Gay Marriage

[SirRumpole]

I meant Kids, lol not gets

Maybe you meant pets, but did a typo

 

[McLovin]

In Victorian times, the right to enter into legally binding contracts, especially ownership of property, was restricted to members of one gender. Women needed a guardian, and husbands were required to "audit the household books" at least monthly. The same was true in the case of parliamentary elections.

Coverture was alive and well in the Victorian era, and wives were the chattel property of their husbands. I'm sure at the time it was considered necessary for society to keep its "family values".

 

[Value Collector]

Coverture was alive and well in the Victorian era, and wives were the chattel property of their husbands. I'm sure at the time it was considered necessary for society to keep its "family values".

Yes, when people say they are in favour of traditional marriage, I always wonder how "traditional" they mean, Are the talking 1950's traditional or 1650's traditional or Biblical traditional, because traditional can mean some crazy stuff.

And when people like Tink dwell on nostalgic feelings of how good values were back in the day, they should remember it only seemed good because it wasn't "right" to talk about the stuff they thought was bad.

Gays didn't exist back then because we kept them stuffed in the closet with threats, out of wedlock children didn't exist because we sent young girls out of town to have bastard children and then took the child by force and adopted them out, divorce didn't exist because women were taught to stay in bad relationships, couples didn't argue because men would keep "their women" in line, abortion never existed because we had forced marriages/shotgun weddings.

 

[sydboy007]

No longer just think of the children, now it's the poor aliens too

http://mikeheath.blogspot.com.au/2015/05/a-rabid-government-america-forcing.html

The government went further than I imagined possible. In addition to "sexual orientation" they included the category of gender, "trans"gender to be more specific. This is more accurately described as cross dressing on steroids, just as "sexual orientation" is more accurately imagined as sexual perversion.

There's that Christian love they speak so much of

In the article by Austin Ruse mentioned above we find that the virus is spreading rapidly. It won't be enough to pervert the whole world with this evil anti-family worldview. Since the developed governments of the world aspire to colonizing planets we have to prepare for the export of sodomy to other worlds -- to the entire universe!

I think it's time for us Christians to flip open our communicators. Beam me up Scotty.

It's like satan, a rabid dog, sunk his fangs deep into the donkey flesh of our nation's government. And now the deranged ass is infecting other nations.

Oh if only they could be beamed to somewhere else.

Coach Dave told me this week that he has a clip of conservative talker Michael Savage saying that the only force capable of saving America is a militant Christianity.

Uh oh, are they headed down the righteous path like those heathen Muslims?

The America of Chesty men may be gone forever. The America of youthful, virile and patriotic pastors may be gone. But I don't think so.

Ah, lets keep this <G> rated eh

While my son and I were in Seattle, Washington recently I talked with an old friend. She told me of a Christian acquaintance of hers who will probably speak at the conference. Her acquaintance promotes homosexuality as a moral sexual alternative for Christians. She is motivated by the tragic suicide of her drug-addled sexually-deviant son.

This mom thinks that early and frequent exposure of youth to the idea that it is evil to "discriminate" against "gays" will head off suicide. Jesus certainly doesn't agree. He condemns all sex outside of marriage, and isn't kind to adults who work to corrupt their imaginations.

Oh the depth of Christian love that you show. Um, remind me of the verses that Jesus spoke explicitly about sex, because I don't seem to remember him getting too worked up about it. A little bit about divorce and adultery, but that was pretty much it.

Is it too late for America to take the vaccine?

Are the symptoms of judgment evident?

Well, considering a significant minority of US Christians believe the rapture will occur during their lifetime, you're not lone in your feelings of delusion.

 

[Tink]

Syd, as I mentioned, there are a couple of gays that are standing up for Marriage too.
I would say it is a lot more than a couple, that respect Marriage to stay as is.
Mother, Father, and their Children.

Still no reason how bringing in Gay Marriage will be better for society?

By undermining our Christian foundations, you undermine civilisation.
By satisfying present desires, you ensure subsequent chaos and misery.

I find it interesting that you are against segregation but you are happy to have just males or females with a child?
How is that a reflection of society?
You don't think a son needs his father, daughter needs her mother, or vice versa.
You don't think the sexes are different and each contribute to a well rounded child?

NO to removing genders.

We now have a fatherless generation, and we want to make things worse.
Why aren't they up in arms about this puppy farm for women, as Tisme mentioned, where they are there to breed for homosexuals?

The Left has a secret agenda: to replace parenthood with the state.
In particular it despises the father, as the protector of his children.

 

[Value Collector]

Still no reason how bringing in Gay Marriage will be better for society?

We Have answered your question many times, but here it is again.

A society that values equality is a better palce to live for all, so unless it can be shown that Gay marriage is harmful it should not be banned, simple as that.

 

[sydboy007]

Syd, as I mentioned, there are a couple of gays that are standing up for Marriage too.
I would say it is a lot more than a couple, that respect Marriage to stay as is.
Mother, Father, and their Children.

Still no reason how bringing in Gay Marriage will be better for society?

By undermining our Christian foundations, you undermine civilisation.
By satisfying present desires, you ensure subsequent chaos and misery.

I find it interesting that you are against segregation but you are happy to have just males or females with a child?
How is that a reflection of society?
You don't think a son needs his father, daughter needs her mother, or vice versa.
You don't think the sexes are different and each contribute to a well rounded child?

NO to removing genders.

We now have a fatherless generation, and we want to make things worse.
Why aren't they up in arms about this puppy farm for women, as Tisme mentioned, where they are there to breed for homosexuals?

The Left has a secret agenda: to replace parenthood with the state.
In particular it despises the father, as the protector of his children.

I've shown you evidence that has been gathered over decades that shows children raised by same sex parents are not adversely affected. You choose to either ignore or not believe it.

You ignore the fact that the church used to perform same sex marriages in the distant past. It was only due to religious intolerance that homosexuality went through over a thousand years of persecution.

I believe that love for a child, whether from your gold standard, a single parent, same sex parents, is far more important than anything else. You like to pretend the current family unit is perfect, when there's tens of thousands of children in Australia living within abusive families. Somehow that is still preferable to a child being raised by a loving same sex couple.

You insinuate that somehow same sex couples would abuse the children, when we have decades of history to see it's predominantly heterosexuals that are child abusers, that it's members of the same Church you are aligned with that perpetuate the abuse, that systematically covered it up and then done it's best to deny any wrongdoing. How does one argue morality from a morally corrupt position?

Your left state seeking to ursurp parenthood sounds like right wing propaganda. Maybe you prefer "The America of Chesty men...The America of youthful, virile and patriotic pastors..." though I'd prefer an Australia that treats all citizens as equals, that doesn't condemn youth to higher suicide rates because the "mainstream" dominant class lets it be known they value one sexual orientation over all others.

Too many religious people fought against the abolition of slavery, they fought against ending racial segregation, they fought against interracial marriages, they fought against decriminalising homosexuality. Major religions always seem to fight against the very things Jesus would have supported. It amazes me how far most have strayed from the path they profess to be following.

 

[Logique]

Too many hidden agendas for me. It's a con job, and attacks a fundamental pillar of our society.

If it was just about equality, I'd be fine with it. But equality is just the sales pitch.

My local MP has been told in no uncertain terms how to vote.

 

[Junior]

Too many hidden agendas for me. It's a con job, and attacks a fundamental pillar of our society.

If it was just about equality, I'd be fine with it. But equality is just the sales pitch.

My local MP has been told in no uncertain terms how to vote.

What are some examples of the hidden agendas?

 

[luutzu]

Too many hidden agendas for me. It's a con job, and attacks a fundamental pillar of our society.

If it was just about equality, I'd be fine with it. But equality is just the sales pitch.

My local MP has been told in no uncertain terms how to vote.

There are things worth conserving, then there are "pillars" that needs removing, add an arch and extend the view.

There's talks of banning gay marriage to save the children... what about the gay children? The gay adolescents? Should our society protect other children at their expense?

 

[Logique]

Suddenly I'm the one called upon for disclosure.

 

[SirRumpole]

when we have decades of history to see it's predominantly heterosexuals that are child abusers,

Like the gay couple that bought a child from a foreign country so they could abuse him ?

The rate of child abuse among homosexuals would be limited by the numbers of homosexuals (about 5% of the population), and their access to children.

There is nothing to say that they are any better or worse than heterosexuals when it comes to child abuse.

 

[Value Collector]

Suddenly I'm the one called upon for disclosure.

I would also be interested in hearing what these agendas are.

 

[Value Collector]

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There is nothing to say that they are any better or worse than heterosexuals when it comes to child abuse.

Exactly, so risk of child abuse can not be used as an argument against them.

Not to mention that children is a separate issue anyway.

 

[Tink]

Too many hidden agendas for me. It's a con job, and attacks a fundamental pillar of our society.

If it was just about equality, I'd be fine with it. But equality is just the sales pitch.

My local MP has been told in no uncertain terms how to vote.

+1, agree, Logique.

This is about Marriage.

Kicking and stomping that they want to be equal, does not make it so.

Every child adopted by a gay couple is stripped of his parents.

Luutzu, this is not a human rights issue, gays have had civil unions for ten years, which have all the same rights.

Yes, Rumpole, most of the abuse that happens is NOT by the biological parent.

 

[sydboy007]

Like the gay couple that bought a child from a foreign country so they could abuse him ?

The rate of child abuse among homosexuals would be limited by the numbers of homosexuals (about 5% of the population), and their access to children.

There is nothing to say that they are any better or worse than heterosexuals when it comes to child abuse.

Then why is it always an argument against gay marriage about the harm a same sex couple would have on the Children?

 

[sydboy007]

+1, agree, Logique.

This is about Marriage.

Kicking and stomping that they want to be equal, does not make it so.

Every child adopted by a gay couple is stripped of his parents.

Luutzu, this is not a human rights issue, gays have had civil unions for ten years, which have all the same rights.

Yes, Rumpole, most of the abuse that happens is NOT by the biological parent.

https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/child-abuse-and-neglect-statistics

The most recent national figures from the AIHW indicate that during 2012-13, there were 184,216 Australian children suspected of being harmed or at risk of harm from abuse and/or neglect. This resulted in 272,980 notifications being issued by state and territory authorities (a rate of 35.5 notifications per 1,000 Australian children). The total number of notifications represents an increase of 7.9% from the 252,962 reports made in the previous year.


The above types of abuse are most likely to come from biological parents. If not, then an extended family member or someone known to the family. It wont surprise me if things have gotten worse with the slowing of the economy.

 

[sydboy007]

Suddenly I'm the one called upon for disclosure.

You made a claim. In an open forum it's usually good manners to back it up with some evidence.

 

[SirRumpole]

Then why is it always an argument against gay marriage about the harm a same sex couple would have on the Children?

The children argument is more to do with a balance of male and female opinions and attributes in the child's upbringing which gives them a balanced outlook in their lives. Gay parenting does not provide that apart from peripheral characters in the child's life which is not the same as parental guidance.

 

[SirRumpole]

For anyone who may think gays are squeaky clean when it comes to domestic violence.

Woman stabbed in eye, genitals by partner in Brisbane assault

A woman in her 30s has been stabbed multiple times, including in the eye and genitals, by her female partner in western Brisbane, police say.

Police said they were called to a home on Waterworks Road at Ashgrove last night and found a woman with multiple stab wounds.

She was taken to hospital where she remains in a serious condition.

A 25-year-old woman has been charged with rape and acts intended to maim, disfigure or disable.

She is due to appear in the Brisbane Magistrates Court this morning.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-...-genitals-partner-in-brisbane-assault/6520636