Gay Marriage

[bellenuit]

If a man marries his son, is that incest?

Well a marriage celebrant could marry his son to another and that would't be incest. Also, if a man was allowed to get married to his own son, that would only be incest if they had sexual relations between each other.

 

[Tisme]

Well a marriage celebrant could marry his son to another and that would't be incest. Also, if a man was allowed to get married to his own son, that would only be incest if they had sexual relations between each other.

how so? It's not like it's real sex and the possibility of offspring from consanguinity ....

 

[bellenuit]

how so? It's not like it's real sex and the possibility of offspring from consanguinity ....

I don't get what you are asking. Getting married is not the same as incest. Marriage is just a ceremony. Incest is a sexual relationship.

 

[Tisme]

I don't get what you are asking. Getting married is not the same as incest. Marriage is just a ceremony. Incest is a sexual relationship.

So you are saying that marriage is not a sexually based act, therefore no need to make changes to marriage act based on homosexuality?

If a woman only gives head, is she still a virgin? Did the chaste Greek girls get it wrong over the last several millennia? Was Clinton right about what constitutes real "sex" and good cigars? Are lesbians virgins? Are male homosexuals virgins?

 

[Tink]

The whole Gay Marriage is a con, about selfishness and self interest.

This self interest group, which revolves just around themselves and what they need, trying to attach themselves to the word -- Marriage.
As I said, civil unions give them all the same rights, when it comes to their partners and living together.

I am glad to see the backlash for changing Marriage from the public.

Children come last in their scheme of things, and they believe it is their right that they can buy a child, like a handbag, yet they don't realise that you can't change nature, and God's Law, (life, hope and truth), that a child will always grieve for his or her parents, and knowing their true identity.

Where were the rights of this child?

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/video-young-boy-twerking-pride-has-homophobes-outraged150615

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/v...oy-twerking-at-gay-pride-as-drag-queens-cheer

 

[bellenuit]

So you are saying that marriage is not a sexually based act, therefore no need to make changes to marriage act based on homosexuality?

If a woman only gives head, is she still a virgin? Did the chaste Greek girls get it wrong over the last several millennia? Was Clinton right about what constitutes real "sex" and good cigars? Are lesbians virgins? Are male homosexuals virgins?

Of course marriage is not a sexual based act. It is a ceremony with legal (and sometimes religious) significance. If it were a sexually based act you could charge for attendance at the ceremony, but might have to hold it in Kings Cross or risk falling foul of the law's indecency provisions.

 

[Value Collector]

how so? It's not like it's real sex and the possibility of offspring from consanguinity ....

as Hitch would have said,

"homosexuality is not just a type of sex, it's a type of love, and diserves our respect for that reason"

 

[Value Collector]

The whole Gay Marriage is a con, about selfishness and self interest.

This self interest group, which revolves just around themselves and what they need, trying to attach themselves to the word -- Marriage.
As I said, civil unions give them all the same rights, when it comes to their partners and living together.

I am glad to see the backlash for changing Marriage from the public.

Children come last in their scheme of things, and they believe it is their right that they can buy a child, like a handbag, yet they don't realise that you can't change nature, and God's Law, (life, hope and truth), that a child will always grieve for his or her parents, and knowing their true identity.

Where were the rights of this child?

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/video-young-boy-twerking-pride-has-homophobes-outraged150615

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/v...oy-twerking-at-gay-pride-as-drag-queens-cheer

The whole Catholic Church is a con, about selfishness and self interest.

This self interest group, which revolves just around themselves and what they need, trying to attach themselves to the word -- Marriage.

I am glad to see the support for changing Marriage from the public.

Children come last in their churches scheme of things, and they believe it is their right to act as they like, yet they don't realise that you can't change nature, homosexuality is part of nature, and individuals diserve respect, (life, hope and truth).

 

[DB008]

This issue has kind of faded (for now).

Some people were calling for a referendum, if that is the case, why not have a referendum on a few topics/issues at once? Save money and clear the air in one go.

Gay marriage
Euthanasia
Republic
Cannabis

 

[Tisme]

This issue has kind of faded (for now).

Some people were calling for a referendum, if that is the case, why not have a referendum on a few topics/issues at once? Save money and clear the air in one go.

Gay marriage
Euthanasia
Republic
Cannabis

Can we add prevention of oligopolies in politics?

 

[luutzu]

Can we add prevention of oligopolies in politics?

What oligopolies? It's always been one dollar one vote (stolen from Stiglitz).

 

[Tisme]

What oligopolies? It's always been one dollar one vote (stolen from Stiglitz).

Once a threshold is attained, otherwise it's quid pro quo politics.

The Gay marriage thing is gaining traction because both majors see the Greens are stealing donations and gay sympathisers from their rightful benefactors. Last election the Labor Party only garnered 33.4% of the vote and the Libs 32%, the Nationals would always be opposed to gay anything, because as rural folk they know the value of a gay ram in a paddock of ewes.

But the two majors are both imposters of their original skins who are really just an oligopoly in my view. They set the agenda and squeal like stuck pigs when someone democratically disagrees with it. In the case of Bill Shorten, I should probably give him credit due, he doesn't squeal, he just lays down with Mr Misere.

I pay good money through my taxes for politicians to defend my principles, my forefather's principles, etc., but enmasse they seem to be jumping the fence into the paddock of gay marriages instead... in a chase for votes.

 

[Tink]

Austria: National Assembly votes 110-26 against same-sex “marriage”

 

[Tisme]

Austria: National Assembly votes 110-26 against same-sex “marriage”

They can't have realised we are now in the 21st Century!

 

[SirRumpole]

They can't have realised we are now in the 21st Century!

They may have fewer fairies at the bottom of the garden.

 

[Trembling Hand]

I guess the conservatives can put this one with the no climate change denials,

No evidence that children of same sex couples negatively impacted, study shows

A new study from the University of Colorado Denver finds that scientists agree that children of same-sex parents experience "no difference" on a range of social and behavioural outcomes compared to children of heterosexual or single parents.

I found overwhelming evidence that scientists agree that there is not a negative impact to children of same-sex couples

 

[Tisme]

I guess the conservatives can put this one with the no climate change denials,
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150615103946.htm

I often wonder how raw the data is kept when making up these studies. Do they weed out down syndrome kids, autistic kids, left handers, bloodnuts or are same sex couples blessed with perfect kids who would do well without anything in the way of parenting?

Interesting court document here:

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CEQQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.supremecourt.gov%2FObergefellHodges%2FAmicusBriefs%2F14-556_American_College_of_Pediatricians.pdf&ei=YFqLVb2gIcHQmAXqkqWIDA&usg=AFQjCNEp2aWh4ZbT2JvupMC1_ZhO8illig

 

[Tisme]

Rather concerning:

 

[trainspotter]

Worse than that Tisme will be the names of the kids !! I can just see little "Harper" or "Gideon" (same sex parents) getting picked on at school by some schmo kid called "Bruce" (opposite sex parents)

 

[DB008]

Worse than that Tisme will be the names of the kids !! I can just see little "Harper" or "Gideon" (same sex parents) getting picked on at school by some schmo kid called "Bruce" (opposite sex parents)

Anyways, the whole same sex marriage thing doesn't really bother me.

If 2 people are in love, then so be it. Who am I (or you?) to say no to that?