Food scarcity

[fergee]

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200211-why-the-vegan-diet-is-not-always-green
"Once the data from all 153 vegans, vegetarians and omnivores in the study was taken into account, however, it showed that eating meat was on average worse for the environment."

 

[moXJO]

Even in northern Thailand they talk about how people in east Thailand and Laos are crazy and eat anything. In east Thailand and Laos, like everywhere else I've been, I try to find as many new foods as possible and have never found anything I wouldn't eat, however, in east Thailand and Laos (and many other places) I've grossed out and surprised locals when they see me eating things they won't. They do waste some food.

Thais can eat though. Never seen anything like it.

 

[moXJO]

I wonder if that is because of religious beliefs.
Another Thai story : I was at at Expats house watching an Australian wildlife documentary, his wife (from Isan region) was watching very intently, when the doco was showing the unusual features of the Platypus she turned to us and said "What do they taste like"

Don't they still eat dog?
I know must Thais won't.

 

[moXJO]

Check out this short 56 second video to see the difference in land use needed to support a plant based diet vs Vegetarian with dairy and eggs vs meat eating omnivore

These figures are not right.

 

[qldfrog]

These figures are not right.

Do not destroy a feel good idea with figures.what next repeat after me
-Eating meat is bad
-Co2 is evil and cooking the planet
-I drive an EV so produce less co2 than you ugly ICE destroyers and i am green
And you can usually add
white middle age heterosexual are evil, only the babies are cute in picture
Ranch land here, in the US are of great effiiency in term of food production, better than the palm oil farms of ex Borneo or the soy beans of ex Amazonia, and no you can't grow wheat or corn there
But you can always tweak your numbers and fit the dream:
Feed premium grain to off land beef in feedlots and yes, it is abysmal.
But that is not the real world.
Eat good food,and not processed ****.
The later including fake meat...

 

[Value Collector]

These figures are not right.

Are you saying that because you have evidence to the contrary, or just because you are assuming that it’s not right?

 

[moXJO]

Are you saying that because you have evidence to the contrary, or just because you are assuming that it’s not right?

This isn't the original of why I thought it was wrong I had a previous page where a farmer with decades of experience had broken down the veg vs meat debate.

But to debunk cowspiracy this link is decent enough.

 

[Sdajii]

Don't they still eat dog?
I know must Thais won't.

There are four regions in Thailand, different languages, cultures, races. The Thai people (in the central region including Bangkok) don't eat dog, and I believe in the south they won't either. I'm not sure about the north. In the east they won't openly admit to it with people they're not close to, but most will eat it. If memory serves me it was only about 2 or 3 years ago that Thailand banned dog meat farms. It still goes in but now that it's illegal they're not so open about it.

Not sure who 'they' was referring to in your post. Vietnamese and Chinese are most well known for eating dogs. Dog is a common food in Vietnam (in the north where they're rather xenophobic and racist including to southern Vietnamese they sometimes refuse to sell it to non locals, but they have boiled dogs openly on display), in northern Laos I've seen it openly sold at markets, but in the capital of Laos it's rare and when a restaurants is open about it the western expat community gets angry and insists on demanding the locals change their culture, and when I've pointed out that they're the foreigners and shouldn't be shoving western culture down Asians' throats especially while eating pigs, they are also furious at me.

I haven't been to China where they supposedly boil dogs alive, but if that story is true it's pretty messed up and I actually would think it crosses the line requiring foreigners to say something.

 

[Sdajii]

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200211-why-the-vegan-diet-is-not-always-green
"Once the data from all 153 vegans, vegetarians and omnivores in the study was taken into account, however, it showed that eating meat was on average worse for the environment."

"On average" is the key line here. Just because most forms of meat production are environmentally worse than most plant-based food production doesn't mean that the forms of meat production which are less environmentally destructive are also more destructive. The focus, if anything, should be selecting food production which is as efficient as possible, rather than lumping everything into two categories, taking the average of each, and then dumping one entire category. That lunacy is the vegan environmental argument!

 

[fergee]

International shipping is down drastically, supply chains are failing and food is sitting at ports worldwide waiting for customs clearance. To make matters worse some places in the world are seeing the hoarding of food and other necessities.

Even though there is an abundance of food in the world our interdependence on other countries through specialisation, trade and globalisation is now proving to be very fragile system indeed.

 

[moXJO]

International shipping is down drastically, supply chains are failing and food is sitting at ports worldwide waiting for customs clearance. To make matters worse some places in the world are seeing the hoarding of food and other necessities.

Even though there is an abundance of food in the world our interdependence on other countries through specialisation, trade and globalisation is now proving to be very fragile system indeed.

The shipping (or lack of) is a real concern. Something I am concerned about.

 

[fergee]

The shipping (or lack of) is a real concern. Something I am concerned about.

NZ and Aussie both have more than enough capacity to independently cover their respected populations calorific needs.

But the lack of shipping export wise will make a big dent in their economies short to medium term GDP and potentially cause some over leveraged farmers to go under.

The up side is food may get cheaper as the international market can't be tapped so the domestic market will be flooded with cheaper produce right at a time they may be having their budgets stretched.

 

[tinhat]

What a good thread @fergee to start.

I am dusting off an old bush tucker book and making amends to the owner of the local fish and chip shop who I unwisely insulted for closing early due to lack of customers some weeks ago.

gg

I'm waiting for your post on bespoke gin distilling.

 

[sptrawler]

The up side is food may get cheaper as the international market can't be tapped so the domestic market will be flooded with cheaper produce right at a time they may be having their budgets stretched.

Anyone for crayfish?

 

[qldfrog]

Anyone for crayfish?

Last time i check i could only buy Canadian lobsters..
The Aussie one was too expensive, the permit lease alone was at 65 or 80 $ a kg, and then the fisherman has to add his costs fuel boat etc then profit before it reaches the middle man.i am not a chinese millionaire...

 

[fergee]

I'm waiting for your post on bespoke gin distilling.

Funny you should mention that @tinhat I have been teaching some local boys over here in Japan how to brew their own beer.

 

[moXJO]

I'm waiting for your post on bespoke gin distilling.

Gin!!!
Do you wanna be a permabear or something.

 

[fergee]

Just thought I would bump this thread as inflation starts to be felt and shortages of some items persist.

Any thoughts on how inflations will effect food security?

 

[3 hound]

The biggest issue for health policy planners is the projected health costs that obesity both adult and child will have on the health budget.

Major health issues related to overfed people is the future crisis not famine.

But yah, there will be some delays on certain premium food items in the future.

 

[moXJO]

The biggest issue for health policy planners is the projected health costs that obesity both adult and child will have on the health budget.

Major health issues related to overfed people is the future crisis not famine.

But yah, there will be some delays on certain premium food items in the future.

The worry is for third world countries and poorer nations. Not our fat ar$es.

Just to add to this, Coronavirus already hit a lot of poorer countries for 6. They have been struggling for a while. Inflation is killing them. Soft diplomacy now would work in our favour.