week, across the globe.

 

[qldfrog]

https://whyclimatechanges.com/impossible/
I did not go in the fine details, but as i personally believe that co2 or methane is not a cause of GW but a consequence,
that climate change exists ans most probably human based,
that any y12 student can find that fossil energy released since the industrial revolution can easily explain a few degrees of atmosphere heating,
I find interesting the notion that ozone layer destruction could actually be the cause.and it is true that the uv energy hitting earth instead of bouncing is quite enormous.

Sadly, no way to tax the destruction of the ozone layer in the west for the globalists, so lets stop eating meat, boo the western cars and be blind to overpopulation or real environmental problems

 

[qldfrog]

Also read an interesting article about Himalayan glaciers losses, explaining how soot is darkening the glaciers and melting them at an ever increasing rate
Indian industrialisation mostly
For anyone who has seen snow melting, they will easily understand that problem as snow gets dirtier and dirtier..so blacker as it melts..
But let's blame GW anyway and tax your car in Australia to save these glaciers

 

[rederob]

I did not go in the fine details, but as i personally believe that co2 or methane is not a cause of GW but a consequence ...

If you cannot show that to be so, why keep repeating it? There is no science supporting your "belief."

Sadly, no way to tax the destruction of the ozone layer in the west for the globalists...

That issue was resolved many years ago by an instrument similar in nature to the Paris Agreement.

 

[cogs]

Weather is not climate.
Record highs and lows are set somewhere every day. This links to the last week, across the globe.

So to answer my question then, you would say it is neither?
And yes correct it should be weather, and this should apply to all and any other references there are, and have been, to any weather related media (and other) which pull short term weather related events referring them to 'Climate Change'.
This forum discussion alone references record hot temperatures occurring etc.

Climate changes every second of every day. It is an indisputable cleverly chosen title.

 

[So_Cynical]

Interesting video - Bill Gates-Backed Carbon Capture Plant Does The Work Of 40 Million Trees, BHP funding it as well.
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[rederob]

So to answer my question then, you would say it is neither?

No!

Climate changes every second of every day. It is an indisputable cleverly chosen title.

That's weather.
You are not good at this are you?

 

[qldfrog]

interesting, until we realise co2 is not actually the problem, I am also a bit suspicious on how on hell we will find enough calcium..and to have a close cycle, we would need to release and store the co2//mission impossible
Nonwithstanding the fact the west would of course foot the bill via more taxes, decreasing even further our competitivity vs China belting co2 like an addicted smoker
The chineses are still ROL

 

[qldfrog]

@Smurf1976 ,@explod ,@wayneL
If you want to have a scientific approach on global warming, why not have a look at this beauty
http://click2.rumrebellion.club/t/FA/lPU/AAGrTA/AAgAHg/wmc/ABWVnw/AQ/mCxC
Finland research released recently explaining why the alarmist reports are just BS and human/CO2 effect is no where near as important as brainwashed into people
Any real scientist should have some doubts as to the co2 claims,if only considering the levels were so much higher in the far past when earth was actually creating these coal deposits
These types of research reinforce my conviction we are led in a Cabal
Co2 is the least of our concern, but overpopulation, biodiversity collapse are much bigger threaths.
Renewable are good, if only because fossil fuels are limited and getting harder to get, but there is no need for the west to commit suicide for no reason.
Might also explain why China does not give a hoot