Global Warming - How Valid and Serious?

[2020hindsight]

If I didn't know you better Wayne - I'd have assumed you thought that global warming was serious after all

 

[2020hindsight]

Smurf - I don't want to say this too loud - but Sydney has been quite temperate (given mid summer) - I'd hate to be in Melbourne 40 odd degrees etc.

The tennis (Aust Open) coming up and all . poor bugas.

 

[2020hindsight]

Too many humans you reckon 2020???
I`ll go and top me self to slow the wheel.

wys - yep -

you know that quote by Prince Phillip
he was heckled bigtime over it - but it's spot on ( not that it's what I would concentrate on - I'd prefer to change the emphasis on fossil fuels - dependence on airflights etc)

"If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels".
Prince Phillip quote

Then again he has a few from left field ( try way over the fence in fact) ..
"I don't think a prostitute is more moral than a wife, but they are doing the same thing ! "

PS I mean If Aus cut CO2e from 26 to under 10 (like nuclear Lithuania) or under 1 (like most of Africa) then problem would be vastly improved...

it would give the world a chance to come out the other side !

As it is we are heading into a cauldron like a moth to a lamp

 

[Wysiwyg]

wys - yep -

you know that quote by Prince Phillip
he was heckled bigtime over it - but it's spot on ( not that it's what I would concentrate on - I'd prefer to change the emphasis on fossil fuels - dependence on airflights etc)

"If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels".
Prince Phillip quote

A virus is always a real chance but not from a reincarnated silver spooner.(reincarnation is for the faithies imo)You`re right 2020, we should all do our bit to reduce consumption.And doing it.

 

[wayneL]

If I didn't know you better Wayne - I'd have assumed you thought that global warming was serious after all

Still skeptical, but as stated before, I am hugely concerned about general pollution. Same difference in practice.

 

[numbercruncher]

Speaking of pollution, I just read China has got serious on plastic bags, banned them under a certain thickness and Australia looks set to follow suit.

Excellent news, unless your a plastic bag maker I guess !

Not only are they an Eyesore and waste of landfill but one of the many problems is that these bags "float" underwater and look like Jellyfish to Turtles who then choke on them.

I think this is a great example of Government legislation making a difference, Leave it up to personal choice, the results can be seen with how many/few bring your own bags shoppers, but ban them, problem solved.

 

[ithatheekret]

I think this is a great example of Government legislation making a difference, Leave it up to personal choice, the results can be seen with how many/few bring your own bags shoppers, but ban them, problem solved.

I agree about the plastic bags , but some alternatives are just as bad .

I can remember having to pile up boxes full of groceries , lug them out to the car find a space for them , get home and find room in the bin for the boxes.

Whilst I don't think I'll see trees lopped down to meet the carry needs in boxes , emerging countries aren't shy about pulping for paper bags , as stated in one of the news articles today .

I know we have bio plastics etc. , but it's just as easy now to buy half a dozen permanent carry bags , you know those greens ones , or the orange ones c/- whomever , ours was c/- our last departing sitting member , ..... thanks Big Bird ( Fawcett ) , one less dead turtle to wash up on some shore .

 

[numbercruncher]

Even some of these Bio plastics can take 1000 years to break down I understand.

I think everyone with an Enviromental conscience would be using the reusable bags by now, they even make Insulated ones for the frozens , be good to force the other 70pc of people who dont use them though! - Perhaps an Investment opportunity lays in wait, wonder who makes them ?



" Save the Turtles "

 

[ithatheekret]

Perhaps an Investment opportunity lays in wait, wonder who makes them ?

That's a tough one NC , umm ahhh ummm ..... now who makes everything .

Well there's always China .

I think the US makes them too , as well as local disadvantaged industries , that area is a good ethics buying thing for me .... ie., Bedford Industries etc.


anyway ........ SAVE THE TURTLES

 

[2020hindsight]

I agree about the plastic bags , but some alternatives are just as bad .

emerging countries aren't shy about pulping for paper bags , as stated in one of the news articles today .

I know we have bio plastics etc. , but it's just as easy now to buy half a dozen permanent carry bags , you know those greens ones , or the orange ones c/- whomever , ours was c/- our last departing sitting member , ..... thanks Big Bird ( Fawcett ) , one less dead turtle to wash up on some shore .

itha, as you say, probably see a swing to (bio-plastic) biodegradable in future. On a side issue, certainly easer to pick up dog cables with some sort of platic than with a cardboard box. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioplastic

whatever you do !!! - don't tell those he-man people who are starting to use the green permanent carry bags that they are coloured green because it's environmentally the right thing to do - and horror of horror they are actually helping the "treehuggers" by using them!. You have to smile don't you.

As Kermit the frog might have said...

Some are born green, some achieve green, and some have green thrust upon them.

nc - perhaps a burst of uv light would assist in breaking them down (?) - or is that just the petrochemical based ones?

glad wrap - sheesh - miles used in industry these days - pallets are typically wrapped in about 50 m of the stuff each ( x 500 wide)

 

[2020hindsight]

Thing about global warming being expressed in so many reports recently is the exponential increase we are gonna experience. (eg the icecaps melt, the white reflective areas decrease, the blue heat-absorting areas increase, the graph not only continues up, but bends up.!)

Bit like a bun in the oven, and as it rises, it presses on a switch that turns the thermostat up.

No that's a lousy comparison - because the bun turns black and stops rising - turns to ash and starts falling in fact

(maybe it is a good comparison after all)

but you get the ghist.

:topic
black holes are mean cosmic cannibals, eating up prodigal suns,
light rays refuse to escape from their surface, much like my burnt raisin buns,
Einstein explained it quite simply, teaspoonfuls weigh in the tons,
denser than rockcakes! can you imagine it! crushed by a handful of crumbs.

 

[cordelia]

A virus is always a real chance but not from a reincarnated silver spooner.(reincarnation is for the faithies imo)You`re right 2020, we should all do our bit to reduce consumption.And doing it.

Prince philip wasn't exactly a "silver spooner" read up on his childhood...you might be surprised...GW is real...did anyone see that program on Catalyst about 12 months ago....

http://www.abc.net.au/science/crude/

 

[Smurf1976]

Apparently in Germany they have a project doing the 100% renewable thing (though only on a small scale) that I've been on about.

Link multiple intermittent power sources, use hydro for firm capacity and storage and the end result is no fossil fuels or nuclear to get 100% renewable electricity baselaod, intermediate and peak load.

Now all that needs to happen is a massive scale up and run this as the grid, instead of instead of the grid as a small system.

Long term, we will see either:
* Massive buildups of new electric infrastructure.
* A limited buildup + tear down of things we can't power.
* Or our energy hungry society comes crashing down.

 

[2020hindsight]

Smurf -
Not everyone has mountains like Tassie lol

I mean they'd have trouble using hydro in Holland m8 -
Although I suppose they could pipe the sea through the dykes with a turbine and generator in there somewhere

but what to do with the bludy salty water? lol

The answer?
BAN AIR CONDITIONERS !!
Let the message sink in .

 

[--B--]

PS I mean If Aus cut CO2e from 26 to under 10 (like nuclear Lithuania)

do you support a move to full nuclear energy 2020?

unfortunately many pushing the AGE barrow refuse to consider this as a reliable and safe and clean energy source.

or under 1 (like most of Africa) then problem would be vastly improved...

oh dear... are you seriously suggesting Africa is a shining example the world should follow?

back to brush fires hey?

one of the most hilarious suggesting ive heard...

 

[--B--]

Thing about global warming being expressed in so many reports recently is the exponential increase we are gonna experience. (eg the icecaps melt, the white reflective areas decrease, the blue heat-absorting areas increase, the graph not only continues up, but bends up.!)

yep. its interesting what computer models can spit out when they are modeled to spit out the results you want.

 

[explod]

yep. its interesting what computer models can spit out when they are modeled to spit out the results you want.

Yep, it is also interesting that many believe the happenings are in the future from computer modelling.

The exponential melting of the ice caps and the reduction of reflective white ice sheets is happening now and the curve getting steeper is now.

In fact we should be all setting up road blocks to stop the traffic now. Though congestion has just about done it. Just need to get everyone to turn the engines off.

Think I am a crack pot, absolutely and we need heeps of them

 

[2020hindsight]

1. do you support a move to full nuclear energy 2020?

2. ... Africa is a shining example ....? one of the most hilarious suggesting ive heard...

1. as I've said many times - yes
2. this has gone over your head -B-

presumably you would also find this webside hilarious
http://www.worldvision.com.au/childsponsorship/ChildSearch.aspx

As for computer models
How do you think you get your weather forecast each day ? - sheesh

 

[--B--]

1. as I've said many times - yes

good to hear.

2. this has gone over your head -B-

then please elaborate as to how and why you think we should aim for similar co2 emissions as africa?

presumably you would also find this webside hilarious
http://www.worldvision.com.au/childsponsorship/ChildSearch.aspx

wow. relevance?

As for computer models
How do you think you get your weather forecast each day ? - sheesh

we understand the weather far more than we understand climate 2020.

 

[2020hindsight]

PS -B- , if you think reading about the plight of Africa is hilarious,
have to say that ..
reading your posts that are written in that vein is starting to make me feel nauseous