Global Warming - How Valid and Serious?

[moXJO]

Yes - lots of data to confirm it.
No, we are measuring the whole population - rich and poor, just like every other country which has rich and poor.
How about the typical cop out from those who keep forgetting that until the 1990s China's CO2 footprint was barely figuring in CO2 emissions. In other words, the western world had a 200 year head start "industrialising" and folk like you want to blame China because it still has not caught up?
Agreed - it's formidable.
And here's the thing that everyone keeps missing. The western world keeps relocating massive manufacturing capacity to China, or wants cheap Chinese products, and somehow now wants China to be responsible for the consequent energy requirements imposed. Put another way, had westernised economies not sent their manufacturing needs offshore, their emissions would be considerably higher, and China's massively lower.

Whats the way forward for Australia in your opinion?

For me personally I'd rather see fortification of our country and economy first. By that I mean food security, health considerations (eg more shading against UV, temperature management) water security, Changed building codes, etc.

I'd rather see a fast track in risk mitigation, rather then fast tracking renewables and carbon minimization. Only because I think its too late to slow carbon at this stage. And we have a minimal effect.

 

[wayneL]

If this flurry of posts does not inducate a paid propagandist at work, I don't know what does.... Bas gets busted for his own unsustainable lifestyle and megalithic hypocrisy, and answers wirh an avalanche of alarmism, at least 75% of which is debunked.

Not to mention his purulent and putrid misrepresentation of those who hold moderate opinions.

Absolutely dishonest, at best.

 

[rederob]

If this flurry of posts does not inducate a paid propagandist at work, I don't know what does.... Bas gets busted for his own unsustainable lifestyle and megalithic hypocrisy, and answers wirh an avalanche of alarmism, at least 75% of which is debunked.
Not to mention his purulent and putrid misrepresentation of those who hold moderate opinions.
Absolutely dishonest, at best.

I suspect there are lots of things you do not know about, but keep posting on. Climate change would be a huge area where your posts suggest gross ignorance.
There are very few claims I have ever seen you make which are supported with actual evidence that show you are on the right track.
I reckon if I said 99% of your post was worthless, it would be as accurate as your "75% of which is debunked." And I reckon I could prove it.
You appear to have mastered "dishonesty" here.

 

[basilio]

Does the heading of this thread suggest its remit.? Global Warming - How valid how serious ?
Pointing out just how serious global warming is, our role of humans in what is happening and its effects across all counties and the whole ecosystem seems on song.

So lets see what else is happening .

Global temperature change attributable to external factors, new study confirms
Date:
May 22, 2019
Source:
University of Oxford
Summary:
Researchers have confirmed that human activity and other external factors are responsible for the rise in global temperature.
Researchers at the University of Oxford have confirmed that human activity and other external factors are responsible for the rise in global temperature. While this has been the consensus of the scientific community for a long time, uncertainty remained around how natural ocean-cycles might be influencing global warming over the course of multiple decades. The answer we can now give is: very little to none.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190522120501.htm

 

[basilio]

Extreme heat to hit one third of the African urban population
Date:
June 5, 2019
Source:
Université de Genève
Summary:
An international team of researchers has combined demographic projections and climate scenarios across Africa for the first time. Their results reveal the number of people who will potentially be exposed to extreme temperatures.
Climate change, population growth and urbanisation are instrumental in increasing exposure to extreme temperatures. Researchers at the University of Geneva (UNIGE), Switzerland, -- in collaboration with the University of Twente (Netherlands) and the EU Joint Research Centre in Ispra (Italy) -- assessed a range of possible scenarios regarding the rate of climate change and socio-economic development in 173 African cities for the years 2030, 2060 and 2090. Their results, which are published in the journal Earth's Future, show that a third of African city-dwellers could be affected by deadly heat waves in 2090. The projections also highlight the influence of socio-economic development on the impact of climate change.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/06/190605100340.htm

 

[basilio]

No end in sight as record flooding in Midwest, Southeast persists
The continental U.S. has had its 12 soggiest months since modern record-keeping began.

Kyla Mandel May 31, 2019, 3:50 pm

Historic flooding continues to saturate large stretches of land across the Midwest and Southeast United States. And with swollen rivers and reservoirs, more rain in the forecast, and an administration working to undo environmental protections, the impacts to communities, crops, infrastructure, and the economy are expected to be severe.

On Friday, just after midnight, a levee near Dardanelle, Arkansas, breached and, come morning, water from the Arkansas River was gushing through a 40-foot hole in the barrier, forcing some residents to evacuate.

Over the next week to 10 days, major or record flooding will hit every large community along the Arkansas River, the National Weather Service warned earlier this week. This flooding comes from past weeks of heavy rain which is testing the limits of aging levee infrastructure and putting crops at risk. And more heavy rain is on its way.

At the same time, every county in Oklahoma is currently in a state of emergency. And flooding in at least eight states along the Mississippi River is now the longest-lasting since the Great Flood of 1927.

In Vicksburg, Mississippi, the river has been above flood stage (the level required to cause areas not normally underwater to flood) since February 17 — over three months ago. And Baton Rouge, Louisiana, has been above flood stage since early January.
https://thinkprogress.org/flood-arkansas-mississippi-oklahoma-climate-ef9fb99e9ef6/

 

[basilio]

Austin is proving that cities in conservative states can lead on climate action
This month, the capital of Texas voted to support the Green New Deal.

E.A. Crunden May 29, 2019, 2:47 pm

AUSTIN, TEXAS — This month, the capital of Texas threw its support behind the Green New Deal resolution, a bold proposal that aims to tackle both climate change and social inequities in one fell swoop. In supporting the resolution, lawmakers and advocates hope Austin can lead the way for other cities in Republican-controlled states to chart their own path.

Turning the symbolism of supporting the Green New Deal into concrete action will take significant work, however, even as the city advances new policies to mitigate and prepare for the impacts of climate change. And unlike cities in states largely controlled by Democrats, Austin is embracing the Green New Deal in a deeply conservative state dominated by the fossil fuel industry.

“As we’ve seen throughout the country, sometimes things can start from the local level,” Cyrus Reed, conservation director for the Sierra Club’s Texas chapter, told ThinkProgress. “Having a city express support is important. But to get beyond the symbolism, we’d have to decide, how do you actually come up with a plan?”

The city’s endorsement of the federal resolution, introduced by Council Member Leslie Pool, was part of two environmental proposals unanimously approved by the city council earlier this month. The other, proposed by Council Member Alison Alter, creates a comprehensive electric vehicle (EV) plan that will be part of the city’s forthcoming climate plan update. Local environmental advocates said the real victory lies in that proposal, along with the main instruction from Pool’s resolution, which calls for crafting a climate resilience plan and hiring a chief resilience officer.

“The Council recognizes we are already experiencing the adverse consequences of climate change, understands the urgency of creating a blueprint to prepare for and respond to the shocks and stressors of catastrophic climate events, and supports the general tenets of the Green New Deal,” the resolution states.

https://thinkprogress.org/austin-texas-green-new-deal-climate-action-e6f336ef11d3/

 

[rederob]

Whats the way forward for Australia in your opinion?

I am optimistic about the opportunities available to mitigate emissions, but global political will is not strong.
My view is that for Australia, at least, simple energy economics will prevail, and by 2030 we will be literally an energy powerhouse. Opportunities to produce and sell Hydrogen via renewables can be a game changer.

I'd rather see a fast track in risk mitigation, rather then fast tracking renewables and carbon minimization. Only because I think its too late to slow carbon at this stage. And we have a minimal effect.

Renewables but, more critically, grid scale batteries are the likely solution to mitigate warming effects, so I can't see how you separate the two concepts.
The idea that any one country makes no difference overlooks the fact that emissions are cumulative. It's the very thinking that got us to where we are, globally.

For me personally I'd rather see ... food security, health considerations (eg more shading against UV, temperature management) water security, Changed building codes, etc.

Me too.

 

[basilio]

Why India needs to worry about climate change

• 25 October 2018

A report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has warned of disastrous consequences if current trends of global warming are not reversed immediately. Aayushi Awasthy from the University of East Anglia's Energy and Resources Institute explains why this has particular consequences for India and South Asia.

The IPCC report, which was released earlier this month, has been called the most extensive warning yet on the risks of rising global temperatures.

The report says that the impact of a 1.5C increase in global temperatures will "disproportionately affect disadvantaged and vulnerable populations through food insecurity, higher food prices, income losses, lost livelihood opportunities, adverse health impacts, and population displacements".

India stands to be one of the nations most significantly affected, given its huge population and levels of inequality and poverty.

If exposed to the kind of destabilisation the report talks about, the impact on India could be devastating - not just socially but also politically.

• IPCC: Climate scientists consider 'life changing' report

For one, sea level rise will have a disastrous impact on the country, given its large coastline, and the number of people who live close to and depend on the sea for their livelihoods.
On the other hand, deadly heatwaves - similar to one in 2015 that killed thousands of people in India and Pakistan - could soon become the norm, with the eastern Indian city of Kolkata (Calcutta) and the southern Pakistani city of Karachi likely to be the worst affected.

And while the report says that it is not too late to reverse rising temperatures and minimise some of the harm, it will not be easy to do for countries in South Asia, which are largely developing economies with limited resources.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-45949323

 

[basilio]

Every one of Europe’s 571 cities is destined for worse heat waves, droughts, or floods
By Zoë SchlangerFebruary 22, 2018

A new analysis of climate change across Europe found that under several probable future climate scenarios, European cities will be hit harder by floods, droughts, and heat waves than previously understood.

A study published Tuesday in the journal Environmental Research Letters used all available climate models to assess what is likeliest to happen to Europe under a scenario in which the world fails to dramatically reduce carbon emissions, while population continues to grow. That scenario—dubbed RCP8.5 in scientific literature—is often pointed to as a proxy for a worst-case (though still absolutely possible) future emissions scenario, in which temperatures increase 2.6°C to 4.8°C from the 1850–1900 global average by 2050-2100.

In that scenario, there can be a lot of variation in how climate systems respond, so the researchers tested what would happen to European cities in low-, medium-, and high-impact climate outcomes. In every outcome, Europe gets battered by more intense droughts, floods, and heat waves.

https://qz.com/1212443/climate-chan...ined-for-worse-heat-waves-droughts-or-floods/

 

[rederob]

Pointing out just how serious global warming is, our role of humans in what is happening and its effects across all counties and the whole ecosystem seems on song.

Does that mean we can stop paying you to post, or need to pay you more because it's so serious?
You have confused me Bas.
Or did wayneL just make it up?

 

[basilio]

Renewables but, more critically, grid scale batteries are the likely solution to mitigate warming effects, so I can't see how you separate the two concepts.
The idea that any one country makes no difference overlooks the fact that emissions are cumulative. It's the very thinking that got us to where we are, globally.

At the moment we have to face what is already happening climate wise and then climate change that is locked in regardless of our efforts.
Moxjo points make sense. We also have to ensure that solutions also reduce ongoing Greenhouse Gases to somehow rein in what will will otherwise be a completely catastrophic situation.
And somehow the public has to come onboard with the need for such action and the costs they will entail..

 

[basilio]

Does that mean we can stop paying you to post, or need to pay you more because it's so serious?
You have confused me Bas.
Or did wayneL just make it up?

I do like to encourage Wayne's "creativity" and highly individual dexterity with reality.
And rather than me just banging on about CC and its effects I thought "Why not spend 5 minutes on the net and demonstrate how many places are being affected by CC and where this going".

And YES I get paid hundreds of dollars a post to propagate the brazen lies of the world fake scientists, fake news and fake death reports. That makes total sense doesn't it ?

 

[basilio]

And we know now what the dread was we felt in December. Call it climate change or climate collapse, that was the Big Dread behind the smaller ones. Climate believers, climate deniers, deep in our hearts we think it will happen somewhere else. Or, in some other time, in 2025 or 2040 or next year. But we are here to tell you, in this postcard from the former paradise, that it won’t happen next year, or somewhere else. It will happen right where you live and it could happen today. No one will be spared.

So, if you are driving around and flying on airplanes and ordering things to be shipped by truck and making money off oil stock the way so many of us are – like there’s no tomorrow? We are here to tell you there is a tomorrow and we are living in it.

If you visit, talk to us as if our dose of mega-reality is not some singular string of bad luck or an inconvenience to you. Help tether us to the reality we are – all of us – living in now and that we in southern California don’t want to forget in the face of returning to “normal”. Give us the one gift that will help us: please, let’s not go back to business as usual.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...lifornia-climate-change-fires-flood-landslide

 

[wayneL]

I do like to encourage Wayne's "creativity" and highly individual dexterity with reality.
And rather than me just banging on about CC and its effects I thought "Why not spend 5 minutes on the net and demonstrate how many places are being affected by CC and where this going".

And YES I get paid hundreds of dollars a post to propagate the brazen lies of the world fake scientists, fake news and fake death reports. That makes total sense doesn't it ?

Amusingly, I think you even believe the lies you create to justify your rage.

An interesting study in psychopathology.

 

[basilio]

Amusingly, I think you even believe the lies you create to justify your rage.

An interesting study in psychopathology . ????

No probs. I'll send you a postcard when you reach China. Just let us know where you surface..

Keep digging!!

 

[rederob]

An interesting study in psychopathology.

You probably have the record for the most inappropriate use of words in the forum.
"Psychopathology" is the study.
Your other record is the most posts having nothing to do with a thread's topic.

Back on topic, weather events of themselves are difficult to ascribe to climate. However, less difficult is that what was expected by way of seasonal weather events (aka climate) is more variable. Seasons are not starting and ending as expected, leading to land use changes.

The other reality of physics is that weather events are being driven by greater energy than before. So the prospect of increased intensity of an event will continue to rise. It may not mean that we have, for example, more cyclones. But when they do occur there is a good chance that they will do more damage because not only will they be drawing more energy from warmer oceans, the extra energy will make them longer-lived. More rain-sodden ground combined with stronger winds create an insurer's nightmare.

 

[SirRumpole]

For me personally I'd rather see fortification of our country and economy first. By that I mean food security, health considerations (eg more shading against UV, temperature management) water security, Changed building codes, etc.

Pink batts perhaps ?

 

[qldfrog]

Whats the way forward for Australia in your opinion?

For me personally I'd rather see fortification of our country and economy first. By that I mean food security, health considerations (eg more shading against UV, temperature management) water security, Changed building codes, etc.

I'd rather see a fast track in risk mitigation, rather then fast tracking renewables and carbon minimization. Only because I think its too late to slow carbon at this stage. And we have a minimal effect.

Once again, you say it better than i would.we might be twins in a parallel universe.but indeed, we as a country can affect zip, so if we truly believe the alarmist predictions, then we need to strengthen our country.

 

[Knobby22]

Michael Bloomberg to spend $500 mil of his own money to help close down coal power plants in the USA for the cause of climate change.

That will put him on the alt right hate list.