Gay Marriage

[Tink]

And yet you gloss over that this girl was raped by her step father, not her father.
I am sure the father would be angry.

What has abortion got to do with gay marriage.

As I said, children shouldn't be bought and sold, nor medical and social experiments, they are not pets.

If you asked a child, I am sure they would say -- their parents.

The gold standard still wins.

 

[SirRumpole]

Further information can be found at

http://groups.psychology.org.au/Asse...P 2 11.pdf

It doesn't take much reading to discover that such publications are a load of cowdung.

From the introduction to this report

Five lesbian couples raising children in Perth, Western Australia were interviewed.

Five ? That's it is it ? What a great sample size on which to base a "scientific" report. But it gets worse

Limitations of this study include the lack of child participants, meaning mothers were speaking on behalf of their children.

WHAT ??? No confirmation bias whatever in this study is there ? Lesbian mothers "speaking for their children" saying what great parents they are ?

Did you even read this Syd ? It's an insult to our intelligence to refer to it when even the most scanty perusal reveals what bull it is.

As a supposed "scientific paper" the only place it belongs is in the rubbish bin.

 

[qldfrog]

about my point about dealing with real issues
http://http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/gambias-president-threatens-to-slit-the-throats-of-gay-men-20150513-gh0h4j.html
and these mentalities are coming here and in Europe by the thousands every month.

 

[bellenuit]

Breaking: Ireland says Yes by up to 2:1 margin

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...and-says-yes-by-up-to-21-margin-31246520.html

Ireland will be the first country that decided the issue by a referendum of its people.

 

[Value Collector]

Breaking: Ireland says Yes by up to 2:1 margin

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...and-says-yes-by-up-to-21-margin-31246520.html

Ireland will be the first country that decided the issue by a referendum of its people.

This is fantastic news, I am so happy for them, I wish I was to celebrate with a Guinness, lol.

 

[sydboy007]

Breaking: Ireland says Yes by up to 2:1 margin

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...and-says-yes-by-up-to-21-margin-31246520.html

Ireland will be the first country that decided the issue by a referendum of its people.

Shame Australia can't be adult enough to do the same. Seems fairer than just waiting on a few politicans to say yay or nay.

 

[orr]

Shame Australia can't be adult enough to do the same. Seems fairer than just waiting on a few politicans to say yay or nay.

Someone has to be amongst the social justice and humanitarian rump. And this is a growing definition that accurately defines too many in our political 'elite'

Though it's still my understanding that Irish have an issue with the womens right to choose.

 

[Pager]

I sometimes think we in the West need a wake up call to what our priorities should be when you see country’s like Ireland waste so much time, effort and money on such a stupid vote, surely there is more pressing issues than this in that Country? Hear there healthcare is in dire need of funds, poverty is pretty high by western standards and unemployment a big problem.

Personally I have no objection to any consenting adult marrying whomever they wish, I bet the poor and war torn nations of the world are pleased Ireland has sorted this out though, and the western world has given it so much attention as well

Pathetic for the Irish nation, hope we never do anything so stupid

 

[sydboy007]

I sometimes think we in the West need a wake up call to what our priorities should be when you see country’s like Ireland waste so much time, effort and money on such a stupid vote, surely there is more pressing issues than this in that Country? Hear there healthcare is in dire need of funds, poverty is pretty high by western standards and unemployment a big problem.

Personally I have no objection to any consenting adult marrying whomever they wish, I bet the poor and war torn nations of the world are pleased Ireland has sorted this out though, and the western world has given it so much attention as well

Pathetic for the Irish nation, hope we never do anything so stupid

100 odd years ago people probably said similar things about allowing Women the right to vote. Gems like:

* BECAUSE it can be of no benefit commensurate with the additional expense involved.
* BECAUSE 80% of the women eligible to vote are married and can only double or annul their husband's votes.
* BECAUSE it is unwise to risk the good we already have for the evil which may occur.

I love that last one

It's easy to see issues of equality as lower order when you sit at the top of the equality ladder.

 

[Pager]

100 odd years ago people probably said similar things about allowing Women the right to vote. Gems like:

* BECAUSE it can be of no benefit commensurate with the additional expense involved.
* BECAUSE 80% of the women eligible to vote are married and can only double or annul their husband's votes.
* BECAUSE it is unwise to risk the good we already have for the evil which may occur.

I love that last one

It's easy to see issues of equality as lower order when you sit at the top of the equality ladder.

Comparing this to the right for woman to vote around a 100 years ago is really going over the top, totally different time, just being in a relationship and living with someone would see you labelled an outcast and heaven forbid you had a child out of wedlock, a bastard who would suffer ridicule and be shunned by society for life.

Referendums should be for major issues were huge change to our way of life and country are the issue, the last was the republican one about 10 years ago, the legalisation of Gay marriage is really something our elected politicians should legislate on with a conscience vote, not as in Ireland were they were too scared to do that for fear of being branded homophobic if they didn’t support it, and maybe more to the point lose votes, and I note the few who did speak out and say it was a waste of money and the country had more pressing issues were branded as such!

If we had such a referendum here in Australia then I would vote YES, and I would guess it would be a landslide for the yes vote in this country but I bet if you asked most of the Yes vote if they thought it had been worth the time and the tens of millions of dollars to hold the referendum they would be an emphatic NO.

 

[sydboy007]

Comparing this to the right for woman to vote around a 100 years ago is really going over the top, totally different time, just being in a relationship and living with someone would see you labelled an outcast and heaven forbid you had a child out of wedlock, a bastard who would suffer ridicule and be shunned by society for life.

Referendums should be for major issues were huge change to our way of life and country are the issue, the last was the republican one about 10 years ago, the legalisation of Gay marriage is really something our elected politicians should legislate on with a conscience vote, not as in Ireland were they were too scared to do that for fear of being branded homophobic if they didn’t support it, and maybe more to the point lose votes, and I note the few who did speak out and say it was a waste of money and the country had more pressing issues were branded as such!

If we had such a referendum here in Australia then I would vote YES, and I would guess it would be a landslide for the yes vote in this country but I bet if you asked most of the Yes vote if they thought it had been worth the time and the tens of millions of dollars to hold the referendum they would be an emphatic NO.

The benefit of a refurendum is it's a public show of support for the change.

If we legalise gay marriage by political legislation then you'll have the division of those against it claiming it's not the will of the people. No one can say that in Ireland because it's been shown to have overwhelming support.

I doubt there'd be much expense or effort if it was tacked on at a federal election. One more box to tick really.

 

[McLovin]

Comparing this to the right for woman to vote around a 100 years ago is really going over the top, totally different time, just being in a relationship and living with someone would see you labelled an outcast and heaven forbid you had a child out of wedlock, a bastard who would suffer ridicule and be shunned by society for life.

Referendums should be for major issues were huge change to our way of life and country are the issue, the last was the republican one about 10 years ago, the legalisation of Gay marriage is really something our elected politicians should legislate on with a conscience vote, not as in Ireland were they were too scared to do that for fear of being branded homophobic if they didn’t support it, and maybe more to the point lose votes, and I note the few who did speak out and say it was a waste of money and the country had more pressing issues were branded as such!

If we had such a referendum here in Australia then I would vote YES, and I would guess it would be a landslide for the yes vote in this country but I bet if you asked most of the Yes vote if they thought it had been worth the time and the tens of millions of dollars to hold the referendum they would be an emphatic NO.

Pretty much agree with you.

Ireland proposed to change their constitution with an amendment which is why there was the requirement of a referendum. I don't think we would require that here. Like you say, I would be bowled over with surprise if a plebiscite on the issue rejected gay marriage. The support has been consistently increasing for years.

 

[sptrawler]

Pretty much agree with you.

Ireland proposed to change their constitution with an amendment which is why there was the requirement of a referendum. I don't think we would require that here. Like you say, I would be bowled over with surprise if a plebiscite on the issue rejected gay marriage. The support has been consistently increasing for years.

That's very true, gay couples are such a large part of our day to day life now, it is really the norm.

I'm sure there would be an overwhelming support for it.

It all boils down to just changing public perception, people just need educating to accept, what is a widely carried out activity.

Don't 12 year old's get married off in some cultures, maybe we can work on that next. lol

Just joking, that would never happen in Australia.

 

[luutzu]

The benefit of a refurendum is it's a public show of support for the change.

If we legalise gay marriage by political legislation then you'll have the division of those against it claiming it's not the will of the people. No one can say that in Ireland because it's been shown to have overwhelming support.

I doubt there'd be much expense or effort if it was tacked on at a federal election. One more box to tick really.

That extra box will mean an extra tick with the pencil, which will add to an extra boxful of pencils around Australia; then there's the extra columns to tally up the results... might end up spending an extra 50 bucks to give gay people their equal rights.

To be fair though, I take Pager's and others' point that the public is overwhelmingly in support of gay marriage that you don't need a Referendum to know which way the vote will go... which begs the question, why hasn't the politicians been representative of the public on that.

 

[Tink]

Well I disagree, if the Gay Lobby thinks it will get through IN AUSTRALIA, then bring on a referendum.

This isn't Europe.

Just like Labor was going to win in a landslide in the UK - I don't believe the polls.

 

[sptrawler]

That extra box will mean an extra tick with the pencil, which will add to an extra boxful of pencils around Australia; then there's the extra columns to tally up the results... might end up spending an extra 50 bucks to give gay people their equal rights.

To be fair though, I take Pager's and others' point that the public is overwhelmingly in support of gay marriage that you don't need a Referendum to know which way the vote will go... which begs the question, why hasn't the politicians been representative of the public on that.

Well let's have a referendum.

I think that would put it to bed, so to speak.

 

[luutzu]

Well let's have a referendum.

I think that would put it to bed, so to speak.

Not under Abbott, he's trying to get in bed with the Pope - or at least be invited to Vatican City and kiss His Holiness ring

That's a bit unfair on Pope Francis... he seems like a good man doing good things. Beats the last one that look like Gollum though.

 

[sptrawler]

Shame Australia can't be adult enough to do the same. Seems fairer than just waiting on a few politicans to say yay or nay.

As the Irish can say now.

"Cheers, up your bum".

Now they can get down to the serious discussion of abortion, rather than something that doesn't include, the inception of a baby.

It is fascinating how people can get caught up in agendas, that have nil importance, yet overlook issues that cause massive social issues.

I guess it depends on who is pushing the barrow.

 

[McLovin]

That's very true, gay couples are such a large part of our day to day life now, it is really the norm.

I'm sure there would be an overwhelming support for it.

I really don't know anyone under 50 who doesn't support it, although I'm sure they exist. It's a complete non-event for most, only the Bible bashers seem to care. As a kid/teen/early 20s I was very homophobic; I didn't like them and thought they were basically deviants. I've worked with them, I have friends and family members who are gay. All the rubbish about paedophilia and marrying dogs says more about the people saying it than the people they're trying to smear.

The whole plebiscite thing is nonsense. A democracy is not just majority rule, it's also the protection, and equal treatment, of minorities.

 

[sptrawler]

I really don't know anyone under 50 who doesn't support it, although I'm sure they exist. It's a complete non-event for most, only the Bible bashers seem to care. As a kid/teen/early 20s I was very homophobic; I didn't like them and thought they were basically deviants. I've worked with them, I have friends and family members who are gay. All the rubbish about paedophilia and marrying dogs says more about the people saying it than the people they're trying to smear.

I agree with you, however I think it all gets a lot more airplay than it deserves.

Jeez, we've got joker's to the left of us, clown's to the right and were listening to this.

The economy could tank tomorrow, if some sports star came out of the closet, the economy wouldn't get air time.lol