Gay Marriage

[McLovin]

I agree with you, however I think it all gets a lot more airplay than it deserves.

Jeez, we've got joker's to the left of us, clown's to the right and were listening to this.

The economy could tank tomorrow, if some sports star came out of the closet, the economy wouldn't get air time.lol

I don't disagree, sp. Then again, if I was in their shoes I'd probably want to be keeping it on the radar.

 

[sptrawler]

I don't disagree, sp. Then again, if I was in their shoes I'd probably want to be keeping it on the radar.

Same as most other inwardly focused groups. It is about time people got over themselves and realised, we actually have some serious issues.

The problem is, affluence in the first world, is so far out of step with reality.

Wastage, consumerism and greed, is driving unsustainable demands on resources, both financial and social.

Yet we are obsessed with media driven agendas.

Young people on welfare are feeding up on fast foods, drugs and alchohol, their life expectancy will be shot to $hit.
But it can't be said because it's politicly incorrect, don't tell them they're fat, don't tell them they're lazy, don't tell them to get off their ar$e.

No tell them they're underpriveliged, that's why they can't cook, can't walk to the shops, can do sod all.

Much better to have nonsense side issues on the go, gives the media something to dribble on about.lol

My rant for the week.

 

[sptrawler]

Maybe not.

Another example of media and loonie left wing agenda.IMO Was the onshore gas processing plant near Broome.

The media and loonies, stopped it, now the gas will be processed offshore and shipped away.

Which meant a loss of thousands of jobs, plus viable downstream industries being developed.

Now all we hear about is the social problems and criminal activity in Broome, also what are we going to do, to solve it.

Maybe they can get Bob Brown to come up with some ideas, he`was vocal enough opposing the gas hub, funny we don't hear his solution to the Aboriginal social problems there.

No, nothing like agendas, that have no responsiblity or accountability attached to them.
All you need is a sympathetic or lazy media, that need easy, emotionally driven argument. Well that's my belief.

I'll class that as a rant continuation.

 

[sydboy007]

Maybe not.

Another example of media and loonie left wing agenda.IMO Was the onshore gas processing plant near Broome.

The media and loonies, stopped it, now the gas will be processed offshore and shipped away.

Which meant a loss of thousands of jobs, plus viable downstream industries being developed.

Now all we hear about is the social problems and criminal activity in Broome, also what are we going to do, to solve it.

Maybe they can get Bob Brown to come up with some ideas, he`was vocal enough opposing the gas hub, funny we don't hear his solution to the Aboriginal social problems there.

No, nothing like agendas, that have no responsiblity or accountability attached to them.
All you need is a sympathetic or lazy media, that need easy, emotionally driven argument. Well that's my belief.

I'll class that as a rant continuation.

SP

all the Gas is being shipped off shore. Unless Australians are willing to pay Asian export pricing the gas is no longer available to Australians. Gas usage charges are going to double over the next few years, and will end up close to 3 times higher than before this lunacy started.

There's plenty of Gas we can get from SA, but now the CS-LNG terminals in QLD are all short of gas they're siphoning it away from east coast domestic users. Even the USA doesn't force domestic users to compete against the rest of the world.

So what do the bright sparks look at doing now? They want to build a massively expensive pipeline from the NT to bring in gas from the off shore fields there. So on the one hand we have gas on the east coast that could be piped to domestic users via existing infrastructure being exported, and now we're thinking to build a new pipeline, adding extra costs onto domestic users, when it would be better to export the gas from NT and use the CSG on the east coast. But then that would cause massive write downs on those new plants, so better to keep the corporate profits and whack the Aussies yet again.

 

[SirRumpole]

SP

all the Gas is being shipped off shore. Unless Australians are willing to pay Asian export pricing the gas is no longer available to Australians. Gas usage charges are going to double over the next few years, and will end up close to 3 times higher than before this lunacy started.

There's plenty of Gas we can get from SA, but now the CS-LNG terminals in QLD are all short of gas they're siphoning it away from east coast domestic users. Even the USA doesn't force domestic users to compete against the rest of the world.

So what do the bright sparks look at doing now? They want to build a massively expensive pipeline from the NT to bring in gas from the off shore fields there. So on the one hand we have gas on the east coast that could be piped to domestic users via existing infrastructure being exported, and now we're thinking to build a new pipeline, adding extra costs onto domestic users, when it would be better to export the gas from NT and use the CSG on the east coast. But then that would cause massive write downs on those new plants, so better to keep the corporate profits and whack the Aussies yet again.

Don't know what this has to do with gay marriage, but it seems to me that thousands of Australian businesses that consume gas (as well as households) are being disadvantaged for the benefit of a few very large and most likely foreign owned gas exporters.

So how can this government claim to be supportive of local businesses when they are forced to pay export prices for gas ?

Any sensible position should be that we get the benefit of our own resources first, but obviously this has been subsumed by the idiotic "free market" ideology of twits like the IPA.

 

[luutzu]

Don't know what this has to do with gay marriage, but it seems to me that thousands of Australian businesses that consume gas (as well as households) are being disadvantaged for the benefit of a few very large and most likely foreign owned gas exporters.

So how can this government claim to be supportive of local businesses when they are forced to pay export prices for gas ?

Any sensible position should be that we get the benefit of our own resources first, but obviously this has been subsumed by the idiotic "free market" ideology of twits like the IPA.

Read from one of Santos' annual reports and they say Australia has the equivalent of around 100 years' worth of gas at current projected domestic consumption. Their next line is - let's sell most of it and make some money

"Free market" is only ever raised when it benefits the big boys. When it would harm their profit, free market becomes "bail us out", national security, national interests, and jobs for the people of Australia, for the Aussie battlers.

 

[trainspotter]

Ya just gotta know when to call it quits ....

TWO men in a gay relationship, and who had plans to marry, have discovered that they are actually brothers.

The pair, named Paul and Lee, appeared on the Jeremy Kyle Show to have a DNA test after Lee’s family and friends noticed an uncanny resemblance between Paul and his mum’s former husband, Ron.

The couple, who met online after two years of sending flirty messages back and forth, decided to get the DNA test hoping it would prove to everyone that they weren’t related.

However they were left visibly distressed when Kyle tells them the shocking news.

“The test results show that you two ... you’re half brothers,” he said.


The pair sat in silence for about 20 seconds, clearly unable to comprehend the revelation.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...graph&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial

 

[luutzu]

Ya just gotta know when to call it quits ....



http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...graph&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial

Now they can be best buddies - without the sex. Like marriage with children.

 

[Value Collector]

It is fascinating how people can get caught up in agendas, that have nil importance, yet overlook issues that cause massive social issues.

I can't see how the issue has nil importance, I would think that if you were gay, you would probably think it was quite important for you to have equal rights.

But anyway, the fact that of all the issues society has, this issue is one that can be fixed almost instantly, there fore it should be fixed asap.

Offcourse there are many other bigger issues, that are hard to fix and disserve attention, But that doesn't mean you ignore the other issues, especially when they are so simple to fix.

 

[Tink]

Well going by VC, that is fine that brothers are now an item - nothing is morally wrong.

They pay taxes and should be married.

We can't start discriminating on people.

The start of anarchy.

Correct me if I am wrong, VC.

 

[Knobby22]

Ya just gotta know when to call it quits ....



http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...graph&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial

Classic case of people going out with clones of themselves.
You see hetero couples where the wife and husband look so similar they could be twins. Pretty funny.

 

[Value Collector]

Well going by VC, that is fine that brothers are now an item - nothing is morally wrong.

They pay taxes and should be married.

We can't start discriminating on people.



Correct me if I am wrong, VC.

Incest is a separate topic from gay marriage, allowing gay marriage would not be the same as allowing incest in exactly the same way that allowing straight marriage does not allow incest.

However, although I (and most of society) would be repulsed at the idea of entering a sexual relationship with a sibling, my personal thoughts on it are not enough to make it illegal, it would have to be shown that it is harmful to others in society for me to agree that it is morally wrong and needs to be banned.

There is probably reasons to not allow incest relationships to copulate, but that comes down to scientific evidence.

But don't you believe the earth was populated by incest, twice.

The start of anarchy.

That's a bit hysterical isn't it?

 

[luutzu]

...

But don't you believe the earth was populated by incest, twice.



That's a bit hysterical isn't it?

ha ha

 

[sydboy007]

Well going by VC, that is fine that brothers are now an item - nothing is morally wrong.

They pay taxes and should be married.

We can't start discriminating on people.

The start of anarchy.

Correct me if I am wrong, VC.

Suppose you could be referring to the anarchy in Josh Duggar's family?

They certainly know how to pop them out. Even a reality show 19 kids and counting.

Josh and the family are staunch activists against gay marriage, citing all those evil things that will become of society should it be allowed, especially around children.

Now it turns out Josh was a kiddie fiddler molesting several girls as a teenager. Family sent him off for counselling via a Church elder who ran a home remodelling business and a Christian work program that focused on hard physical work. Gosh if only we'd known how easy it was to reform a paedophile.

Being the good Christians that the Duggar family are, it only took them a year to notify authorities of the crime. Suppose they did a bit better than most of the catholic church there.

The parents never allowed the police to actually talk to Josh though. So basically the girls were denied any form of justice.

So how does Josh show he's sorry for what he's done. Oh he asked Christ to come into his life and to forgive him. He's very thankful for God's grace, mercy and redemption. Everything's just fine and dandy because God's OK with it.

I want to call it hypocracy, but Tink, I think lets just call it anarchy. It's already here. Shame the religious seem to be so often the cause.

A Stanza on Freedom By James Russell Lowell

THEY are slaves who fear to speak
For the fallen and the weak;
They are slaves who will not choose
Hatred, scoffing, and abuse,
Rather than in silence shrink
From the truth they needs must think;
They are slaves who dare not be
In the right with two or three.

 

[trainspotter]

Classic case of people going out with clones of themselves.
You see hetero couples where the wife and husband look so similar they could be twins. Pretty funny.

Oh you mean like this?



Or did you mean this?



Ohhh I get it now like this?

 

[Tisme]

So 36% of the eligible voters changed the constitution of Ireland. They should have had mandatory voting.

It's not like the Irish are historically law abiding when it comes to the rule of law anyway, preferring gelignite to settle things.

I'm guessing the excommunication from the church will begin once the dust settles.

 

[Value Collector]

I'm guessing the excommunication from the church will begin once the dust settles.

That's a bit like a hippy threatening to punch you in your aurora as they say.

 

[jbocker]

Gay Marriage will happen in time, I just hope the politicians would get on with legalising it. I think it is a tragedy of love that two consenting adults cannot commit to each other in the form of a marriage if that is what they wish to do.
With gay marriage legalised, the community culture will move to greater acceptance and respect. With that we can then have many homosexuals finally liberated in the love of their preference.

Don't waste time and money, It is not a referendum issue.

 

[qldfrog]

Incest is a separate topic from gay marriage, allowing gay marriage would not be the same as allowing incest in exactly the same way that allowing straight marriage does not allow incest.

I would disagree on that:
I have the same stance on both subject: incest should not be illegal, nor should gay couple: as long as you do not hurt any unwilling person, do as you please but procreation as a result of incest should be forbidden due to the obvious proven risks to the kids.
Marriage in either gay and incest cases should not be legal or use another name..like civil union which exists already.
Otherwise you redefine the name Marriage and so remove its value
but who should oppose the Kardashian of PC and society politics;
In a world where coloured american are named african americans, we will have Peter married to Paul...who cares as long as the next Big Brother is still on
While Rome is burning....
And I also think a referendum should be mandatory for items of society change; [where I would vote null on Gay marriage as in Australia, we can not express our " I do not care feeling" otherwise due to the evil compulsory voting]

 

[Tisme]

I would disagree on that:
I have the same stance on both subject: incest should not be illegal, nor should gay couple:.... While Rome is burning.......

I think it's only a matter of time before, incest, paedophilia, zoo sex, polygamy, unmitigated pornography; any taboo or depraved act will become acceptable in first world countries lest hurting hurting the love and bond feelings of individuals in some lobby/interest group. Society will be considered robust enough to ignore history, because history is for old people who have no idea about anything except pagan worship and phonograph records.

Meanwhile the powerless few who cannot abide the loss of moral and ethical codes will migrate to comparatively nuance social consciousness' like Islam, eventually a cleansing war, religious power clock reset and 1-2k years later another reset, another reset, another reset, etc

Marriage became redundant ages ago, as technology took the place of "honey I'm home". Much easier having a relationship with a solid state media player or computer than the tedious task of justifying the human condition to a, hand on hip wildcat, other half. A wedding is just another show off event and excuse to break the boredom of a stalled or stale relationship IMO.