Global Warming - How Valid and Serious?

[qldfrog]

And how will he do it? Brainwashing people to organise rally or will he put his money in building green power station
Last i heard he was pushing for gas
During this interlude, a few facts
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thecon...7-billion-tonnes-in-2018-a-record-high-108041
And
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-primary-energy

 

[qldfrog]

Just saying, so if sea rise is actually expected with a co2 caused global warming, better build sea walls

 

[brisman]

According to Dr. Miskolczi's research, increases in CO2 levels have not increased the global-average absorbing power of the atmosphere. His peer reviewed research has not been refuted by his former employer NASA, just ignored. Current CO2 levels are well below levels the earth has had before our species. So it is not terrifying.

 

[rederob]

According to Dr. Miskolczi's research, increases in CO2 levels have not increased the global-average absorbing power of the atmosphere.

Very true - when you add more CO2 you get more CO2. That's not rocket science is it?

Current CO2 levels are well below levels the earth has had before our species.

True - when there was no human life on the planet there were times that CO2 levels were higher. However, that's not the case in the past million years or so:

... if sea rise is actually expected with a co2 caused global warming, better build sea walls

Sea levels have been rising for well over a hundred years. Here's a chart showing accurate levels since altimetry:

Ask the Dutch how much they will be spending on raising their sea walls if you think it's easy.

 

[kahuna1]

Dr. Miskolczi

Your seriously quoting someone from Heartland institute climate denial blog ?

The Heartland Institute is a Chicago-based free market think tank and 501(c)(3) charity that has been at the forefront of denying the scientific evidence for man-made climate change. The Heartland Institute has received at least $676,500 from ExxonMobil since 1998 but no longer discloses its funding sources. The Union of Concerned Scientists found (PDF) that “Nearly 40% of the total funds that the Heartland Institute has received from ExxonMobil since 1998 were specifically designated for climate change projects

https://www.desmogblog.com/heartland-institute

Oh and with them Koch Brothers involved.

Why ?

Why would any sane person refer to any of their information as being anything other than stupid ?

I note from the survey on this thread ... we have about 50% who believe the Earth is flat, that NASA never went to the moon and Donald Trump is the second coming and his view that climate change does not include the USA because they have "Crystal clear" Air .... is amusing and delusional.

Then again he is at the moment testing his chemistry with the Queen who just turned age 93 in April.

It was instant, according to him, shows what a great lady she is to convince a buffoon she is not thinking he is an imbecile.

People will believe what they wish, until it occurs to them. So with climate change, speaking about effects exponentially getting worse over the next 50-100 years, is easily discarded because it is not effecting them and their lives. Maybe, maybe, they should not breed ? Trump sadly did and took all his spawn to the UK. All of them even his girlfriend, Ivanka.

HE saw not protests, no protestors, all 75,000 of them, no logic in Prince Charles I am sure impassioned talk about climate change and he walked out of the meeting as stupid as when he walked in.

Pity the poor Americans. Let alone the those fleeing the two most dangerous nations in the region. One with the highest murder rate in the world, the other with the highest crime rate and they flee .... or used to, North into Mexico then the USA. Now even that exit is blocked.

Funny old world we live in where ... common sense, science and even logic take a back seat. In the latter case, its not the Mexicans trying to get to the USA, its two nations further south in utter turmoil. USA response, much like climate change was to CUT aid to them, then try and blackmail Mexico into some trade deal which they already had agreed to try and do more to stop the immigrants.

Meanwhile, the USA floods, white stupid America remains glued to FOX news. Trump remains with one hand on his twitter, sitting on the dunny watching Fox news with a burger in each hand. Strange .... why is Ivanka in there ?;;;;; EWWW

We sadly are being led by this buffoon. HE is OUR President after all, he is our dear leader. Meanwhile Arctic Ice hit an all time April low, and a low measured since 1979 by satellites, but then again, climate deniers even dispute this. They dispute it all.

Go watch FOX and enjoy !!

 

[qldfrog]

My own view is that co2 increase is a consequence not a cause, not been convince by any hard facts.
Some global warming is caused by human activity, abd basically population increase has reached a stage where we are too numerous and f up the planet.the focus on co2 is a distraction and probably a fatal one

 

[rederob]

My own view is that co2 increase is a consequence not a cause, not been convince by any hard facts.
Some global warming is caused by human activity, abd basically population increase has reached a stage where we are too numerous and f up the planet.the focus on co2 is a distraction and probably a fatal one

Yes, lots of people are ignorant of climate science.
While the issues of population growth are quite independent of what increases in CO2 levels will do.
As to "hard facts," there is not much evidence you would know where to find them.

 

[basilio]

Just a reminder of how glaciologists are seeing the rapid melting of the Antarctic ice shelf and the potential effects on world wide sea levels. There are some serious stings towards the end of this article.

Climate change: sea level rise could displace millions of people within two generations
May 21, 2019 6.59am AEST

Antarctica is further from civilisation than any other place on Earth. The Greenland ice sheet is closer to home but around one tenth the size of its southern sibling. Together, these two ice masses hold enough frozen water to raise global mean sea level by 65 metres if they were to suddenly melt. But how likely is this to happen?
https://theconversation.com/climate...lions-of-people-within-two-generations-116753

 

[basilio]

Climate Change in Alaska today.

Climate crisis: Alaska is melting and it’s likely to accelerate global heating

The state has just had its warmest spring on record, causing permafrost to thaw and dramatically reshaping some areas

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Rick Knecht, an archeologist, shows a site threatened by climate breakdown erosion caused by melting permafrost on the Yukon Delta in Alaska. Photograph: Mark Ralston/AFP/Getty Images
A city in western Alaska has lost a huge stretch of riverbank to erosion that may turn it into an island, amid renewed warnings from scientists over the havoc triggered by the accelerating melting of the state’s ice and permafrost.

Residents of the small city of Akiak were alarmed to find the Kuskokwim River suddenly much closer to housing after approximately 75ft to 100ft of riverbank disappeared over the course of just a few hours.

The erosion, which occurred late last month, stripped away the riverbank for the entire length of Akiak, which has a population of around 340.

“We got about three houses in imminent danger, and the rest of them will be coming along pretty quickly,” said David Gilila, Akiak’s city administrator.

Gilila said he was appealing for funding to relocate some homes, warning that the water could soon surround the city. “We’ll still be here, but we’ll probably become an island,” he said.

What happened to winter? Vanishing ice convulses Alaskans' way of life
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The drastic reshaping of Akiak is likely down to thawing permafrost, the frozen organic matter held within soils. Alaska is heating up twice as quickly as the rest of the US as a result of human-driven climate breakdown, increasingly causing this permafrost to thaw and destabilize buildings and cause roads to buckle.

“The changes are really accelerating in Alaska,” said Susan Natali, a scientist and Arctic expert at the Woods Hole Research Center in Massachusetts. “It’s pretty likely this riverbank in Akiak was lost because of thawing permafrost, given where it’s situated and the warm winter and spring they’ve had. It’s not a problem that’s going to go away.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...g-and-its-likely-to-accelerate-global-heating

 

[basilio]

Else where in Alaska

What happened to winter? Vanishing ice convulses Alaskans' way of life
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/21/alaska-climate-change-winter-way-of-life

 

[explod]

In the Canadian Arctic, layers of permafrost that scientists expected to remain frozen for at least 70 years have already begun thawing. The once-frozen surface is now sinking and dotted with melt ponds and from above looks a bit like Swiss cheese, satellite images reveal. "We were astounded that this system responded so quickly to the higher air temperatures," said Louise Farquharson, a co-author of the study and postdoctoral fellow at the Permafrost Laboratory at the Univer...

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Arctic Permafrost Is Going Through a Rapid Meltdown — 70 Years Early

 

[Joules MM1]

Remember that bell curve from stats? The bulk of temps, those close to average, sit near the middle of the curve. Record temps, which are rare, sit on the fringes. As the world warms from increasing GHG, the whole curve shifts which is why we are witnessing more extreme heat.

 

[brisman]

Your seriously quoting someone from Heartland institute climate denial blog ?

No I was actually referring to Dr Miskolczi's peer reviewed published research which you have also not refuted, just ignored, or in your case with name calling and references to funding which we all know is providing a living for many on all sides. No doubt you haven't read it:

http://owww.met.hu/idojaras/IDOJARAS_vol108_No4_01.pdf

Anyway, my personal view is that we are seeing recent global warming, so we should do something about it. As above we need to go beyond CO2 as the cause and keep researching to improve our understanding of what is causing it as our current understanding needs work. Scientists who are not in alignment with the current paradigm are "shut down", as I have personally been at work.

Above all we need to avoid name calling and avoid only reading articles from people that agree with our personally held views.

Whatever you think of Bjorn Lomborg, apparently labeled a "lukewarmer", I think he made a good point in the Weekend Australian 15-16 June, that rather than wasting our resources on subsidising solar and wind generators, who cannot provide base load, we should be researching new technologies for revolutionary change, such as the green revolution did for reducing the level of starving in the world. We didn't do it by the rich eating less.

My personal favourites would be research to make hot rocks economic and improving the economics of using hydrogen to store solar energy to generate at night and use in transport but there could be better ones out there.

 

[rederob]

Scientists who are not in alignment with the current paradigm are "shut down", as I have personally been at work.

Utter bunkum!
There is no such thing as the "current paradigm" because AGW is a verifiable theory.
What are cut down are the fools who keep trotting out rubbish that has been refuted time and again, yet they persist.
You are really good at quoting irrelevances, and not so good on FACTS.
30+ years of solid research on climate matters has not found causes beyond GHGs so to suggest even more needs to be done is a tad fanciful.
And, there are no subsidies for commercial generators of wind and solar, so Lomborg should line up his ducks better.
As for storage, there are many options available, and quite are few are already commercialised. In a fashion it's a bit like the Beta v's VHS race a few decades back, with lithium batteries presently winning the sprint, while flow batteries are looking at longer races.

 

[kahuna1]

Bjorn Lomborg

Bjørn Lomborg
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• Ph.D., Department of Political Science, University of Copenhagen (1994). [1]
• M.A., political science (1991).
  
  Lomborg is best known as the author of The Skeptical Environmentalist and Cool It, two books that downplay the risks of global warming. Despite these publications, Lomborg does not have a background in climate science and has published no peer-reviewed articles on climate change.
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[basilio]

In the Canadian Arctic, layers of permafrost that scientists expected to remain frozen for at least 70 years have already begun thawing. The once-frozen surface is now sinking and dotted with melt ponds and from above looks a bit like Swiss cheese, satellite images reveal. "We were astounded that this system responded so quickly to the higher air temperatures," said Louise Farquharson, a co-author of the study and postdoctoral fellow at the Permafrost Laboratory at the Univer...

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Arctic Permafrost Is Going Through a Rapid Meltdown — 70 Years Early

This is beyond anything climate scientists thought could happen so soon.
The implications for a mass escape of methane from the permafrost and subsequent out of control global warming are

The researchers recorded permafrost thawing to depths that were not expected until air temperatures reached levels the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has predicted will occur after 2090, according to one of its "moderate" climate change models. The IPCC, which is a body of the United Nations, provides scientific information to help guide countries' climate policies.


The researchers believe higher summer temperatures, low levels of insulating vegetation and the presence of ground ice near the surface contributed to the exceptionally rapid and deep thawing.

 

[wayneL]

Well, I think I'd prefer to be wiped out as a species, than tolerate the dystopian idiocracy the Far left is trying to enact.

Let's just take an asteroid and get it over with.

 

[explod]

Well, I think I'd prefer to be wiped out as a species, than tolerate the dystopian idiocracy the Far left is trying to enact.

Let's just take an asteroid and get it over with.

So it's your view that the far left is making these observable irrefutable facts up.

You'll notice Wayne, if you look carefully, that outside of your stables there is a gate through which you will find the outside world.

 

[basilio]

Well, I think I'd prefer to be wiped out ...

Wayne if the unbelievable terror of being ground under the jackboots of the marching Left is too horrific then I can understand your desire for a personal early exit.

But perhaps the rest of us can pay some attention to the very real problems of human caused global heating and save what we can of our civilization ? And given that everyone is in the same situation maybe this is the time to create a common front ?

 

[wayneL]

Wayne if the unbelievable terror of being ground under the jackboots of the marching Left is too horrific then I can understand your desire for a personal early exit.

But perhaps the rest of us can pay some attention to the very real problems of human caused global heating and save what we can of our civilization ? And given that everyone is in the same situation maybe this is the time to create a common front ?

So it's your view that the far left is making these observable irrefutable facts up.

You'll notice Wayne, if you look carefully, that outside of your stables there is a gate through which you will find the outside world.

Who are you Plod? Cathy Newman?

Fortunately, in the real world, basilio's Gestapo is a small minority and will be obliterated if they get too far out of line.

In the real world, Trump will win again, the EU will eventually go down and sensible people will successfully mitigate whatever changes the climate cycles through.

Millenials will reach their 50's and be utterly embarrassed that they were had.