Gay Marriage

[Tisme]

What's that got to do with gay marriage?

It was relative to the post I was responding to. Insofar as the topic the participants are pretty much same crew with the same intransigent polar views who sometimes desire to be contrary to targeted members... don't you think?

Some of us think the whole idea of gay marriage is a lampoon on natural customs and sexual drive and an abomination to our primal being as a race and the midichlorians. Of course there will always be aberrant behaviours within any community and there will always be those who make themselves the social conscience (see also new Labor doctrines) to defend those afflicted with whatever mental deficiency drives those behaviours, whatever they may be.

Deep down you know I speak the truth Luke.

 

[SirRumpole]

No, freedom of religion does not give the right to discriminate if you are running a business that is open to the general public, if you wish to pick and choose your clientele in a discriminating manner, simply be upfront about it, and run your business as a club that requires membership.

Fine by me. I take it you have no opposition to men only clubs or women only clubs ?
Or even no Jews, blacks or gays clubs ?

Apparently these have also been banned by anti discrimination legislation.

 

[qldfrog]

Fine by me. I take it you have no opposition to men only clubs or women only clubs ?
Or even no Jews, blacks or gays clubs ?

Apparently these have also been banned by anti discrimination legislation.

was my point, anyway, i do not have much time for that debate:
when an overpopulated world is crumbling, a local economy leading for the wall, you would think that bored and idled people looking for a cause could at least fight for some worthwhile causes;
there are plenty.

 

[Value Collector]

Fine by me. I take it you have no opposition to men only clubs or women only clubs ?
Or even no Jews, blacks or gays clubs ?

Apparently these have also been banned by anti discrimination legislation.

I have no problem with clubs catering to certain groups either, especially if they are invitation only or very exclusive membership, some groups boarder on public establishments, these may cause issues, especially if the club is not open as to its membership requirements.

eg. I have no problem with a club which is openly a Men's club, with applications open to the public refusing a women, But if they refuse a man because he is black, that's wrong, unless they are openly stating they are a white mans club.

But basically if you are a business that's open to the public, you have a responsibility to serve anyone wishing to buy your products, unless there is legal restrictions on the products eg Guns and alcohol.

 

[Value Collector]

Now what do you think would be the reaction to promoting within the state institutions pedophile adoption?

And isn't pedophilia just a sexual orientation after all?

Paedophilia causes harm and generates a victim it's rape, So there is no comparison between it and a relationship between two consenting adults. we don't ban hetero marriage because of paedophilia or rape, so it's not a reason to ban gay marriage either.

We do not allow children to partake in many adult activities, smoking, drinking, driving etc, Sexual activity is not different.

 

[Value Collector]

It was relative to the post I was responding to. Insofar as the topic the participants are pretty much same crew with the same intransigent polar views who sometimes desire to be contrary to targeted members... don't you think?

Well, if your worries about having poo in your hotel room, it would be better to ban couples traveling with young children, they are far more likely to leave a mess.

I do find it weird that people preoccupy themselves with what gays do in the bedroom, but probably don't think about the potential acts or fetishes of straight couples.

Some of us think the whole idea of gay marriage is a lampoon on natural customs and sexual drive and an abomination to our primal being as a race and the midichlorians.

Well it's not, so don't worry about it.

Deep down you know I speak the truth Luke.

On this topic, I actually think you speak a lot of bigoted nonsense.

 

[bellenuit]

And isn't pedophilia just a sexual orientation after all?

No it isn't, it is a psychiatric disorder.

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children

 

[Uncle Festivus]

I do find it weird that people preoccupy themselves with what gays do in the bedroom, but probably don't think about the potential acts or fetishes of straight couples.

Don't you find anal sex disgusting?

 

[Tisme]

Well, if your worries about having poo in your hotel room, it would be better to ban couples traveling with young children, they are far more likely to leave a mess.

I do find it weird that people preoccupy themselves with what gays do in the bedroom, but probably don't think about the potential acts or fetishes of straight couples.



Well it's not, so don't worry about it.



On this topic, I actually think you speak a lot of bigoted nonsense.

Of course the old "bigot" tag; almost as good as the "nazi" tag given mods. You don't suppose you are being a bigot by calling me out for my view that differ from yours, yet mine are in the majority? And yes I am aware that babies poo and as a rule their damage is cleaned up by parents with necessary doses of 'Milton' or whatever is used these days; and if you had looked at the vid it was not homosexual behaviour Tosh was sampling.

I concerns me you don't seem to take hygiene seriously and are prepared for others to suffer illness by exposing them to septic environs.

 

[qldfrog]

No it isn't, it is a psychiatric disorder.

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children

well isn't it applied in australia to any sex between adult and under aged/minor?
I would have been quite happy to have sex with some 20ish in my 16th;
anyway, not a subject i do find any value except rants from PC hordes.
Discrimination against gay, yes I can fight against, but gay marriage when you can have legal civil union is just a semantic point

 

[Value Collector]

Don't you find anal sex disgusting?

Not really, it's not something my wife and I do, but I am not disgusted by the thought of it.

If you're disgusted by it then don't have it, simple as that, don't sit around thinking about other couples bedroom activities.

but anal sex isn't limited to gay men, hetero couples have anal sex as well, not to mention a range of other activities which do disgust me, but each to their own, if it makes them happy and doesn't harm others, Go for it.

If I owned a hotel and a gay couple checked in, I wouldn't be sitting there day dreaming about them having anal sex, and I can't see why anyone else would. A lot of gay couples don't even have much anal sex, I have heard blow jobs and mutual masturbation are more popular.

 

[Value Collector]

Of course the old "bigot" tag; almost as good as the "nazi" tag given mods. You don't suppose you are being a bigot by calling me out for my view that differ from yours, yet mine are in the majority? And yes I am aware that babies poo and as a rule their damage is cleaned up by parents with necessary doses of 'Milton' or whatever is used these days; and if you had looked at the vid it was not homosexual behaviour Tosh was sampling.

even if your views were the majority, that's just an argument from popularity fallacy, it means nothing, but it won't be that way for long, the generation that holds your view is dying off, they younger generation is much more supportive of gay rights.

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I concerns me you don't seem to take hygiene seriously and are prepared for others to suffer illness by exposing them to septic environs

It concerns me that you think any environment that a gay couple has inhabitited is septic.

 

[Value Collector]

well isn't it applied in australia to any sex between adult and under aged/minor?
I would have been quite happy to have sex with some 20ish in my 16th;
anyway, not a subject i do find any value except rants from PC hordes.

Two slightly different things, the legal definition is based on age (there has to be a legal line in the sand), but the psychological condition different, it's about being attracted to prepubescent boys or girls.

Eg, A 19 could technically be convicted of paedophila if he had sex with a fully developped 15 year old, even though she is of breeding age. you and I should both be able to agree that it is a far cry from having sex with a 5 year old.

Discrimination against gay, yes I can fight against, but gay marriage when you can have legal civil union is just a semantic poinT

If it's just a semantic point, why have the two classes?

It's a bit like saying "yes I can fight for equal rights for blacks, but when blacks can ride in the back of the bus, having them fight for the right to sit at the front is just a semantic point"

 

[Tisme]

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It concerns me that you think any environment that a gay couple has inhabitited is septic.

Do you have any idea of the promiscuity and acts that homosexuals get up to? You seem very naïve or blinkered, which astounds me given your apparent ability to hold a reasonable argument on other matters.

Only 2% of them have something approaching monogamy
50% have more encounters in a lifetime with different men than there are days in a year
30% have more "partners" than there days in three years

This nothing to do with bigotry or hysteria. Homosexuals are by and large preoccupied by the thrill of the chase and the forbidden fruit nature of their acts. I'm sure many have convinced themselves that marriage is for them, but it seems to run counter to the liberal nature of their desires for multiple liasons.

You want to ignore the rates of herpes, hepC, hepB, CMV and any other venereal diseases that hang around the homosexual community in defence of fringe dwellers, while ignobly ignoring the health and welfare of the majority it seems.

I can't help but think you defend gay marriage and homosexuality in general because it's a cause you have welded yourself to from whatever trigger (underdog, vilification, protest, etc), but can't bring yourself to confront the general behaviours and mindsets of homosexuals and the risks they pose to a myriad of social and health issues.

 

[bellenuit]

Eg, A 19 could technically be convicted of paedophila if he had sex with a fully developped 15 year old, even though she is of breeding age. you and I should both be able to agree that it is a far cry from having sex with a 5 year old.

Are you sure? Isn't that just statutory rape not paedophilia?

 

[SirRumpole]

No it isn't, it is a psychiatric disorder.

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children

So pedophiles should be in mental asylums not prisons ?

I think that's a good idea as they can be kept indefinitely untill they are deemed "cured", unlike prisons where they have to be let out at some stage, probably to continue their crimes.

 

[Value Collector]

Are you sure? Isn't that just statutory rape not paedophilia?

it all comes down to the legal definitions of the individual state / country.

My point is, that what is "psychological paedophilia" and what is legal paedophilia is two different things.

I think we have all (especially as younger men) seen a girl and thought "gee she's looking pretty sexy" only to find out she is under age, now there is a social stigma to admitting you find a younger girl attractive, but it is quite normal to be attracted to a girl if she is fully developed, this is very, very different, from a guy who finds girls (or boys) attractive that are un developed,

 

[Value Collector]

Do you have any idea of the promiscuity.

probably the same amount as most young men would, if they could find willing female participants. But how is that any of our business?

and acts that homosexuals get up to?

you seem naïve if you think heterosexual couples don't also do a whole host of crazy acts. However just like in the hetero sexual community, I think the really crazy stuff is in the minority.

Only 2% of them have something approaching monogamy

So what? If you want more monogamy, then you should be supporting gay marriage and accepting their right to have family's they can commit to.

50% have more encounters in a lifetime with different men than there are days in a year

Most straight men would if they could also.

This nothing to do with bigotry or hysteria.

I disagree, you seem completely hysterical on this topic.

You want to ignore the rates of herpes, hepC, hepB, CMV and any other venereal diseases that hang around the homosexual community in defence of fringe dwellers, while ignobly ignoring the health and welfare of the majority it seems.

Those diseases are not limited to the gay community.

I can't help but think you defend gay marriage and homosexuality in general because it's a cause you have welded yourself to from whatever trigger (underdog, vilification, protest, etc), but can't bring yourself to confront the general behaviours and mindsets of homosexuals and the risks they pose to a myriad of social and health issues

I defend them because I believe treating people equally, allowing people freedom to choose their own life style makes the country better

 

[qldfrog]

it all comes down to the legal definitions of the individual state / country.

My point is, that what is "psychological paedophilia" and what is legal paedophilia is two different things.

I think we have all (especially as younger men) seen a girl and thought "gee she's looking pretty sexy" only to find out she is under age, now there is a social stigma to admitting you find a younger girl attractive, but it is quite normal to be attracted to a girl if she is fully developed, this is very, very different, from a guy who finds girls (or boys) attractive that are un developed,

Agree but the law is only looking at the age figure, remember berlusconi and the 17y old prostitute;
Hard to see that as pedophilia
anyway, we are getting distracted, and my point is that I am 100% sure that the battle for gay marriage is not about the marriage but what is currently linked to marriage in 100's of law, and I believe especially adoption, and donating mother.
But anyway, to each his own battle just sad to see all that media mess and involvement for such a subject
and everyday children and women are raped and executed by IS and gays are bashed and murdered in countless countries (Africa, middle east, indonesia)
But easier to shout and agitate for gay marriage here than fight these real issues

 

[Uncle Festivus]

even if your views were the majority, that's just an argument from popularity fallacy, it means nothing, but it won't be that way for long, the generation that holds your view is dying off, they younger generation is much more supportive of gay rights.

Well no, it's just that there are laws against free speech these days? Privately, the views expressed by most are somewhat different to the inner city latte set and talking heads, air kissing society types who frequent TV and self appoint themselves as societies moral compass that we must all agree with?

Do you have any idea of the promiscuity and acts that homosexuals get up to? You seem very naïve or blinkered, which astounds me given your apparent ability to hold a reasonable argument on other matters.

et al good points/post