Flood of migrants overwhelm Australia's borders

[rederob]

BTW, it has taken Red over a week and 40 posts to find some figures and start to read some economics literature....he mentioned an economics term today for the first time - BoP....but BoP doesn't disclose the nitty gritty details Red....

You need to make fewer assumptions than you do, and you might become more credible.
I have been more than happy for you to present a cogent case. As the thread progressed, I became equally happy for you to degenerate, as you did.
Each time you get caught out you change the rules.
What I said at the outset, and have continued to say throughout, is now shown through tonight's posts to be a fair approach to the migration issue.
By the way, when you rethink post 245 you might realise the massive miscalculation you made (post 250) - quite unforgivable actually, although I will concede to you some humanity.

 

[disarray]

As can be seen from the below chart, refugee/humanitarian intakes have almost halved as a proportion of the total migrant intake over the past 10 years. These same 10 years were very prosperous for our nation.
My position is that we can afford to do better. Moreover, I consider it inappropriate for us to actually profit from migration on an ongoing basis, which is suggested by the data.

yes i think you're starting to get it. migration is beneficial to society, our migration policy is largely skill based, so skill based migration is beneficial to our society. no one is arguing against that.

your facts and figures are all "net migration". no one is arguing against "migration". however migration should be selectively sourced so it provides a benefit to society. migrants who follow intolerant ideologies or come from incompatible cultures for example do not benefit society. the facts, figures and points others have posted in this thread clearly point to the fact that migrant intakes from certain sources are undesirable for wider society. seriously, how hard is it for you to understand?

p.s. well done on finding some sources. it's been a long time coming.

 

[Bobby]

I don't like liars, cheats, or willful lawbreakers.
You have already proven yourself in this thread.
.

Lets see Hay , I work for myself , when I post its in my time , no cost to the public purse .
Can you say the same when posting ?

 

[helicart]

You need to make fewer assumptions than you do, and you might become more credible.
I have been more than happy for you to present a cogent case. As the thread progressed, I became equally happy for you to degenerate, as you did.

Each time you get caught out you change the rules.
What I said at the outset, and have continued to say throughout, is now shown through tonight's posts to be a fair approach to the migration issue.

hehehehehe ....Poppyscock......this is what you said at the outset....

If there was a queue to begin with, I suspect many would have taken their turn.
Most refugees continue to be accepted into countries which can least afford to support them.
Unfortunately we here have many empty vessels making a lot of noise about vessels full of people who, given the chance, would quietly go about making a new life in Australia.
We can afford to be more generous, but the political backlash from xenophobes will ensure our shores remain largely unwashed by the unwashed.

You have never elaborated the cost to Australia of processing and proving boat people's motives and history. It is an impossible task and one that lawyers and bureaucrats would love to expand, all good mulah for them yes?

According to you Red, anyone who thinks there's a limit to how many humanitarian refugees might be absorbed by Australia, is a xenophobe....hahahahaha.....always easier to use smug moral superiority to shut the debate down hey?

3 Billion people would qualify for asylum according to the flea brains who wrote and interpret the Status of refugees drivel.....

"Every person has the right to live free from persecution, or the fear of persecution, based on their race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. Though every government is obligated to provide this right, many fail. Every year millions of people face persecution for traits they cannot control or exercising their religious or political beliefs. When governments fail to protect these rights, people have the right to move to a country that will protect them. This is the right to asylum. People who seek to exercise this right are called "asylum seekers" or, in some cases, "refugees." In 1951, the formal basis for exercising the right to asylum was established by an interational treaty, the Geneva Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees. Countries signing that Convention have an obligation to provide asylum or refuge to people fleeing persecution."

By this, every Tibetan who rolled up in a boat in Aussie's top left corner would have to be granted citizenship, and the same for every Muslim homosexual or adulterer, every Sunni from Iran, every Shiite from Iraq, every non Muslim from Sudan, every Christian from Aceh, every Hazara and all women from Afghanistan, all women from Somalia, anyone from Zimbabwe or Lebanon, anyone from a country that has overpopulated via ignorance and lack of sexual restraint.....

As usual, the 'rights' crowd are emotional and sociopolitical naives who have never run business and created jobs, nor studied moral philosophy, nor realize adversity and struggle are motivators in the human condition........they don't understand that active rights impose active obligations on someone. They are a deluded and dangerous lot, because they dress up their underhanded money grab and theft of rights in apparent humane ideals and upholding the rights of foreigners...

By the way, when you rethink post 245 you might realise the massive miscalculation you made (post 250) - quite unforgivable actually, although I will concede to you some humanity.

Don't get too smug Red. It is after all, only a MODEL.....funny that the govt, with better access to actual data and events being modeled, can't do its own modelling hey? what do you think is behind that? rhetorical question....sorry....

 

[rederob]

hehehehehe ....Poppyscock......this is what you said at the outset....

… Most refugees continue to be accepted into countries which can least afford to support them.
….

Tabled below is a selection of countries accepting more refugees than Australia (data sourced from UNHCR statistics):

 

[helicart]

And here's a world population clock......

http://math.berkeley.edu/~galen/popclk.html


So what holding capacity does Australia have Red.....and how many of the growing world popn do you want us to take on as humanitarian refugees?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

As can be seen from the below chart, refugee/humanitarian intakes have almost halved as a proportion of the total migrant intake over the past 10 years. These same 10 years were very prosperous for our nation.
My position is that we can afford to do better. Moreover, I consider it inappropriate for us to actually profit from migration on an ongoing basis, which is suggested by the data.

Tabled below is a selection of countries accepting more refugees than Australia (data sourced from UNHCR statistics):

Sorry I've been away mixing with my mates, at MT Garnet rodeo and races, with Aussies, all composed of every race from anglocelt and indigenous to chinese, eyetie, greek, maltese and afghan and aboriginal in some measure or other. What a great country in which we live.

Red my old stirrer the graphs of the refugee intake over the last 10 years is gratifying, it occurred under John Howard who revolutionised migration to Australia. Keating and Hawke for political reasons let in some folk who have little allegiance to Australia and allegedly now contribute to much organised crime.

Now that the Ruddmeister and Labor are in, that graph will change in years to come, for the worse.

The table of the countries accepting more refugees than us is a bit disingenous. Many of the refugees they accept are tribal brothers and sisters from neighbouring states. The countries referred to are in many cases artificial ones set up by the Poms in the 19th century and after both world wars, so the table is meaningless. Its mostly a redistribution of minorities in to their tribal majority state.

gg

Keep up the good work Red. You make some sense.

gg

 

[helicart]

Keep up the good work Red. You make some sense.

gg

You see now Red?......when you get the migration rate optimized, guys like GG in towns like Townsville, don't have any trouble with them. But if the rate gets too high and migrants prefer to form ethnic enclaves in the capitals (maybe not enough work in Townsville), then that's a different kettle of whitebait.

 

[rederob]

helicart
I put a challenge to you that remains unmet.

Unfortunately we here have many empty vessels making a lot of noise...

...still resonates.

 

[helicart]

helicart
I put a challenge to you that remains unmet.


...still resonates.

Come on Red, that's the defence you use when you don't want to meet the challenge of the questions I have thrown at you time and again.....

No doubt, after a couple of weeks of rumination, you'll muster the motivation to get back to google and selectively answer the ones you find convenient half answers for.

Until then, enjoy the noise within.

 

[Julia]

Rederob, many of the countries in your table are more than a bit dysfunctional. It's a bit hard to see how they can support refugees, given they barely cope with their own population.

As gg points out, much of this will be drift from one mess into another.
(apologies for a bit of paraphrasing there, gg.)

 

[weird]

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12276a.htm

"a problem not of excessive fecundity, but of race suicide" (Seligman, "Principles of Economics", 65).

 

[rederob]

Come on Red, that's the defence you use when you don't want to meet the challenge of the questions I have thrown at you time and again.....

I have defended most of the points I raised.
I could have done a better job on "crime" if better data existed - but it doesn't.
When you show an ability to defend what you you spruik, we might then be able to move on to other questions of relevance.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I have defended most of the points I raised.
I could have done a better job on "crime" if better data existed - but it doesn't.
When you show an ability to defend what you you spruik, we might then be able to move on to other questions of relevance.

Would you care to comment Red on my criticism of your table of states which take more migrants than Australia?

gg

 

[Glen48]

Forget GFC :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

 

[rederob]

Would you care to comment Red on my criticism of your table of states which take more migrants than Australia?

gg

It's your opinion.

 

[helicart]

Further points Red has no answers for.

Put Africans out of city, say police
POLICE are advising the Immigration Department for the first time about how and where to settle troubled African refugees.
Senior Victorian police have urged the department to settle Sudanese families in country towns such as Mildura and Sale, away from suburban Melbourne where young African men are being caught up in street crime.
The Australian understands that police first appealed to immigration officials last year following a spike in criminal activity among young Sudanese men, while Chief Commissioner Christine Nixon was attempting to play down the problem..........continued


Fewer volunteers in migrant suburbs
MIGRANTS from non-English speaking countries are less likely to be volunteers than Australian-born people or migrants from English-speaking nations, a new study shows.
Ethnically diverse neighbourhoods have lower levels of volunteering - even among their Australian-born residents.
The study, by Ernest Healy, senior research fellow at the Centre for Population and Urban Research at Monash University, challenges the notion that ethnic diversity leads to a stronger, more cohesive society.
"When you create societies from mixed backgrounds it may not lead to overt violence … but to something scarier, a withdrawal from the civic sphere," Dr Healy said, "a feeling of less connectedness." continued....




Bradfield Race Riots, Cronulla Riots

When elites try and impose ideologically and politically driven migration policy on the electorate, that adversely effects the working classes, then the outcome can be nothing less. The Marxists and exploitative or guilt ridden cultureless elites can rant and rave all they like and call the whole working class xenophobes, but ultimately, when the migration rate and mix threatens the way of life for the majority, $hIte happens.





We are not an ageing population, we are a population lacking the confidence to reproduce.

That is a serious issue not understood or addressed by the media and elites. At least Malcolm Turnbull has it front and centre..


“This phenomenon has been described as an `ageing population’. That is a glib and slippery euphemism. Societies such as those in Italy, Spain, Greece, Russia and many others in Europe with birth rates of 1.3 or lower are not ageing, they are dying. A population with a birth rate of 1.3 will, absent immigration, shrink by 75 per cent over 100 years. This would mean that if Italy, for example, has the same population in a century as it does today, less than a quarter of that future population will be the descendants of today’s Italians.
Can it be true that at the peak of our technology and prosperity the western world is losing the confidence to reproduce itself? Are we witnessing the beginning of the dying of the west?”

Red and other multicultis prefer not to address this issue, and not have govt spend money on programs to turn this around. Instead, money goes to outsourcing the birth rate.

 

[Calliope]

Forget GFC :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

That's pretty scary stuff. Immigration controls have been very lax. Things will change however when Islam takes control in Europe. No more infidels will be allowed in.

 

[Calanen]

That's pretty scary stuff. Immigration controls have been very lax. Things will change however when Islam takes control in Europe. No more infidels will be allowed in.

We just have to make sure it does not take control here.

 

[Happy]

We just have to make sure it does not take control here.

Just wander what would be the best way to do it?

Out leaders seem to split them in extremists and your average peace loving ones.

Democracy allows any religion to be here, from memory we have 140+ different religions officially registered here.

If anybody has hidden agenda, all we can do is have friendly insiders who can break this conspiracy.
Otherwise it is doomest doomish doom.