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Humid said:
For anyone who can be bothered

insidestory.org.au

The arc of justice • Margaret Simons

Journalism has a different role to play from the legal system. It begins with reporting the facts as the journalist understands them
insidestory.org.au insidestory.org.au
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That was an outstanding analysis of the role of journalism. Excellent use of recent historical examples of journalists revealing critical new information about political figures.
 
On the topic of investigative journalism check out the work of IF Stone.

He was a one man band who wrote a weekly newsletter in the US from 1953 to 1971 and through meticulous research exposed many of the lies of US administrations . He is regarded as the best investigative reporter of the 20th Century.

Moore — who before he started making movies ran “Moore’s Weekly,” an homage to Stone’s one-man magazine, “I.F. Stone’s Weekly” — says this:

I can draw a line from I.F. Stone directly to what I’m doing now … He played such an important role in inspiring me to think a different way. What his “Weekly” taught me was that it didn’t need to be fancy, it didn’t need to have a lot of production value. It just needed to tell the truth, and tell me things that I’m not going to learn anyplace else … His great motto [was] “All governments are run by liars and nothing they say should be believed,” [but] he said to me, “I would expand that now to governments, corporations, it’s not just the government, it’s anybody in power.”
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Greenwald, co-founding editor of The Intercept, describes his reaction when he first read Stone’s writing:
Somebody had recommended highly that I begin reading what I.F. Stone’s journalism was about, and sent me a couple of links. And I read the first two and I was so blown away by them, I just instantly became almost an addict of the newsletters … and just began reading one after the next and didn’t stop until a month later when I had read not dozens but probably hundreds.
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Scahill, also co-founding editor of The Intercept, blurbs Stone like this:

There are few people I can think of in American history that better represented the best journalism in a democratic society than I.F. Stone.
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And here’s Stone’s own description of what he did:
I made no claim to inside stuff … I tried to give information which could be documented so the reader could check it for himself. I tried to dig the truth out of hearings, official transcripts and government documents, and to be as accurate as possible. I also sought to give the Weekly a personal flavor, to add humor, wit and good writing to the Weekly report. I felt that if one were able enough and had sufficient vision one could distill meaning, truth and even beauty from the swiftly flowing debris of the week’s news … the bit of dialogue, the overlooked fact, the buried observation which illuminated the realities of the situation. I tried in every issue to provide fact and opinion not available elsewhere in the press.
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theintercept.com

Video: I.F. Stone's One Weird Trick to Do Great Journalism

I.F. Stone was one of the greatest investigative journalists of the 20th century, and a hero to many in the 21st.
theintercept.com theintercept.com
 
IF Stone. Background.
He had a very modest readership. But they were influential people and the stories he broke made the Feds. sit up and take notice.

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SirRumpole said:
Yes, but we can change the government if we are interested enough.
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We can change the party, but not the system.
USA and Australia with 25% or less trusting their government is not particularly inspiring, is it?
Americans would not even impeach a President who incited insurrection.
But I digress - wrong thread.

Our system of government allows for discretions in the public interest. In the case you cited why isn't the public interest test being followed by the CDPP?
Given Hon Michaelia Cash is our Attorney-General I can understand why Boyle is being pursued. Nothing to do with the concept of justice, and barely consistent with the law!
 
rederob said:
Our system of government allows for discretions in the public interest. In the case you cited why isn't the public interest test being followed by the CDPP?
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My thoughts exactly. :xyxthumbs

It's a simple case of precedent. We (they) don't want others embarrassing the government so they must be taught a lesson.
 
sptrawler said:
As we say, the truth has a way of coming out. :xyxthumbs
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Perhaps.. Hopefully.. And anyway in the political world of 2021 "truth" and "fact" are in short supply. The previous President of the United States still insists he is the rightful President and non one seems capable of stopping this travesty.

Anyway it seems that the Right Honourable Christian Porter (?) may have settled a number of previous sexual abuse allegations with non disclosure agreements. And now these may come to light ?

Clearly, given the zeal of the Right Honourable Christian Porter to protect his good name, we have to wait for the appropriate legal outcome before speculating on just what have have transpired in Christian Porters history and how these impact on any statemenst he has made to date. ( Or if in fact the Government cares..)

Lets just hope this coincides with justice.:cautious:
 
Interesting story @SirRumpole, from memory I thought the media said that Ben Roberts Smith backyard was dug up by the AFP and a child's lunchbox was found with incriminating USB drives evidence in it.
We questioned why the police would dig up a backyard in a defamation case and that it sounded like a set up.
Now it sounds like a completely different story.
www.news.com.au

Lawyers accuse Ben Roberts-Smith of wiping laptop in legal fight

Ben Roberts-Smith has been accused of wiping a laptop that potentially held critical evidence as his courtroom showdown with Nine newspapers nears.
www.news.com.au www.news.com.au
From the article:
When Nine’s lawyers issued a notice to produce the external drives, they were told that the information had been transferred to a computer.

The court has previously been told that Mr Roberts-Smith buried a USB drive inside a pink children’s laptop in his backyard.

It was alleged in a report that the USB contained classified documents and videos that could relate to alleged war crimes.

The court was told that Mr Roberts-Smith removed the USB from his backyard in June last year.

And some people wonder why I'm always having a go at the media, for bending the information, there is a hell of a lot of difference in the implication between the two scenarios. In the original article, the media said the AFP already had the contents of the USB drives and were conducting an investigation, which by the wording would have a huge bearing on the public's perception of guilt IMO.


Here is the wording from the original article:
www.theage.com.au

Buried evidence and threats: How Ben Roberts-Smith tried to cover up his alleged crimes

Australia’s most decorated soldier tried to hide shameful images and apparent evidence of war crimes. Now they have been unearthed.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au


Instead, the sources say, Roberts-Smith dug a hole in the backyard of his house in the Sunshine Coast hinterland and buried the USB drives inside a pink plastic children’s lunchbox to hide them from both police and military investigations.

Once the Victoria Cross recipient had filled in the hole, he placed a rock on top to mark the spot.

According to multiple sources familiar with the matter, federal police who are conducting war crimes investigations into the war hero, have since obtained the contents of the USBs.

As I said, this is going to get very interesting and expensive.
 
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