Finding the truth vs. "The Rule of Law"

[sptrawler]

Hopefully the William Tyrrell case is sorted out before it becomes another media circus, it must be terrible for all concerned.

William Tyrrell’s former foster-parents charged with assault

The pair were charged with common assault and will appear in Hornsby Local Court next week. The charges are unrelated to William.

www.smh.com.au

William Tyrrell: Police need physical evidence for arrests over disappearance

Multiple police and legal sources have confirmed that the evidence gathered so far is insufficient to refer the matter to the Director of Public Prosecutions, as investigators continue their search for William Tyrrell’s remains.

www.smh.com.au

 

[macca]

Hopefully the William Tyrrell case is sorted out before it becomes another media circus, it must be terrible for all concerned.

William Tyrrell’s former foster-parents charged with assault

The pair were charged with common assault and will appear in Hornsby Local Court next week. The charges are unrelated to William.

www.smh.com.au

William Tyrrell: Police need physical evidence for arrests over disappearance

Multiple police and legal sources have confirmed that the evidence gathered so far is insufficient to refer the matter to the Director of Public Prosecutions, as investigators continue their search for William Tyrrell’s remains.

www.smh.com.au

This has been a circus since day one, I find it weird how some kids are "headline material" for years while far more go missing and barely get a mention.

When he was reported missing they had search parties out and they tramped all over any scent trails Before they brought in the dog squad (according to the media)

I find it rather odd that now, years later, they have dogs checking the backyard of the house, perhaps on the day would have been better.

Another odd thing was that they did not interview all of the neighbours, at the inquest years later, some neighbours came forward and said that they saw a car with a kid in a spiderman suit in the back seat leaving the area.

They rang the hotline at the time and were told they would be contacted if needed, it never happened, so they went to the inquest when it was held.

All very odd to me but what would I know

 

[SirRumpole]

This has been a circus since day one, I find it weird how some kids are "headline material" for years while far more go missing and barely get a mention.

When he was reported missing they had search parties out and they tramped all over any scent trails Before they brought in the dog squad (according to the media)

I find it rather odd that now, years later, they have dogs checking the backyard of the house, perhaps on the day would have been better.

Another odd thing was that they did not interview all of the neighbours, at the inquest years later, some neighbours came forward and said that they saw a car with a kid in a spiderman suit in the back seat leaving the area.

They rang the hotline at the time and were told they would be contacted if needed, it never happened, so they went to the inquest when it was held.

All very odd to me but what would I know

Another bungled investigation, it seems, unfortunately not a rare occurence.

If it turns out to be not the washing machine man, I hope he sues the police for a motzah.

 

[macca]

The media is now "nominating" the foster mother as a person of interest, not very subtle.

The Police officer who lead the enquiry (since resigned) is calling it a mess, claiming he and his team looked very closely at both the mother and the possible causes of accidents etc.

The media showed a car being taken for forensic examination this week, he stated that all vehicles of the family were checked back when it happened and the family was fully cooperative.

One of those cases that for some reason, keeps being dug up on a regular basis

 

[sptrawler]

Peter Dutton gets payout for defamation by refugee advocate, these days people think it is open day to say anything on social media, slowly the message will be sinking in. It is just some are slower to wake up than others.

Peter Dutton wins defamation case over refugee advocate's 'rape apologist' tweet

Defence Minister Peter Dutton is awarded $35,000 in a defamation action against refugee advocate Shane Bazzi over a tweet which accused him of being "a rape apologist".

www.abc.net.au

From the article:
Defence Minister Peter Dutton has been awarded $35,000 in a defamation action against refugee advocate Shane Bazzi over a tweet that accused him of being "a rape apologist".

The now-deleted tweet was accompanied by a link to a story published in The Guardian in 2019, containing comments Mr Dutton made about women on Nauru when he was Home Affairs Minister.

Mr Bazzi had denied defaming Mr Dutton, saying he was only exercising fair comment and honest opinion.

But today, the Federal Court found the tweet did defame Mr Dutton, and awarded damages.

Justice Richard White ruled the tweet was defamatory, and implied Mr Dutton was a person who excused rape.

"I consider that the ordinary reasonable reader would have understood Mr Bazzi to be asserting that Mr Dutton was a person who excuses rape, and that the attached link provided support for that characterisation of him," he said.

"Mr Bazzi has not established the statutory defence of honest opinion, or the common law defence of fair comment on a matter of public interest."

 

[sptrawler]

As I've said on numerous occasions, people need to be careful what they say on a forum, the days are numbered where defamatory comments can be made anonymously without consequences.

New Australian laws to unmask anonymous online trolls and make tech giants pay

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said on Sunday that under the new laws people who believe they have been defamed online will also be able to get court orders forcing social media giants to reveal who is responsible for the posts.

www.smh.com.au

 

[The Triangle]

As I've said on numerous occasions, people need to be careful what they say on a forum, the days are numbered where defamatory comments can be made anonymously without consequences.

New Australian laws to unmask anonymous online trolls and make tech giants pay

Prime Minister Scott Morrison said on Sunday that under the new laws people who believe they have been defamed online will also be able to get court orders forcing social media giants to reveal who is responsible for the posts.

www.smh.com.au

Won't be long until you need 100 points of ID to simply get online or have an email account.. Our government should be doing better things with their time. They are off the mark and seem to (as does MSM) continually get defamation and bullying mixed up. Two very different things. Workplace bullying and harassment particularity from the highest levels is a much bigger problem that should be dealt with before this online nonsense.

He said women and children were the people most affected by anonymous bullying and defamatory abuse online and there needed to be a “quick and fast way” for people to raise these issues with the platforms and get it taken down.

I would like for our government to prove that women and children are the people most affected... How do you defame a child? Claim they like broccoli and baths but hate pizza and Lego? They may as well just make a law that you cannot insult politicians or celebrities - this is what it's all about and it looks like all the government is doing it making a law to let themselves get money out of twitter, facebook, and google.

“It’s certainly not going to help 99% of victims of trolling in Australia,” Barnet said, adding that many would be unlikely to choose or be able to spend the time or money required to take a defamation case to court. (from a different article)

 

[moXJO]

Government just wants to erode more rights. Worst government ever.

 

[sptrawler]

Porter, lawyer ordered to pay more than $430,000 in legal costs

The former attorney-general and his defamation barrister are ordered to cover the court costs of a friend of the woman who accused him of rape more than 30 years ago.

www.abc.net.au

From the article:
Former attorney-general Christian Porter and his defamation lawyer have been ordered to pay more than $430,000 to cover the legal costs of Jo Dyer, a friend of the woman who accused Mr Porter of raping her more than 30 years ago.

Ms Dyer is contesting the next federal election as an independent candidate for the Adelaide electorate of Boothby — the most marginal electorate in South Australia, currently held by the Liberals.

 

[SirRumpole]

Ben Roberts-Smith loses court case against his ex wife, defamation case against media continues.

Ben Roberts-Smith loses court case against ex-wife by relying on 'possibilities and suspicions'

A judge rules Victoria Cross recipient Ben Roberts-Smith has no arguable case against his ex-wife as he relied on "ill-founded" assertions that she accessed his emails.

www.abc.net.au

 

[The Triangle]

Peter Dutton gets payout for defamation by refugee advocate, these days people think it is open day to say anything on social media, slowly the message will be sinking in. It is just some are slower to wake up than others.

Peter Dutton wins defamation case over refugee advocate's 'rape apologist' tweet

Defence Minister Peter Dutton is awarded $35,000 in a defamation action against refugee advocate Shane Bazzi over a tweet which accused him of being "a rape apologist".

www.abc.net.au

From the article:
Defence Minister Peter Dutton has been awarded $35,000 in a defamation action against refugee advocate Shane Bazzi over a tweet that accused him of being "a rape apologist".

The now-deleted tweet was accompanied by a link to a story published in The Guardian in 2019, containing comments Mr Dutton made about women on Nauru when he was Home Affairs Minister.

Mr Bazzi had denied defaming Mr Dutton, saying he was only exercising fair comment and honest opinion.

But today, the Federal Court found the tweet did defame Mr Dutton, and awarded damages.

Justice Richard White ruled the tweet was defamatory, and implied Mr Dutton was a person who excused rape.

"I consider that the ordinary reasonable reader would have understood Mr Bazzi to be asserting that Mr Dutton was a person who excuses rape, and that the attached link provided support for that characterisation of him," he said.

Refugee advocate wins appeal against ruling he defamed Peter Dutton in tweet

A refugee advocate has won an appeal against a defamation ruling which ordered him to pay Defence Minister Peter Dutton $35,000 over a now-deleted tweet.

www.abc.net.au

Not so fast Mr Dutton.... Glad to see we still have a few sensible judges. Will this little blunder hurt leadership chances? I think yes. Liberals not doing too well over the past year suing people are they??? Porter, Dutton, and Barilaro come to mind. Maybe if (I'm sure they'll weasel out of it) the labor party put in a federal icac they can also look into issues like this which resemble slapp lawsuits.

 

[sptrawler]

Refugee advocate wins appeal against ruling he defamed Peter Dutton in tweet

A refugee advocate has won an appeal against a defamation ruling which ordered him to pay Defence Minister Peter Dutton $35,000 over a now-deleted tweet.

www.abc.net.au

Not so fast Mr Dutton.... Glad to see we still have a few sensible judges. Will this little blunder hurt leadership chances? I think yes. Liberals not doing too well over the past year suing people are they??? Porter, Dutton, and Barilaro come to mind. Maybe if (I'm sure they'll weasel out of it) the labor party put in a federal icac they can also look into issues like this which resemble slapp lawsuits.

I just think it is great, we have systems in place where these issues are tested, people have every right to criticise and if others feel that they have been defamed they should challenge it.
Then the issue is sorted and precedents are set, it makes journalsts more careful what they say and it makes politicians more careful how they behave.
Win/win for the general public IMO. The boundaries of fair and resonable comment and criticism continually get tested, especially since self censorship has become the norm in the media, I think it is right that people should go to court if they feel they have been defamed, it is the only avenue to hold the journo to account, as far as I can work out.

 

[sptrawler]

@The Triangle sounds like we are off on another romp with the media, the way we are going, there will be money to be made if someone can make a P.C speech adjuster.

Holmes a Court mulling defamation suit against media outlets and Sharma over Nazi reference

Holmes a Court accused the Wentworth MP of fake claims of anti-Semitism to win the votes of Jewish members of his at-risk seat.

www.theage.com.au

Climate change activist Simon Holmes a Court has launched a defamation action against The Daily Telegraph and the Daily Mail and is considering suing Liberal MP Dave Sharma, who accused the wealthy backer of independent candidates of using a “sickening” Holocaust slur.

The convenor of the Climate 200 fundraising vehicle accused the Wentworth MP of fake claims of anti-Semitism to win the votes of members of the large Jewish population in his at-risk seat.
The dispute centres on a tweet published by Holmes a Court on Tuesday morning.
Anticipating John Howard’s arrival in Melbourne to campaign in the seat of Kooyong, Holmes a Court outlined the former prime minister’s record on climate change and referred to him as the “angel of death”.

This was the nickname of Nazi officer and physician Josef Mengele, who performed deadly experiments on Jewish prisoners at Auschwitz.
“This is an offensive slur and Mr Holmes a Court must immediately apologise,” Sharma said in The Daily Telegraph, whose political editor James Morrow also published a story about it.

 

[The Triangle]

@The Triangle sounds like we are off on another romp with the media, the way we are going, there will be money to be made if someone can make a P.C speech adjuster.

Holmes a Court mulling defamation suit against media outlets and Sharma over Nazi reference

Holmes a Court accused the Wentworth MP of fake claims of anti-Semitism to win the votes of Jewish members of his at-risk seat.

www.theage.com.au

Climate change activist Simon Holmes a Court has launched a defamation action against The Daily Telegraph and the Daily Mail and is considering suing Liberal MP Dave Sharma, who accused the wealthy backer of independent candidates of using a “sickening” Holocaust slur.

The convenor of the Climate 200 fundraising vehicle accused the Wentworth MP of fake claims of anti-Semitism to win the votes of members of the large Jewish population in his at-risk seat.
The dispute centres on a tweet published by Holmes a Court on Tuesday morning.
Anticipating John Howard’s arrival in Melbourne to campaign in the seat of Kooyong, Holmes a Court outlined the former prime minister’s record on climate change and referred to him as the “angel of death”.

This was the nickname of Nazi officer and physician Josef Mengele, who performed deadly experiments on Jewish prisoners at Auschwitz.
“This is an offensive slur and Mr Holmes a Court must immediately apologise,” Sharma said in The Daily Telegraph, whose political editor James Morrow also published a story about it.

Should be interesting to watch unfold but another waste of court time. The government has to change these stupid defamation laws which are globally mocked as some of the worst laws in the world. But I suspect The Daily Mail will be on the losing side here and Sharma will get a letter in the mail from the lawyers for the holocaust remark as well (unless there actually is a history of holocaust references)

If you took a representative sample of 12 Aussies and asked them what they thought of when you said Angel of Death I think maybe 1 at most would say Nazis. A few would say the bible, a few would shrug their shoulders, and a few would say the devil. "Angel of Death" has been assigned to probably 50 different people throughout the last few hundred years. Calling John Howard the angel of death is a stupid and childish comment, it's not a funny or intelligent or a creative insult.

Side note - John Howard needs to f-off from public life and stay f'd-off. I'm sick of liberals parading around this old has-been like he's everyone's beloved grandfather.

Godwin's law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[sptrawler]

Should be interesting to watch unfold but another waste of court time. The government has to change these stupid defamation laws which are globally mocked as some of the worst laws in the world. But I suspect The Daily Mail will be on the losing side here and Sharma will get a letter in the mail from the lawyers for the holocaust remark as well (unless there actually is a history of holocaust references)

If you took a representative sample of 12 Aussies and asked them what they thought of when you said Angel of Death I think maybe 1 at most would say Nazis. A few would say the bible, a few would shrug their shoulders, and a few would say the devil. "Angel of Death" has been assigned to probably 50 different people throughout the last few hundred years. Calling John Howard the angel of death is a stupid and childish comment, it's not a funny or intelligent or a creative insult.

Side note - John Howard needs to f-off from public life and stay f'd-off. I'm sick of liberals parading around this old has-been like he's everyone's beloved grandfather.

Godwin's law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I think they just need to bring back a censorship board, that keeps the media under control, it would stop all the tribal crap and save everyone a huge amount of time and money.
It's a bit like Singapore, where corporal punishment is still dished out, vandals only graffiti the trains or buses once, or rob and bash someone once. LOL
Their rehabilitation system has a high success rate, re offenders are very low.

 

[IFocus]

I think they just need to bring back a censorship board, that keeps the media under control, it would stop all the tribal crap and save everyone a huge amount of time and money.
It's a bit like Singapore, where corporal punishment is still dished out, vandals only graffiti the trains or buses once, or rob and bash someone once. LOL
Their rehabilitation system has a high success rate, re offenders are very low.

Sounds like woke cancel culture to me next step communism ????

 

[sptrawler]

Sounds like woke cancel culture to me next step communism ????

Spot on the rattan cane woke them up and it also cancels the urge to re offend. ? ? ? ?

I think communism takes it all up to the next level.

 

[sptrawler]

Sounds like another Porter style defamation case, where once the evidence is known and going to be aired, all of a sudden the claimant decides to head for cover.
Like I say, it is great these issues go to court, it stops a lot of unnecessary denials and or irresponsible articles and should end up forming guidelines as to what is and is not acceptable in both behaviour and journalistic license. Win/win for the public IMO.

Craig McLachlan to pay costs after dropping defamation case against Herald, ABC

On Friday, shortly before 11 women were due to begin giving evidence that McLachlan had harassed them, the actor abruptly dropped the case.

www.smh.com.au

Actor Craig McLachlan has been ordered to pay costs estimated to be about $2 million after he abruptly abandoned his defamation case against two media organisations and his former co-star two weeks into the trial.
McLachlan, 56, sued The Sydney Morning Herald, the ABC and actress Christie Whelan Browne in the NSW Supreme Court in 2018 over an investigation which alleged he indecently assaulted and sexually harassed female performers during the 2014 stage production of The Rocky Horror Show.

 

[Belli]

Judge "tells" plaintiff to go jump.

"TORT - defamation - one-star review posted on plaintiff’s Google and Facebook business pages for a period of 14 days - whether plaintiff has established “serious harm” conformably with s 10A of the Defamation Act 2005 (NSW)"

"The plaintiff has failed to provide any such evidence, or causation, and has thus failed to establish that the publication of the matters complained of has caused serious harm to his reputation. The proceedings will accordingly be dismissed."

Scott v Bodley (No 2) - NSW Caselaw

www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au

 

[JohnDe]

Worth a listen (I wonder where the ABC is)-

Many prominent men have suffered trial by media over false sexual misconduct allegations, with devastating impact on their careers, their reputations and their families. Here’s one such story - from Vanessa Scammell partner of Craig McLachlan.​