Gay Marriage

[trainspotter]

Scientists Discover Evolutionary Advantage For Homosexuality

http://www.iflscience.com/plants-an...iscover-evolutionary-advantage-homosexual-sex

Fruit flies ... REALLY?

The final stage of the investigation involved performing experimental crosses of flies from both of these identified lines and examining the resulting offspring. More specifically, they wanted to see whether coming from a genetic background associated with high levels of SSB affected reproductive rates in female offspring.

Brundle FLY is what you are talking about

Cross colonisation of an experimental species with a genetic risk? Is this GAY marriage at it's finest?

 

[bellenuit]

This would appear to be off topic on this thread, but considering some of the posts made here yesterday, it seems very very appropriate.



Happy 60th birthday to Ruby Bridges! As a six-year-old, Ruby Bridges famously became the first African American child to desegregate an all-white elementary school in the South. When the 1st grader walked to William Frantz Elementary School in New Orleans on November 14, 1960 surrounded by a team of U.S. Marshals, she was met by a vicious mob shouting and throwing objects at her.

One of the federal marshals, Charles Burks, who served on her escort team, recalls Bridges' courage in the face of such hatred: "For a little girl six years old going into a strange school with four strange deputy marshals, a place she had never been before, she showed a lot of courage. She never cried. She didn't whimper. She just marched along like a little soldier. We were all very proud of her."

Once Ruby entered the school, she discovered that it was devoid of children because they had all been removed by their parents due to her presence. The only teacher willing to have Ruby as a student was Barbara Henry, who had recently moved from Boston. Ruby was taught by herself for her first year at the school due to the white parents' refusal to have their children share a classroom with a black child.

Despite daily harassment, which required the federal marshals to continue escorting her to school for months; threats towards her family; and her father's job loss due to his family's role in school integration, Ruby persisted in attending school. The following year, when she returned for second grade, the mobs were gone and more African American students joined her at the school. The pioneering school integration effort was a success due to Ruby Bridges' inspiring courage, perseverance, and resilience.

 

[trainspotter]

integration is a way of adding slices to find the whole.

 

[bellenuit]

Fruit flies ... REALLY?

The point you are missing Trainspotter is the veracity of this comment from your partner.

As it turns out you failed to understand what my uneducated partner was thrusting about " and expect the species to survive" I believe they call it procreation. You will figure it out eventually.

Homosexuality in humans has been observed for as long as humans have been observed and still the species has survived. Of course, if everyone were homosexual and didn't have sexual intercourse with the opposite sex, then our species would not survive. But so what? If everyone were celibate priests or nuns, we would have the same situation. There is no need for everyone to procreate for our species to survive. In fact, as some comments on the carbon emissions threads indicate, our species may be more at risk from excessive procreation in the immediate term than from global warming or other potential natural disasters.

If the issue you and your partner is concerned about is survival of our species, then please explain how this is put at risk by allowing gays to marry? We are talking about a civil ceremony that has significance to those concerned, but has zero impact on the ability of our species to survive.

 

[Tink]

VC, if you can't think outside the square, and your thinking doesn't go very deep, that is your problem.
I have freedom of speech until now, and I am allowed to use it, so stop trying to silence me, it won't work.

One thing with women, we like to talk and give our opinion, whether you want to hear it or not.

Well said, Ald, tradition, hand me downs, social order, are all things that are important for the next generation.
Trying to destroy centuries of tradition and our inheritance for our children.

Gay Marriage brings in an incestuous backdrop.

Submit to their ideology, accept it, or be fined, this is totalitarian.
Trying to brainwash the next generation to run by their rules with no morals and no gender is wrong.
We are allowed to stand up to this for now while our country doesn't have gay marriage.

As I said, I am all for Civil Unions, but don't change Marriage.

Infiltrating all the schools that this is the way they have to think.
No gender, social constructs where they can be what they want to be, if they are in the wrong skin, change it, wrong sex, change it.

As I said, same sex, pornography, prostitution all go hand in hand
Shoving this garbage in childrens faces is wrong.

Yes, marriage is private, but the gays are making it public, where we all need to succumb to their rules.

 

[Ald123]

Why would they regret it?

What's the worst that can come from it?

Irreplaceable damage to the structure of family.

Look already today, people in countries like Australia really think twice about children.
It is so hard to raise children, there are so many attacks on the family, there is no help only hindrance,
it is so expensive. Up until age three raising a child for a women is so hard especially if she has more than one young child. There are absolutely NO affordable facilities. The benefits you get are not worth taking and the centre link forms are nearly a 100 pages long with so much work to fill out it takes weeks to get the benefits.
Then some idiot in power tells women that they are dole bludgers.

The people who need support now are children. Gay rights to marriage are not even important because they have them all in Australia already. They suffer no discrimination whatsoever as defactos.


Why should my children grow up having to pay the debts of this generation? Why should they later pay the pensions of this generation when they give them NO support as children now? I will teach my children how set themselves up to pay no tax just as this current baby boomer generation has done. I will make sure that my kids don't get burdened with these selfish people who live today.

I am sick of being attacked by people telling me "well you shouldn't have had kids", one day I will tell them, sorry my kids are not their to support you.

I am sick of the hate towards normal families trying to raise normal children where everybodies rights except the children's is considered.

 

[Ald123]

ok so after Tink made another bunch of unjustified claims, I asked her to explain her position, but yet again she falls silent, we won't hear from her again until she bursts in again probably saying something about gay marriage being anti children or against her religious rights or some other circular arguments and logical fallacies which she will never back up.

so since she failed to answer the questions above I would like to put them to anyone that holds similar views to her.

It is my religious right to teach my children that marriage is only between a man and a woman. I do this because it is a COMMAND of Christ. It is a trampling of my rights when the government stands in opposition to this teaching by telling the population that gayrriage is a good by making it a right and putting me in prison if I publicly declare to my children that what they are taught at school is wrong. In the same way it is a trampling of my religious rights when my children are taught that abortion is good when it is just plain simple infanticide and irresponsibility on the part of a woman who was not raised and supported properly. I am sick of the agenda that religion is irrelevant, nobody has the right to tell me that or tell that to my children. I am therefore sick and tired of the atheist and lgbt terrorists shoving their agenda down the throats of society just like ISIS does.

 

[Ald123]

As it turns out your partner is just uneducated on the matter.


There is actually Wikipedia article that states that same sex sexual behaviour has been observed in over 500 species including, apes, monkeys, elephants, Dolphins, sheep just to name a few of the mammals.

Biologists and zoologists have known that gay behaviour occurs in animals who's social structure has been broken down. For instance when only young elephants are put on a new game reserve they wreck havoc, gay behaviours occur, rapes, fights damage.

So we know that when the family is destroyed you get all these perversions to the good natural order.

Expect more ills in society with every nail in the coffin of the family.

 

[Ald123]

Going over to the Dark Side, threaten to, do you?
Ultimatum giving you are. Hmm?

The force is strong with this one. But anger lead to ultimatum; ultimatum results in banishment; banishment to rebellion.


You guys are about to ruin the Lion King for me.

Simba you are a young king now, I am sending you to your uncle scar, you will marry him and he will mount you from behind and make gentle man lion love to you, so make sure you are on a good high fibre diet. You must not eat gazelles this week but stick to high fibre grass. I want you to have an enema to wash that pretty rear so that uncle scar can have a beautiful experience. Remember no Gazelles this week. When we find a female lion who has an extra child or two we will drop them of to scar and yourself, then you can be fathers. Simba there have been married male lions that have lent their children out to other male lions so that they too can mount them and do so and get paid with fresh gazelle. I don't want you to do that, you may only mount other lions but don't let scar find out.

 

[Tisme]

Best way out is to hold a plebiscite.

The public would vote it down

 

[Ald123]

Homosexuals have been around since the beginning, hard to see how them being given equal rights as all adults are given would destroy or affect survival of the species.

I mean, if the wind turbine isn't going to do it...


Gay parents are not going to turn their children gay; just as heterosexual parenting haven't turn out all heterosexual children.

You are wrong about that.

When I was in Paris about 22 years ago I saw an extremely rich gay guy in his 50,s walking through the the gay neighbourhood with a 17 year old boy hand in hand both were by now gay. By a coincidence I met the grandmother of the boy. I discovered that the boy was just a troubled teen who never had a father and never identified himself as gay, but who was plied with gifts and seduced. Eventually the boy acquired a taste for homosexual sex and in void of indifference where nobody told him otherwise. A couple years later the boy fell deeply in love with a women, by that time his past had turned him into a male prostitue for rich gays. She found out, too late, she got aids and died quickly. She left a child behind who did not get aids. He lived longer but eventually also died. The child was adopted by gay friends of the young man and sadly was abused. The child committed suicide. The child had also developed a taste for gay life due to the abuseand as a 14 year old had a moral breakdown about it.

 

[Tisme]

You are wrong about that.

When I was in Paris about 22 years ago I saw an extremely rich gay guy in his 50,s walking through the the gay neighbourhood with a 17 year old boy hand in hand both were by now gay. By a coincidence I met the grandmother of the boy. I discovered that the boy was just a troubled teen who never had a father and never identified himself as gay, but who was plied with gifts and seduced. Eventually the boy acquired a taste for homosexual sex and in void of indifference where nobody told him otherwise. A couple years later the boy fell deeply in love with a women, by that time his past had turned him into a male prostitue for rich gays. She found out, too late, she got aids and died quickly. She left a child behind who did not get aids. He lived longer but eventually also died. The child was adopted by gay friends of the young man and sadly was abused. The child committed suicide. The child had also developed a taste for gay life due to the abuseand as a 14 year old had a moral breakdown about it.

Of course not content to groom individuals, they are now grooming the entire population. I'm really worried about compulsory homosexuality ........

 

[Ald123]

I think you are deluded. Big on claims, short on evidence. Most likely suffering from a whole host of logical fallacies.

Why don't you head over to the religion and science thread and explain why you believe your brand of God exists, I will be happy to help you identify the logical fallacies that have lead you down the wrong path, either that or you will convince me, my mind is open to be changed, but only by evidence.

I might just do that actually. It's very easy to be honest. Only a fool can be an atheist.

 

[Duckman#72]

You are wrong about that.

When I was in Paris about 22 years ago I saw an extremely rich gay guy in his 50,s walking through the the gay neighbourhood with a 17 year old boy hand in hand both were by now gay. By a coincidence I met the grandmother of the boy. I discovered that the boy was just a troubled teen who never had a father and never identified himself as gay, but who was plied with gifts and seduced. Eventually the boy acquired a taste for homosexual sex and in void of indifference where nobody told him otherwise. A couple years later the boy fell deeply in love with a women, by that time his past had turned him into a male prostitue for rich gays. She found out, too late, she got aids and died quickly. She left a child behind who did not get aids. He lived longer but eventually also died. The child was adopted by gay friends of the young man and sadly was abused. The child committed suicide. The child had also developed a taste for gay life due to the abuseand as a 14 year old had a moral breakdown about it.

But there is also more to this very sad story..........the boy had a cat and it turned gay, then the woman's budgie died of an AID's related illness. The whole thing was tragic.

Duckman

 

[Ald123]

Ahhhhh now you are starting to understand the en globo situation at hand. The media is pushing the "gay" button and developing ground swell of the proletariat to march with them to recognise the significance of being "married" in front of your peers. Photo opportunity and I am sure there will be a thriving business of celebrants and wedding planners hacking into this phenomenon. Elton John anyone?

Internally the LEGALISE of this is much more entertaining. I am agreeing with you on the "rights" of same sex partners .... property, superannuation funds, bank accounts, executor of wills etc ad infinitum. Not the issue here ... BUT the laws that are involved to change all of this is not a mere act of parliament. Well actually it is. But more of a society that requires acceptance and by playing this as a political football while Rome burns is a side event better than any magician worth his salt could have hoped for.

Reminds me of Keating when he proclaimed arguing with Hewson was like "being flogged by a wet lettuce"

The whole gays raise and abortion and contraception and atheism thing is just a big money spinner. It's another commodity that someone wants to make money on.

The New Zealand government legalised marriage not because of the rights of gays or to not be discriminatory or some lofty ideal. They crunched the numbers and saw that it would increase the tourism money flooding into the country by 100 of millions each year. They jumped at it purely from the business sense. They did not give a damn about rights or gays. They cared about their money. That's a fact.

It's like ministers voting for more speed cameras, they get told how much revenue will be collected and then they all unanimously agree.

 

[Ald123]

If it's ever made on moral ground, banning or in any way discriminating against any segment of society cannot be said to be "moral". Religious, yes, moral no.

In the US, it's not just about the ceremony and the party. In states where gay marriage is not recognised, gay couples living together all their lives are not considered married or defacto and that have a lot of consequences in terms of legal rights to property, taxes and all that.

Alright, it's wrong to be flippant about it. But it is somewhat ridiculous that there's even a debate as to whether or not gay brother or gay sister should be permitted to get married, that it could harm society and ruin the children.

Without religion morality doesn't exist and makes no sense. Morality is then just the will of the majority. This is why the atheists love it. If the majority decide that it's ok to kill Jewish people again then it's moral. If another majority decided that sex with children is ok then it becomes moral. Stop being so ignorant.
Morality exists because of the Judeo Christian tradition and earlier RELIGIOUS WISDOM BEFORE THAT.

 

[ftw129]

Well of course, we are dealing with a couple of religious nut jobs here...

It is this kind of mentality that starts wars and drives fear, division and hate through society.



This is how ridiculous you look! CRAZINESS!

WE'RE BREAKING FREE OF THIS KIND OF MENTALITY, ALL OF THE LIES AND IT SCARES THE SH*T OUT OF YOU.

NO LONGER WILL WE ALLOW THIS KIND OF MISERY TO BRAIN WASH OUR CHILDREN.

LOVE, TRUTH AND COMPASSION IS THE WAY GOING FORWARD.

No longer does the world want to be enslaved by YOUR NONSENSE, YOUR LIES AND YOUR HATE.

IT IS ISIS AND CHRISTIANITY THAT ARE ONE AND THE SAME!

But no more... the people are standing up for what's real, what's right and what is true. We don't need some book that makes no sense written by the deluded thousands of years ago. ALL WE NEED IS TO LOOK IN TO OUR HEARTS. That is where the truth lies.

Take your B%$*SH*T and save it for church.

 

[Junior]

Without religion morality doesn't exist and makes no sense. Morality is then just the will of the majority. This is why the atheists love it. If the majority decide that it's ok to kill Jewish people again then it's moral. If another majority decided that sex with children is ok then it becomes moral. Stop being so ignorant.
Morality exists because of the Judeo Christian tradition and earlier RELIGIOUS WISDOM BEFORE THAT.

Epic, epic load of horse-**** here.

This thread is going off the rails.

 

[ftw129]

 

[ftw129]

Infiltrating all the schools that this is the way they have to think.
No gender, social constructs where they can be what they want to be, if they are in the wrong skin, change it, wrong sex, change it.

As I said, same sex, pornography, prostitution all go hand in hand
Shoving this garbage in childrens faces is wrong.

Tink, you really don't give children enough credit. Children know what's right and what's wrong in their own hearts.

Don't treat kids as if they have no brain and can't think for themselves.

Look in the mirror.

Teach kids to love, speak truth and have compassion.

You really should have figured this all out by now