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30 Green Marxist wankers disrupt parliament question time...Protesting screaming and yelling...

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/3336775...ter-asylum-protesters-storm-parliament/#page1

Most government MPs, including Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, left the chamber during the protest but Labor leader Bill Shorten remained.

Greens MP Adam Bandt praised the actions of the protesters.

At least they stand up for their convictions.
If everyone that disagrees with certain facets of the Government is a "Green Marxist Wanker", you'll have to tar about 90% of the Australian population with that brush. Including Tony Abbott, who quite often and outspoken criticises his elected successor.
The proper answer to dissent is not walking out in a huff, but stay and listen, then take some time out and think about ways how people at your mercy could be treated a little more humanely. But it's of course so much easier to run away from one's job and keep blaming the Opposition for anything one doesn't have the guts or compassion to deal with.
 
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What a crock if shyte, pixel.

I we (or lunatics like bandt) praise such actions, then that legitimizes any and every group of protesters with a faux grievance, tree huggers, anti immigration groups, PETA, the pro gun lobby, legalize marijuana groups, the list goes on and on.

What then? Parliament ceases to function because of riff raff and wasters glueing themselves to the furniture.


Think about what you are saying, man. That's just ludicrous.

This really belongd in the lunatic left thread. :rolleyes:
 
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I guess one answer is to put spectators in a soundproof box with speakers so they can listen but can't be heard.


They can stick posters on the glass if they like, but they won't interrupt proceedings.


Not that QT is worth listening to, it's a farce, with Turnbull's feigned outrage, Morrison's bullying arrogance, and Dutton's facism.
 
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What a crock if shyte, pixel.

I we (or lunatics like bandt) praise such actions, then that legitimizes any and every group of protesters with a faux grievance, tree huggers, anti immigration groups, PETA, the pro gun lobby, legalize marijuana groups, the list goes on and on.

What then? Parliament ceases to function because of riff raff and wasters glueing themselves to the furniture.

Think about what you are saying, man. That's just ludicrous.

This really belongd in the lunatic left thread. :rolleyes:

Oh Wayne,
I thought you knew better than that.

My rant was purely an extended reply to the "Marxist Wanker" trolling.

If you believe it's OK to treat human beings the way "illegals" are, by all means, stand next to noco and cast the next stone. Or shut your eyes and run away like Turnbull and Cabinet members.

If showing a modicum of compassion makes me a left lunatic, I'll wear that badge with pride.
 
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Oh Wayne,
I thought you knew better than that.

My rant was purely an extended reply to the "Marxist Wanker" trolling.

If you believe it's OK to treat human beings the way "illegals" are, by all means, stand next to noco and cast the next stone. Or shut your eyes and run away like Turnbull and Cabinet members.

If showing a modicum of compassion makes me a left lunatic, I'll wear that badge with pride.

I like your self appraisal......Not many would admit to it like you have.
 
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Oh Wayne,
I thought you knew better than that.

My rant was purely an extended reply to the "Marxist Wanker" trolling.

If you believe it's OK to treat human beings the way "illegals" are, by all means, stand next to noco and cast the next stone. Or shut your eyes and run away like Turnbull and Cabinet members.

If showing a modicum of compassion makes me a left lunatic, I'll wear that badge with pride.

:xyxthumbs

Great post. Agree totally.
 
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Oh Wayne,
I thought you knew better than that.

My rant was purely an extended reply to the "Marxist Wanker" trolling.

If you believe it's OK to treat human beings the way "illegals" are, by all means, stand next to noco and cast the next stone. Or shut your eyes and run away like Turnbull and Cabinet members.

If showing a modicum of compassion makes me a left lunatic, I'll wear that badge with pride.

FYI

The reference to lunatic left was for Bandt, not you.

Re compassion, sure, but surely you see that we cannot allow unfettered immigration, whether by normal, legal or illegal channels AND maintain our country by its intended social design.

But, if the shoe fits...
 
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The usual Fabian ridicule reply to silence your opponent and ain't gonna work sonny.
Does that mean you're a Fabian since you want people who protest in parliament to be silenced?!? :D
 
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Does that mean you're a Fabian since you want people who protest in parliament to be silenced?!? :D

Are you talking about that Marxist Green rabble that disrupted parliament yesterday?

I am sure the majority of people in this country were disgusted at such behavior and I am sure it would not have increased the Greens popularity ....They are already on the slide....There is a right and wrong way of going about a demonstration and the way they did it yesterday was the wrong way.

You seem to forget the Government has Labor bi-partisan support on the settlement of illegal boat people on Manus and Nauru and that is they will not be coming to Australia.

Do you understand or would you like me to send you a message in Braille if you cannot rtead?
 
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Do you understand or would you like me to send you a message in Braille if you cannot rtead?
So basically you are saying that free speech should only allowed if it does not disgust you (or supposedly someone else)?

Well, that in itself is very interesting and seems to contradict your views re 18C!!
 
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So basically you are saying that free speech should only allowed if it does not disgust you (or supposedly someone else)?

Well, that in itself is very interesting and seems to contradict your views re 18C!!

I thought the Hillbilly Dictator died in 2005, turns out he's living up in Townsville.
 
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So basically you are saying that free speech should only allowed if it does not disgust you (or supposedly someone else)?

Well, that in itself is very interesting and seems to contradict your views re 18C!!

So what are my views on 18c?..I have basically said nothing, so please don't try fabricating something that is not true......You are romancing with yourself.

Free speech is a treasure that is being destroyed by the Lunatic left......Just ask Gillian Triggs or Cindy Prior......Ask the 3 university students, Bill Leak and Andrew Bolt what they think of 18c.
 
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I thought the Hillbilly Dictator died in 2005, turns out he's living up in Townsville.

I don't know him....who is he or don't you have the guts to put name to it...I am sure Joe Blow would also like to know.

Your personal attacks are getting our of hand but I guess that is the only juvenile way you know.
 
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So what are my views on 18c?..I have basically said nothing, so please don't try fabricating something that is not true......You are romancing with yourself.
Ahh, but you have said, and I paraphrase here, that you want it removed as it stops free speech.

Now this is where there seems to be a contradiction in your view that free speech should be protected.

You say things like:

Free speech is a treasure that is being destroyed by the Lunatic left.......

But then you feel disgusted when a group uses their free speech to protest in parliament. Or to protest Trump's presidency.

It sounds to me like you want the following:

Free speech for anyone who is right-wing and agrees with you.

No free speech for anyone who is left-wing and disagrees with you.

Correct?

I also note that personal attacks are free speech so....

Your personal attacks are getting our of hand but I guess that is the only juvenile way you know

....Seems like another odd statement made by someone who treasures free speech!!!
 
Gents, I'm just extricating this discussion on freedom and speech and protest from the ****ASF Breaking News**** thread.

Just a reminder to avoid personal attacks and to discuss the topic in a civil and respectful way.

Please continue.
 
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Ahh, but you have said, and I paraphrase here, that you want it removed as it stops free speech.

Now this is where there seems to be a contradiction in your view that free speech should be protected.

You say things like:



But then you feel disgusted when a group uses their free speech to protest in parliament. Or to protest Trump's presidency.

It sounds to me like you want the following:

Free speech for anyone who is right-wing and agrees with you.

No free speech for anyone who is left-wing and disagrees with you.

Correct?

I also note that personal attacks are free speech so....



....Seems like another odd statement made by someone who treasures free speech!!!

Notwithstanding any of the points you have made, speaking against the us of speech, and legislating against it, are two different things.

I am happy for people to speak against racist, sexist etc language, vociferously if theyfeel so strongly.

18c however, though practically toothless due to 18d, can be invoked poisonously, as we have seen.

Also, liberty has a heirarchy. Prorest by all means, so long as that does not impinge on the the rightful liberty of others.
 
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