Freedom of speech and protest

[basilio]

Ah yes, and basilio is your real name isnt it.

And for the record my name is a matter of public record here and Ill tell it to anyone who wants to know.

Have you got the the cajones tough boy?

Is that a threat ?

 

[basilio]

And oh yes, Karma. It's a real bitch Mr Anonymous, Mr "smear and not debate".

It's going to get really interesting who that bus ultimately runs over. I can't wait.

Or is that a "threat" ?
Or just the normal fun comments we make on this lovely, warm, pleasant little forum.

 

[wayneL]

Is that a threat ?

Oh please.

It is an invitation to you, in light of your pedagogery regarding Tommy's real name, to reveal your real name.

You know, to mitigate your monumental hypocrisy.

 

[wayneL]

Or is that a "threat" ?
Or just the normal fun comments we make on this lovely, warm, pleasant little forum.

Threats are for the left basilio. I leave the karma bus to its own device. I will merely be an interested observer.

 

[basilio]

Oh please.

It is an invitation to you, in light of your pedagogery regarding Tommy's real name, to reveal your real name.

You know, to mitigate your monumental hypocrisy.

Nah. Just don't buy it Wayne. Just... not... true.
I've heard a thousand snide comments from school bullies intended to put the frighteners on their next pet project (true !) to recognise menace when I hear it.

 

[dutchie]

Or is that a "threat" ?
Or just the normal fun comments we make on this lovely, warm, pleasant little forum.

I think it's a racist, homophobic, fascist threat.

 

[dutchie]

Is that a threat ?

Don't come along with that sort of sh@t.

 

[wayneL]

Nah. Just don't buy it Wayne. Just... not... true.
I've heard a thousand snide comments from school bullies intended to put the frighteners on their next pet project (true !) to recognise menace when I hear it.

I think the basilio is actually Cathy Newman.

She is a only person I've seen to do transparently and shamelessly transmogrify a perfectly innocent comment into a perfectly ludicrous smear not related to the original comment.

Actually, no, they all do that don't they?

 

[Tisme]

I think the basilio is actually Cathy Newman.

She is a only person I've seen to do transparently and shamelessly transmogrify a perfectly innocent comment into a perfectly ludicrous smear not related to the original comment.

Actually, no, they all do that don't they?

If only my gag order could be lifted

 

[basilio]

a perfectly innocent comment

Yep . "But I ain't said Nuthing Sir. Ya can't prove anthink. "
Wrap it up will you Wayne. "Tommy Robinson" is a very public figure with a cause to push. I can totally understand the use of a different, more "English" name than Stephem Laxley-Lennon. Lots of people in the public eye create new names to assist heir image.

But Stephen/Tommys desire to be a public figure has nothing to do with my or anyone elses privacy on this forum. Trying to bait or insult me because I won't expose myself here is not on.

The issue of the conversation was whether Tommy was being denied his freedom of speech by interviewing defendents in a trial for Face Book while the trial was still in progress. The facts are "Freedom of Speech" is not absolute or sacrostant. The Judiciary system says clearly the rights of people to a fair trial take precedence while the trail is progress. Tommy has already had a run in for attempting to undermine that right in a previous trial. He has done it again and the court has said "enough is enough", he is in contempt of court and this is the penalty.

 

[moXJO]

Yep . "But I ain't said Nuthing Sir. Ya can't prove anthink. "
Wrap it up will you Wayne. "Tommy Robinson" is a very public figure with a cause to push. I can totally understand the use of a different, more "English" name than Stephem Laxley-Lennon. Lots of people in the public eye create new names to assist heir image.

But Stephen/Tommys desire to be a public figure has nothing to do with my or anyone elses privacy on this forum. Trying to bait or insult me because I won't expose myself here is not on.

The issue of the conversation was whether Tommy was being denied his freedom of speech by interviewing defendents in a trial for Face Book while the trial was still in progress. The facts are "Freedom of Speech" is not absolute or sacrostant. The Judiciary system says clearly the rights of people to a fair trial take precedence while the trail is progress. Tommy has already had a run in for attempting to undermine that right in a previous trial. He has done it again and the court has said "enough is enough", he is in contempt of court and this is the penalty.

Can someone clarify the actual law of media and law cases. I know certain cases have media gag orders to prevent the victim being identified. But there are plenty of cases where the media chase those accused while at trial.

Wouldn't the chasing and outing of Harvey Weinstein in the media prejudice the case?
Or will that be judge not jury?

 

[SirRumpole]

But there are plenty of cases where the media chase those accused while at trial.

Cardinal Pell ?

 

[Tisme]

Can someone clarify the actual law of media and law cases. I know certain cases have media gag orders to prevent the victim being identified. But there are plenty of cases where the media chase those accused while at trial.

Wouldn't the chasing and outing of Harvey Weinstein in the media prejudice the case?
Or will that be judge not jury?

We've got our own mouth who was pinged and now warms his bum on a Senate seat.

 

[wayneL]

Yep . "But I ain't said Nuthing Sir. Ya can't prove anthink. "
Wrap it up will you Wayne. "Tommy Robinson" is a very public figure with a cause to push. I can totally understand the use of a different, more "English" name than Stephem Laxley-Lennon. Lots of people in the public eye create new names to assist heir image.

But Stephen/Tommys desire to be a public figure has nothing to do with my or anyone elses privacy on this forum. Trying to bait or insult me because I won't expose myself here is not on.

The issue of the conversation was whether Tommy was being denied his freedom of speech by interviewing defendents in a trial for Face Book while the trial was still in progress. The facts are "Freedom of Speech" is not absolute or sacrostant. The Judiciary system says clearly the rights of people to a fair trial take precedence while the trail is progress. Tommy has already had a run in for attempting to undermine that right in a previous trial. He has done it again and the court has said "enough is enough", he is in contempt of court and this is the penalty.

Oh dear,

You missed the point I was making (in the midst of trying to slur my intention). Tommy started using his nom de plume to try to protect his family, much the same reason you want to maintain your anonymity here.

Fair enough I say, but I think I adequately exposed your hypocrisy on this point. So, I won't wrap it up and you can get stuffed, bas.

Re the imprisonment of Tommy, I just got off the phone from a client of mine who is a retired QC. He has been following the case but wouldn't be drawn on it until everything is known. He did make the point that there are several irregularities that he would like to follow up and that the guilty plea sounded suspiciously like a "plea bargain", to use the american phrase.

Stay tuned for that.

 

[basilio]

Why not check out this analysis on the contempt of court charge against Tommy ?

Don't call it censorship when Islam critic's simply in contempt of court
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/...contempt-of-court/.../680754cc4a98167fa75ba4afcf...
2 days ago - “Why aren't you defending Tommy Robinson?” asked many readers last weekend. The answer is simple: sometimes this British political activist ...

 

[wayneL]

Why not check out this analysis on the contempt of court charge against Tommy ?

Don't call it censorship when Islam critic's simply in contempt of court
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/...contempt-of-court/.../680754cc4a98167fa75ba4afcf...
2 days ago - “Why aren't you defending Tommy Robinson?” asked many readers last weekend. The answer is simple: sometimes this British political activist ...

I will perform my own analysis when everything is known thank you (with the help of some pretty high brow legal opinion)

It is quite probable that to the letter of the law, he is in contempt, but then on that basis, so are most of the press.

Like my client said... Irregularities bro.

 

[Tisme]

"British judge laughs as police arrest Tommy Robinson"

 

[wayneL]

"British judge laughs as police arrest Tommy Robinson"

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This is one of the many "irregularities" my retired qc friend mentioned. This makes the magistrate both witness and judicial. This is problematic.

 

[basilio]

"British judge laughs as police arrest Tommy Robinson"

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I can see three people looking out the window. Can anyone see them laughing ?

(Or is that just a useful inflammatory tag for the picture ?)

 

[PZ99]

They look like window cleaners to me