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No Ordinary Duck
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The day trading scalper style was exciting but I could see success only came with years of practice and getting to know a single stock and massive $ risk.
The small stock penny dreadfuls was inside info, pump and dump from dealers. "If anyone asked how it was done, whisper in their ear "momentum"."
There were the old guys who had been doing it for years and said, get a plan, work on it until it works be patient and never enter a trade if the markets look wobbly.
Check the news, check the international markets, check the indices and watch for major Economic Indicator releases.
love to hear themselves talk
Pullback likely Duc. Not necessarily a reversal. If I was in the stock Id be cautious with profits.
To be bullish Id like to see a clear pull away from this small consolidation pattern sometime this
week without a pullback as low as $4.65. My concern is Supply is entering as the stock moves
towards old $5 highs---Although I think the $5.50 high is more significant. Cautiously Bullish. (60/40)
I will declare my bias upfront: I am with Tech in being a 50/50 advocate.
As such, I have a few issues to raise on this chart and analysis:
(a) if your analytical method is 100% as claimed, then there are is no 'maybe'. It will do exactly as your analysis indicates. That is the meaning of 100%. Therefore on this chart there should be no equivocation: it is either going higher, or lower, or staying the same. As you have agreed with Tech, it is going lower, then it must go lower, otherwise we are out of the 100% argument and into something completely different.
(b) the rising resistance channel: to draw a support/resistance line that is valid, you need at least two points [A,B]. Further points on that line reinforce the predictive value in the mind of the trader who drew them. You state that this line has held four times. I would argue it has held twice, with a current third test. I would not count the first two, as these two initial points are required to create the line. However, this is a minor point and could simply be an individual thing.
(c) the points [1] through [11] imply that you are creating a list of bullish/bearish factors. At some point, there is enough evidence to indicate that a position should be taken. I feel safe in saying most traders/systems will do the same thing: yet, most systems/traders have a failure rate that precludes 100%. I see nothing that raises your analysis above any other analysis, which rather suggests that your method will also produce similar results to the herd.
(d) to find five or ten charts that Tech requested is easy, as any chart can be analysed. The prognosis is not hard, after all it is either going higher, staying the same or going lower. I will let Tech pick any three charts and I will provide him with a diagnosis of higher/lower/no change within about 20 mins of seeing them. Of the three I would expect [hope] to get at least one right, because I'm a 50/50 sort of chap.
Now I'm going to disagree with both you and Tech and enter a bullish vote on this stock.
This is the thing duc, I am not predicting, I am saying what I want to see on a chart. These are the one and only times I am drawing what appear to be predictive lines. They are not meant to be predictive, just what I want to see happen. I want to see it behave the way it would make me feel comfortable to enter the trade. For this to be a trade for me I would want to see it bounce up off or very close to the $4.20 level. I really want to make this as clear as possible, while the markets are in a nervous state I wouldn't enter this trade regardless if it did exactly what I wanted.
If I think the market has potential to fall then I won't enter a trade, what I am doing is demonstrating how I enter a trade and what has been successful for me. I think there is a real potential for a fail here if the market gets a decent jolt. This US shutdown has been causing a lot of nervousness as a lot of major economic information hasn't been getting out. If there are any surprises now they are back with the economic data, it could be a bit nasty. No matter how good a call you make on a chart it can get smashed if the market falls on top of it. To know when to sit on your hands can increase your success rate to quite a degree.
I find there are times I will draw lines from certain points as they 'feel' valid and other times I will draw from slightly different points. Every chart is different, the method of entry is the same, three higher highs, three higher lows, overcome and bounce back off a horizontal support. I hope I am not going to confuse you with what I am about to say....
In the early stages of a rise I just need two points for the rising support as long as it looks about 45degrees, it is enough, when there is a third touch I may re-adjust my line. When I see the rising support at what appears the correct or proven angle, I will draw a second line underneath it at an identicle angle and then I will lift that line up for a rising resistance, I only need one point of reference for the rising resistance to be put into place. Sometimes this rising resistance will need to be re-adjusted which on occasions can turn into a bearish rising megaphone or fall down into a wedge pattern. None of my lines are set in concrete. They are indicators for me, not predictors. I don't see charts as predictors merely indicators. Gosh, I hope all that makes sense, I am seeing it my mind but not sure it is translating onto the page. It is like trying to describe a reflection in moving water!
As I said before, I know when to sit on my hands, that helps. I watch to see if there are any major resistance lines coming up on the All Ords. I also check what side of the 'mountain' the All Ords is sitting on, left or right. If left and moving up, I am comfortable to trade if right, then I like to wait until I feel there is a support for a rise but watching for potential overhead resistance which could see it fall back.
Again I need to explain, I am not being predictive, I am simply trying to describe an ideal set-up. You may well be right, it might leap up and break through my rising resistance, never to be seen again. That would then mean I would re-think entering the stock. If it doesn't conform to my entry requirements then it is not going to be a trade. I am very strict with my trades, behave or fcuk off!
1. This is the thing duc, I am not predicting, I am saying what I want to see on a chart. These are the one and only times I am drawing what appear to be predictive lines. They are not meant to be predictive, just what I want to see happen. I want to see it behave the way it would make me feel comfortable to enter the trade. For this to be a trade for me I would want to see it bounce up off or very close to the $4.20 level.
2. I really want to make this as clear as possible, while the markets are in a nervous state I wouldn't enter this trade regardless if it did exactly what I wanted.
3. If I think the market has potential to fall then I won't enter a trade, what I am doing is demonstrating how I enter a trade and what has been successful for me.
I am always interested to see other peoples analysis, either FA or TA, so feel I should share as well, seeing you asked.Ann.
Great to see your interested in showing your analysis.
You trade in a discretionary manner.
I find it interesting that you also consult some other forms of analysis.
No need to trade 5 at a time.
One at a time is fine. 5 in a row one after the other will be amazing to watch.
How many of these guys did you watch live and with even 70% success (That is also unheard of
on a consistent basis).
Certainly very different scalpers to any I know. These guys know risk -- I at times scalp the DAX. While the entertainment director watches Home and Away!
Massive risk is not in any scalping method I've seen by anyone I've seen scalp.
The pump and Dump brigade are rank amateurs.
Momentum sure---Trick is when is it going to start---when is is going to continue and---when is it going to stop.
Excellent question! As we know, the US market has an influence on the Australian Market, the Australian Market has an influence on the market constituents. There are three movements possible on a chart, up, down and sideways. When the Indices are going up that is what I see as the left hand side of the hill, this is where I will enter a trade happily after I have done the business on the stock. Then there is the down and that I see as the right side of the hill, this is where we are at the moment. I will never enter a trade here. I call this a wobbly market, especially with the US shutdown added to the mix.So when is the market Not wobbly?
You must have a plan Ann and it is without doubt very very good.
Id have thought it would be a very simple step by step process with clear unambiguous steps in -- during -- and out.
But maybe not and that is what interests me.
Have you ever noticed how at the end of any day commentators make an economic case for WHY the market rose or fell.
Yet many stocks Rose and Fell on the same economic news!!
In the 20 years Ive been on ASF Ive never used the ignore button until yesterday.
Its a lot quieter
No I don't have fear when I sit on my hands, I have certain areas where I want to see support levels achieved. I counted on the All Ords, three lower lows and three lower highs. It is all in my plan, it is not an emotional thing. I think I went into more of this on my previous post which I think was a cross-over. Yes, I often see many opportunities pass me by but that is OK, there are plenty more. I never let that feeling influence me. I think it can make people panic and rush to trade, possibly to their detriment.Sitting on your hands in fear of what Could happen can also see many opportunities pass you by.
I don't hold more than ten stocks at any one time. I find it is enough to watch. It can take me several months to build up to that level.How many trades do you do a year?
I expect to see all my stocks moving above the entry price. I have messed with stocks out of my trading plan just for the experiment, it has without exeption been a failure but a good and valuable lesson each time.What sort of Positive expectancy do you have ---Reward to risk?
What is your average time in a trade?
I do an entry on a daily chart, I do weekly maintenance on a weekly chart.Do you trade on Daily/Weekly or other charts?
Not quite sure what you mean here but I will answer by saying, I stay in a stock until it looks as though it has reached a top and retested that top and then I use MACD to check the weakness of the second high. If I am messing with a stock outside my trading plan I flick it the minute it fails a support.What is your longest string of Losses/Wins.
No idea what this means, it sounds like something skate would ask!What is your trading universe?
IC charts delayed midnight. On the day I trade I use the bank software. I know what price I want to enter so I don't need bells and whistles.What software do you use?
I call it a theme and it is one of the fun things I enjoy doing, choosing a theme. I don't stay strictly to the theme but over the years my main themes have been health stocks, mining adjuncts, and stocks which offered DRP.How do you determine a watch list?
I am not in anything at the moment. I closed out of my last three stocks about 18months ago after I was injured at work and off for three months. I was heavily sedated and knew I couldn't watch them. I have been struggling with my health ever since. I don't trade if I am not well. I can't put in the energy. Recently I was feeling better and decided I wanted to start trading again, then I smashed into a wall and gave myself concussion, then the market hit the right hand side of the hill. That's fine, I am still looking for a theme, although doing this is rather a distraction, but that's all good, I might find a theme along the way.Who are in it at the moment?
I think I answered the nervous markets on the last post, hopefully. Ask again if I haven't been clear enough.Is it news or charts that determine if the market is nervous for you?
If a chart then can you show us how nervousness looks in the chart from your point of view?
Thanks
Very interesting Im getting to understand as much as Im not quite grasping!!!
Only 1
….. Ok At least I now know its not me then … lol ….
Curiously Tech, I am surprised that you would "ignore" anyone. You must feel they basically have zero input to offer? …. maybe even less??
You normally engage in a healthy debate to get to the bottom of what might appear an "unjustified" opinion ….
Not a big deal, but are you sure "Ignore" is the most productive option?
Yes I do
That way I can Skate right past time wasting self indulgent
Rhetoric.
Very very interesting
Your answers, answer a lot of questions I didn’t ask.
Looking forward to when there isn’t a nervous market!
I can never recall a time since I have been in the markets where there has been a lengthy shutdown by the Feds. This is causing serious uncertainty as there has been no market sensitive data released for nearly a month. As in the COT (Contracts of Trade) there has been no data released since December 22. The market reacts on the OI (Open Interest). It won't be released until Friday afternoon or made public until next week. It will have a major impact on all the Commodities. This will be reflected, maybe negatively, in the $CRB Index FMG is a constituent of the $CRB Index.With a 4 year average hold a nervous market must be
A rare find for you!
No I said three lower highs and three lower lows and a fail on a support. If I was doing the two x two then I would only be in the market for two or three months.Trading anything that doesn’t make 2 lower lows and 2
Lower highs over 4 years—- well I can only think of a few
US stocks that have done that.
DUE it held all supports and I had done a swing trade calculation, it would have reached around $3.60 but was taken over at $3.00. I was not happy!What are a few of the stocks you have held in the past for around 4 years?
I saw yesterday and today's FMG prices and thought of you : A messiahFMG up another 46c so not being held back by anything at this point.
Vertical rises don't last forever so we need to look for either a pause
(Pullback) or a blow off.
Currently two strong gaps away on some serious volume.
Id be trailing a stop at $5.39.
Just watching course of trades.There are some serious parcels changing hands!
There has been some excellent profit potential from FMG
since we have discussed it here!
Well Its reached my stop!
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