Gay Marriage

[sydboy007]

The whole Gay Marriage is a con, about selfishness and self interest.

This self interest group, which revolves just around themselves and what they need, trying to attach themselves to the word -- Marriage.
As I said, civil unions give them all the same rights, when it comes to their partners and living together.

I am glad to see the backlash for changing Marriage from the public.

Children come last in their scheme of things, and they believe it is their right that they can buy a child, like a handbag, yet they don't realise that you can't change nature, and God's Law, (life, hope and truth), that a child will always grieve for his or her parents, and knowing their true identity.

Where were the rights of this child?

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/video-young-boy-twerking-pride-has-homophobes-outraged150615

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/v...oy-twerking-at-gay-pride-as-drag-queens-cheer

As opposed to the selfish people who believe denying a group the ability to use a single word to recognise their relationship as equal with the rest of the community.

Do you hear yourself Tink. Saying homosexuals put children last, when I doubt you'd have a basic understanding of what life is like for a minority group. Certainly easier these days, but we still face violence and intolerance from society at large.

Have you forgotten the thousands upon thousands of lives forever damaged due to various religious organisations perpetually covering up the abuse of Children? I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest the Catholic church has been a bane to Children over many decades.

It would be better if you could base your comments on facts. the facts stand that children have faced greater harm from your Church than they have from gay marriage.

 

[Tink]

Syd, I am standing up for Marriage, and keeping it as it is for our children and future generations.
You have civil unions which gives you the same as marriage.

Equal is..
Mother, father, child, no one is excluded -- the gold standard -- is the original and the best.
Male and Female.

Opening the door to everyone that wants to get married is not what it is about.
There is a reason that Marriage is the way it is.

Syd, as I have said before, everyone that has come to this country has been through something, so just saying I want Marriage because I want to be equal, is not truth.

Rather than talking about the Catholic Church, why don't you say how it is going to make society better, and what this is really all about?
I know many people that are against changing marriage that aren't even religious.
I even know gays that think it shouldn't be changed - it's the core family institution.

I think it is time that the Gay Activists come out and say what this is really all about, and it is not just about Marriage.
It is about destroying the family structure.

Gender neutral, social constructs, pornography, prostitution, the list goes on.
Anyone that hasn't looked into this, needs to look deeper.
PC has stopped these discussions, but thankfully there are some that have come out and put some truth on the table, rather than tip toeing on eggshells.

Erasing gender distinctions, especially as they apply to childbearing and rearing, would serve to legally un-define what it means to be human. A new legal definition of human””as neither male nor female””would apply to you whether you like it or not. Already, there is social pressure for everyone to comply with the gender theory notion that biological facts are mere “social constructs.”

Austria: National Assembly votes 110-26 against same-sex “marriage”

I was going to post this yesterday, but was too late to add it.
Beautiful.

 

[Logique]

The new oppression we can expect. My bolds.

Sure, it's just about equality. Unless you deviate from the collective line, then look out.

Injustice cuts both ways

http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/story/3167799/letters-to-the-editor/?cs=150

IN AN earlier letter I attempted to establish the “essential starting points” for any discussion about same-sex “marriage”. The UNO and the Australian state are consistent in their attitudes towards the family, its constitution, and the protection of children. The family is regarded as the “fundamental group unit of society”.

The current demand that we change the definition of marriage in Australia to give homosexuals the same status in marriage claims that the change will be simple, and not create any problems while securing equality. This is incorrect. There are already serious problems developing within societies which have changed the definition of marriage from a man and a woman to between two people. There are now an increasing number of unseen consequences in jurisdictions where the definition of marriage has been changed. Issues include Christian ministers being obliged to perform same-sex marriages under the threat of imprisonment and fines; the removal of marriage licences from clergy who refuse to conduct same-sex marriages; clergy threatened with prosecution for “hate speech” simply for upholding their faith’s traditions and view of marriage; clergy ordered to submit sermons for legal scrutiny when they discuss sexuality; clergy forced to conduct same-sex marriages in their churches or halls.

This vilification against church and clergy is to be expected, but it remains an imposed injustice against ordinary citizens. The list of issues reaches through politics, education and schooling, employment - where businessmen, athletes, commentators, lawyers, teachers, doctors, nurses have been vilified in the media, denied employment and business because they have voiced opinions about same-sex marriage. These people are not all motivated by religious beliefs.

A whole new set of social injustices is being introduced in the name of same-sex “marriage”.

Bruce Watson
Kentucky, NSW

 

[Tisme]

The new oppression we can expect. My bolds.

Sure, it's just about equality. Unless you deviate from the collective line, then look out.

I think we all know it for what it is ...vandalism and decay

 

[bellenuit]

I always admire Thailand for the acceptance they show to others who elsewhere would be called sexual deviants (ladyboys etc.). I doubt if you will hear people complaining about being forced to sell transgender clothing to transexuals because it goes against the sellers religious principles.

Thailand's Bangkok University transgenders get their own school uniforms

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/thailands-...genders-get-their-own-school-uniforms-1506524

 

[sydboy007]

The new oppression we can expect. My bolds.

Sure, it's just about equality. Unless you deviate from the collective line, then look out.

What a load of cods wallop.

Unless you're expecting Australian society to turn into a form of Fascism, religious people not agreeing to perform marriages will continue to occur. Why would you want to involve someone on your wedding day that has a sour face and cherry picks versus out of a book they choose to "follow" while also turning their back on others, or flip flopping on their choice of what to do based on what's convenient to them.

 

[sydboy007]

Syd, I am standing up for Marriage, and keeping it as it is for our children and future generations.
You have civil unions which gives you the same as marriage.

Equal is..
Mother, father, child, no one is excluded -- the gold standard -- is the original and the best.
Male and Female.

Opening the door to everyone that wants to get married is not what it is about.
There is a reason that Marriage is the way it is.

Syd, as I have said before, everyone that has come to this country has been through something, so just saying I want Marriage because I want to be equal, is not truth.

Rather than talking about the Catholic Church, why don't you say how it is going to make society better, and what this is really all about?
I know many people that are against changing marriage that aren't even religious.
I even know gays that think it shouldn't be changed - it's the core family institution.

I think it is time that the Gay Activists come out and say what this is really all about, and it is not just about Marriage.
It is about destroying the family structure.

Gender neutral, social constructs, pornography, prostitution, the list goes on.
Anyone that hasn't looked into this, needs to look deeper.
PC has stopped these discussions, but thankfully there are some that have come out and put some truth on the table, rather than tip toeing on eggshells.

Erasing gender distinctions, especially as they apply to childbearing and rearing, would serve to legally un-define what it means to be human. A new legal definition of human””as neither male nor female””would apply to you whether you like it or not. Already, there is social pressure for everyone to comply with the gender theory notion that biological facts are mere “social constructs.”



I was going to post this yesterday, but was too late to add it.
Beautiful.

I suppose when sexual deviancy and indecency within religious organisations is finally under control, they can start to worry about the broader society. Best one get their own house in order before trying to cast the first stone in a glass house.

You're arguments are reminiscent of the war on Christmas, or the persecution of white Christians. I have lots of Muslim friends and they all like Christmas, heck I have pictures of one friend dressed up as an elf handing out little gifts to children in a Malaysian hospital from a couple of years back.

So many straw man arguments, so much angst over something that will not change what you have, but will change immensely the way homosexual relationships are viewed by society at large. Words have power, otherwise terms like ****** or faggot wouldn't be considered impolite these days, then again you might just feel that's the PC police forcing people to stay quiet?

Heterosexuals are doing quite nicely destroying the family structure. Japan is on a baby strike, so is Italy, Germany, and until recently even Australia. Divorce rates on the way up, dysfunctional families on the news in pretty much every country. Gay marriage in no way will get in the way of heterosexual families to continue demeaning the institution of marriage.

 

[Logique]

What a load of cods wallop.

Unless you're expecting Australian society to turn into a form of Fascism, religious people not agreeing to perform marriages will continue to occur. Why would you want to involve someone on your wedding day that has a sour face and cherry picks versus out of a book they choose to "follow" while also turning their back on others, or flip flopping on their choice of what to do based on what's convenient to them.

I think you mean Collectivism. Nice try, but it would be a 'PC Police' fiesta. There is a long track record on Leftist social issues.

Perhaps you have missed Fairfax'/ABC relentless persecution of Cardinal Pell?

 

[sydboy007]

I think you mean Collectivism. Nice try, but it would be a 'PC Police' fiesta. There is a long track record on Leftist social issues.

Perhaps you have missed Fairfax'/ABC relentless persecution of Cardinal Pell?

WOW. if the stories from victims are even half as bad as we've been told, then Pell acted so far out of kilter with his professed Christian values he should hold hsi head in shame and leave the Church.

 

[Trembling Hand]

I think it is time that the Gay Activists come out and say what this is really all about, and it is not just about Marriage.
It is about destroying the family structure.

You are being hysterical. Seriously how is it going to destroy anything?

 

[Trembling Hand]

Perhaps you have missed Fairfax'/ABC relentless persecution of Cardinal Pell?

I don't know if its been persecution but thankfully someone is putting pressure on him. Because his own team certainty have given him a free pass to add to the long list of Catholics who shamelessly do not care about their victims.

He is a disgrace.

 

[ftw129]

A victory for love.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jun/26/gay-marriage-legal-supreme-court

God bless America and a president we will never forget.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPOyhBcR78

Peace.

#lovewins

 

[Value Collector]

A victory for love.



Peace.

#lovewins

I am so happy for them.

Obama is a champ, so a rational guy.

 

[Value Collector]

I was going to post this yesterday, but was too late to add it.
Beautiful.

it's funny how you are normally so opposed to communism and socialism, but when a backward little socialist country seems to support your bigoted views suddenly you love them, lol.

Any way, if this debate is a poker game, then I guess I see your Austria, and raise you one United States, lol.

 

[bellenuit]

I am so happy for them.

Obama is a champ, so a rational guy.

No words needed......

 

[SirRumpole]

A 5-4 decision is hardly a ringing endorsement. But perhaps we won't get this stuffed down our throats as much now.

 

[sydboy007]

1989 - Denmark legally recognises same sex marriages. The first country in modern times to do so.

1993 - Norway becomes the second country to legalise gay marriage.

1994 - Sweden comes to the party

1996 - Greenland and Iceland show their progressive outlook

2000 - Belgium legalises gay marriage.

I wont go on, but I'd like someone to show that these countries have declined, that the family structure has been under constant attack, that these countries have somehow suffered because of gay marriage. Show me proof that the claims made to deny same sex marriage in Australia have occurred in other countries that have, in some cases, had same sex marriage for over 2 decades, and well over 1.

The above countries generally rate as some of the best places to live in the world, yet people on this forum would have us believe that they should be crumbling with social disruption as the family structure is destroyed.

 

[MrBurns]

No issue with Gays getting hitched but why do they have to hijack the existing marriage model ?
Anyway looks like they have so that's the end of it
Perhaps now we can move on to world hunger

 

[Tink]

Exactly right, Mr Burns, why do they have to redefine Marriage, that has been here for years.
How marriage gets taught in our schools.

Our children deserve the same as what we grew up with, the truth, not this over riding everything and everyone.
This is totalitarian.

No one is complaining about Civil Unions.

Agree, Logique, they have been relentless in their persecution of the Christians on the ABC, and even if Abbott mentions 'Jesus', it is on the front page.

Well said Tisme -- Vandalism and Decay.

VC, the Sound of Music was based in Austria, a true story, and since this year is the 50th anniversary of this 'Timeless Classic' of a movie, I thought I would add it.
Perfect timing, and I say good on them for standing up for their values.
Have you seen it, I am sure everyone has seen it -- pure elegance, class and decency.

As for socialism, isn't that where we are heading here?
All these same people were relentless in upping the price of alcohol etc for health, but yet they shut their eyes to what they are trying to push here.

TH, they are not asking for equality, they are asking to REDEFINE marriage.
As I have said, they have civil unions, which gives them the same rights.

Bellenuit, Thailand doesn't have same sex marriage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Thailand

 

[sydboy007]

No issue with Gays getting hitched but why do they have to hijack the existing marriage model ?
Anyway looks like they have so that's the end of it
Perhaps now we can move on to world hunger

Exactly right, Mr Burns, why do they have to redefine Marriage, that has been here for years.
How marriage gets taught in our schools.

I think you are being a bit unfair in that some of the earliest marriages we have records for were actually for same sex people.

It was just hundreds of years of religious persecution and intolerance of homosexuality that has allowed the various major religions to put a false claim on marriage as something they own.

Tink

would you like to show how gay marriage has been used to white ant civil society and the family structure in Denmark / Norway / Sweden? Surely there's plenty of evidence on the trauma caused to children having to relearn what marriage is? What was the cost for schools having to change their text books about marriage? I'll admit my memory ain't the best, but I really don't remember having specific classes about marriage at school. Maybe that's something you only get within a faith based schooling environment?

Surely with up to a quarter of a century of gay marriage in some countries, it should be easy enough to provide specific examples of how this has harmed society. With that long for those out to white ant the traditional family there should now be signs of their success, or possibly failure? Maybe there wasn't / isn't any plot to destroy the family / attack the values of society, and the issue truly is about bringing our societies forward and publicly recognising that love been a same sex couple is truly the same as the love between a heterosexual couple.

If jesus was alive today, I believe h'd have been marching with me in early 90s to have the anti vilification legislation enacted in NSW to make it a crime to incite violence against others. I also believe he'd have been out helping the marginalised, just as you should know was written in the bible. Considering he never mentioned homosexuality, I take that as meaning he wasn't particularly worried about it. Certainly he saw more pressing issues at the time that warranted speaking out about.

So, as the T Shirt slogan says, What would Jesus do on this issue.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonour others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. If that is not a good basis for a marriage, I don't know what is. It certainly doesn't proscribe who can provide the love, or who can receive the love.