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Your rants are more ill conceived than helicart's.
I don't expect you will be a meaningful contributor: Although I do appreciate you have made a better attempt than Bobby or Snake.
Flood of migrants overwhelm Australia's borders
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I don't expect you will be a meaningful contributor: Although I do appreciate you have made a better attempt than Bobby or Snake.
In your 'opinion'. That's not a fact. And it's an opinion you have because my world view does not accord with your own.
Then you cannot be disappointed if you expect nothing.
Not necessarily a pure economic argument.
I did mention I was open to migration, and accept that it was beneficial pre 75.....when there was lots of manual work around and no welfare.....and people didn't cross 5 countries to get here in a leaky boat, claiming some BS story about seeking asylum, when they had asylum in Pakistan, Iran, and Indonesia, where they would be with like mindeds. How anyone can believe these people are legitimate asylum seekers makes me LOL. They want $$$$....
Processing illegal border breachers is an economic cost.
Accepting people who cannot speak english and are uneducated becomes an economic cost.
Migrants who are challenged to integrate are an economic cost via govt services, concessions for their culture in public assets (prayer rooms in hospitals, community rooms in universities, SBS, etc), overrepresenation in crime, ethnic tensions between migrants, lack of understanding of our laws by people who just stepped out of extremely primitive cultures (Sudanese) that hold women in a different light...and are overrepresented in crimes against aussie women.
Aussies have no clue what multiculti is.
They think Lygon St and Cleveland St are multi culti.....hahahaha
Though Box Hill Shopping Centre is fast becoming multi culti.
Accepting people who are committed to your destruction becomes an enormous cost, and one that may mean the end of our civilisation. But for the multicultists, that price is acceptable. Is it for everyone else? I don't think we ever got to vote on it.
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Access Economics was commissioned to update its Migrants’ Fiscal Impact Model which provides a detailed profile of the effect of new migrants to Australia on the Commonwealth government budget, both in terms of revenues and outlays. The table below shows that most migrant categories provide an immediate economic benefit to our nation. The reference data (2006-07 migrant intake) estimates a net benefit over $0.5b in the first year, increasing steadily thereafter. The humanitarian intake is estimated to be fiscally positive after 12 years.
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Come on boy , answer some of the retorts ?
No need to hide now :hide:
Just answer Helicarts points , Gees you can't even tell us HOW many boats are enough for you ?
It is part of the Marxist grand plan, to divide and conquer the masses....kill religion and any form of identity apart from that garnered from belief in the State.
The goal of social progressive Marxists has always been to break down predominant binding Judeo Christian values, because strong religious belief (and cultural identity) is the greatest source of resistance to the supreme power sought by a socialist State.
China has been doing this in Tibet. It is breaking Tibetan cultural and religious identity, then flooding it with another culture and race....Sound familiar????
You will always find left wing social progressives behind multiculti initiatives....because they don't believe in nor respect the history of their own culture. They are essentially guilt ridden and believe all resources should be split equitably with no consideration for the effort individuals make.
Now I am not against migration carte blanche. I just want it in a controlled format that doesn't threaten the std of living, rule of law, or predominant culture. There is no successful example of multiculturalism anywhere. And if there is economic difficulties ahead, with scaricty of resources, race and cultural differences will fuel internal strife like Australia has not seen before.
Red has continued to deny the lessons unfolding in Europe and California.....for his own subversive purposes I suspect.
Not sure about ( subversive purposes ) could just be a ultra left wing Public Servant
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As can be seen from the below chart, refugee/humanitarian intakes have almost halved as a proportion of the total migrant intake over the past 10 years. These same 10 years were very prosperous for our nation.
My position is that we can afford to do better. Moreover, I consider it inappropriate for us to actually profit from migration on an ongoing basis, which is suggested by the data.
My position is that we can afford to do better. Moreover, I consider it inappropriate for us to actually profit from migration on an ongoing basis, which is suggested by the data.
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hehehehe.....wow, that's a great operating surplus.....NOT...and all hinging on the 25 of family assets brought into the country in yr1.....which presumably goes towards a house and not into job creation.
what about State and LGA budgets?
what % of locals do migrants displace from work onto welfare?
do migrants drive up the cost of housing by competing for an undersupply due to the surplus they generate not being enough to provide infrastructure?
12 years to be fiscally positive isn't exactly what you argued earlier in the thread, Red!!!!
keep digging Red. You might even get some figures that say out net foreign liabilities aren't increasing...
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If we were landlocked to Asia I might agree there was an unfolding case. We are quite dissimilar, as your posts emphasise for asylum seekers in terms of effort.
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I'm always pleased when others show I erred....so where was that posted?
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helicart, do you have anything to support your argument beyond biased empirical observations and conjecture? Rederob has managed to put a $ on the benefit of migration, what have you got?
Red, then find out if the cost of border patrol and detention camps are factored into the net operating surplus.
Whoops, here's another one
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25432680-601,00.html
Whoops, here's another one
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25432680-601,00.html
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I don't like liars, cheats, or willful lawbreakers.The boats loads illegally arriving rederob ! thats what this thread is all about
Time to get back on track now .
Get a grasp man on reality, not time for dreams .
You have already proven yourself in this thread.
And in case you don't understand, there are well established conventions relating to asylum which we are required to uphold. I would bet London to a brick that if a boat load of white-skinned boat people were seeking asylum from persecution in Fiji that you would welcome them with open arms.
I am happy to let the law play out. If they are proven to be illegal, they will be deported - Fijian, Tamil, Cuban, Myanmar, or whatever.
Red has a thermos of coffee and is madly googling away tonight.
I've already pointed out the inadequacy of the figures he has dragged up.
BTW, it has taken Red over a week and 40 posts to find some figures and start to read some economics literature....he mentioned an economics term today for the first time - BoP....but BoP doesn't disclose the nitty gritty details Red....
Mine were up over a week ago.....but don't let your bias get in the way DrJ.....seems you have a lot riding on Red's googling skills....maybe you can help him if you feel strongly enough about it.
