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I heard a very powerful poem on violence against women on talk back radio yesterday morning. It was exceptionally moving live and worth hearing.

Talkback caller's heartfelt poem about violence against women resonates with listeners

When I say I'm afraid of men who mean me harm,
You tell me not to make a fuss, there's no need for alarm.
That not all men are like that, not to stress my pretty head,
Or talk about those other men just look at you instead.
But what of women suffering, a slap, a punch, a shove,
A life of menacing oppression from a man they love.

Not all men are sexist, not all men disrespect,
Not all men are the man who harms what he should protect.
Not all men are vicious, not all men are brutes,
Not all men are the man who punches, rapes and shoots.
Not all men use violence, most are courteous and kind,
But when I talk of toxic men, others feel maligned.

So I ask you to consider, when you jump in to defend,
How did speaking up for women become slandering of men?
Why is it when I voice my fears you first defend your brothers,
Instead of listening to your sisters, mothers or your lovers.
I need you to hear my voice and listen to my fears,
But you just keep on shouting louder and my voice just disappears.

Not all men will listen, not all men understand,
You tell me you are not all men, a verbal sleight of hand.
I can look at you and love you and yet still be afraid,
While so much deadly violence still seems to be man-made.
Do not usurp my story, don't tell me what to do,
This is not about all men, don't make it about you.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-...omestic-violence-resonates-with-women/9980640

 
basilio said:
I heard a very powerful poem on violence against women on talk back radio yesterday morning. It was exceptionally moving live and worth hearing.

Talkback caller's heartfelt poem about violence against women resonates with listeners

When I say I'm afraid of men who mean me harm,
You tell me not to make a fuss, there's no need for alarm.
That not all men are like that, not to stress my pretty head,
Or talk about those other men just look at you instead.
But what of women suffering, a slap, a punch, a shove,
A life of menacing oppression from a man they love.

Not all men are sexist, not all men disrespect,
Not all men are the man who harms what he should protect.
Not all men are vicious, not all men are brutes,
Not all men are the man who punches, rapes and shoots.
Not all men use violence, most are courteous and kind,
But when I talk of toxic men, others feel maligned.

So I ask you to consider, when you jump in to defend,
How did speaking up for women become slandering of men?
Why is it when I voice my fears you first defend your brothers,
Instead of listening to your sisters, mothers or your lovers.
I need you to hear my voice and listen to my fears,
But you just keep on shouting louder and my voice just disappears.

Not all men will listen, not all men understand,
You tell me you are not all men, a verbal sleight of hand.
I can look at you and love you and yet still be afraid,
While so much deadly violence still seems to be man-made.
Do not usurp my story, don't tell me what to do,
This is not about all men, don't make it about you.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-...omestic-violence-resonates-with-women/9980640
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I don't agree with the premise of that poem. Men look on abusive men as aresholes and their victims with empathy and sympathy; they don't make it about men ubiquitously like feminists do.
 
Tisme said:
I don't agree with the premise of that poem. Men look on abusive men as aresholes and their victims with empathy and sympathy; they don't make it about men ubiquitously like feminists do.
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Apologies that I can only make occasional drive-by posts these days and probably won't see any response to this one. But I hope I can offer a useful point of view anyway.

First, that poem isn't the premise of an argument. It comes from the writer's experience as a domestic violence worker who is "fascinated by how "good, decent men often jump in to defend men, rather than listen to what women are saying". Read back through this thread and the posts about Sarah Hanson-Young on the Greens thread; the same thing has happened there.

Second, both women and men know that some of the men we encounter during normal business and social activities, and maybe even some of the men we count as friends, use violence towards women. I imagine that for men that's uncomfortable knowledge, but for women it's a constant, though mostly quiet, threat. We know that most men "look on abusive men as arseholes". But abusive men don't wear ******** T-shirts so that women can identify them at sight. Self-protection means that a woman has to be constantly aware that any man she encounters might be one of the ******** minority. And if the circumstances are sufficiently wrong, a minority of one could be the last thing she ever knows.
 
ghotib said:
Apologies that I can only make occasional drive-by posts these days and probably won't see any response to this one. But I hope I can offer a useful point of view anyway.

First, that poem isn't the premise of an argument. It comes from the writer's experience as a domestic violence worker who is "fascinated by how "good, decent men often jump in to defend men, rather than listen to what women are saying". Read back through this thread and the posts about Sarah Hanson-Young on the Greens thread; the same thing has happened there.

Second, both women and men know that some of the men we encounter during normal business and social activities, and maybe even some of the men we count as friends, use violence towards women. I imagine that for men that's uncomfortable knowledge, but for women it's a constant, though mostly quiet, threat. We know that most men "look on abusive men as arseholes". But abusive men don't wear ******** T-shirts so that women can identify them at sight. Self-protection means that a woman has to be constantly aware that any man she encounters might be one of the ******** minority. And if the circumstances are sufficiently wrong, a minority of one could be the last thing she ever knows.
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That's not something I have observed in my world, but then again I'm not constantly exposed to the dregs of society (sans those "good, decent men") like a violence worker would be; which is probably why that ode is invalid in terms of the wider community.

I've never seen "good, decent men" be anything but that and certainly not defending others for abusive behaviour, let alone aligning themselves along gender lines.

Sarah Hanson is an eggshell politician who is carries a nasty stick. Just look on youtube to see her performances e.g. the Sam Dastyari chaired inquiry into naval vessels entering Indonesian waters ... a female bully in full flight.
 
Why is an article on violence against Women posted in the Feminism thread when there is a violence against Women thread?
It seems to be that aggressive domineering Women are always using this sort of thing to beat Men into submission to gain further dominance.
I grew up in an environment where if a Male raised his hand to a Woman he'd be the one in danger. Feminists are their own worst enemies, destroying a lot of the chivalry that is naturally embedded in the Male psyche.
Feminists create this "us versus them" mentality. Shame on you Lisa Wilkinson, Clementine Ford etc for the harm you cause with your self serving industry.
 
Thanks Ghotlib for your insights. It is interesting that the poem itself and the perspective it offered had an exceptionally powerful impact on many,many people.

Yet on ASF it seems to be viewed as another feminist attack on all good men who-would-never-ever-abuse-a-woman-and-it-is-clearly-unspeakable-to-even-suggest-such-a-possibility.

How did speaking up for women become slandering of men?
Why is it when I voice my fears you first defend your brothers,
Instead of listening to your sisters, mothers or your lovers.
I need you to hear my voice and listen to my fears,
But you just keep on shouting louder and my voice just disappears.
 
basilio said:
Thanks Ghotlib for your insights. It is interesting that the poem itself and the perspective it offered had an exceptionally powerful impact on many,many people.

Yet on ASF it seems to be viewed as another feminist attack on all good men who-would-never-ever-abuse-a-woman-and-it-is-clearly-unspeakable-to-even-suggest-such-a-possibility.

How did speaking up for women become slandering of men?
Why is it when I voice my fears you first defend your brothers,
Instead of listening to your sisters, mothers or your lovers.
I need you to hear my voice and listen to my fears,
But you just keep on shouting louder and my voice just disappears.
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You shouldn't hit women. Everyone knows it. But its going going to happen. Same as general assault, murder etc.
But the vast majority are against it.

I don't know any man that has hit their wife. But north of 80% of women I know have hit, or assaulted their husband. A portion have made false claims to police and others have used their children as weapons.
I know plenty of deadbeat fathers.

Not saying they ain't out there. But imo there was an attitude shift that started in the 90s.
But sexual assault is a different matter. I think that was largely out of control up till recently.
 
moXJO said:
You shouldn't hit women. Everyone knows it. But its going going to happen. Same as general assault, murder etc.
But the vast majority are against it.

I don't know any man that has hit their wife. But north of 80% of women I know have hit, or assaulted their husband. A portion have made false claims to police and others have used their children as weapons.
I know plenty of deadbeat fathers.

Not saying they ain't out there. But imo there was an attitude shift that started in the 90s.
But sexual assault is a different matter. I think that was largely out of control up till recently.
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That's a grotesque binary transmogrification of the points made here, but typical of your style, Sarah.

I am offended, I demand an apology.
 
Came across this:

IPV is domestic violence.
It shows that the rates between men and women are comparable.
Also that studies are skewed as we only provide services for women.
That women instigate violence at a higher rate.

Video starts off slow but worth viewing.
This is not to dismiss violence against women. Its to acknowledge that violence against anyone is wrong.

Question everything the collective left pushes. Don't just swallow the half truths, or latest emotional outrages that get pushed in the media.
 


Male that experienced dv. Good story and follows the pattern of what happens to many men. Also the threat of jail even when you are the victim.
 
When did we become America?

Woman loses bid to have real estate agent’s handshake considered a violent crime.

 
moXJO said:
When did we become America?

Woman loses bid to have real estate agent’s handshake considered a violent crime.
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I think it time to revisit he traditional roles of men and women : men go down the local, women do whatever they do :D
 
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