Federal Labor Party discussion

[Calliope]

Yes she did.

That one may smile, and smile, and be a villain
Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 5

Cheers
Country Lad

It also applies to Penny Wong;



What? Me lie!!! No this is one smiling face you can trust.:alien2:

 

[bunyip]

Penny Wong - Liar Liar Pants on Fire.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...tiabbott-website-stack-up-20130822-2scwt.html



Penny, your just pathetic.

This election campaign has truly revealed what most of us already knew – that the Labor Party are little more than serial liars and hypocrites. These vermin will stoop to the lowest levels to try and hold on to government.
Take Rudd’s latest tactics of constantly chanting ‘CUT CUT CUT’, in reference to what he would like us to believe Abbot will do in government.
Yet Rudd and Gillard in government have been classic examples of CUT CUT CUT. Here’s a few examples that spring immediately to mind....

Defense spending....CUT under Labor.
University funding...CUT under Labor.
State health budgets...CUT under Labor.
Toowoomba Range crossing....CUT under Labor. (Just a little more info on this one for those of you who don’t live in the Brisbane and western corridor area....The Warrego Highway west of Brisbane is the main east/west highway in Queensland, running from Brisbane on the coast right out to the far west of QLD. This highway services the rapidly expanding Surat Basin area a few hours west of Brisbane – hub of the burgeoning coal mining and coal seam gas industries that produce enormous export revenue for our country.)
The Warrego Highway in in a disgraceful state, with many dangerous sections that have seen many fatalities due to the appalling road conditions. One of the most dangerous sections of all is the Toowoomba range crossing – steep, narrow, winding, and carrying tens of thousands of trucks every day.)
The Howard government earmarked 700 million dollars to build a new Toowoomba range crossing, should they be re-elected. Guess what happened when Rudd got in......CUT – the damn fool immediately scrapped the funding for this vitally important project, and blew the money instead on pink batts, overpriced school halls, and illegal boat people.)

I could list other examples of the CUT CUT CUT record of this Labor government, but I think we all get the idea. Rudd and his henchmen are hypocritical in the extreme by passing judgment in advance on what cuts Abbot would supposedly make in government.

As for lies, Rudd, Gillard and their cronies are without equal in the history of Australian politics. It makes my blood boil to see these unprincipled people publicly telling blatant lies about Tony Abbot, such as saying he cut a billion dollars from health funding.
I just hope Australian voters aren’t dumb enough to believe Labor’s lies. The last six years have shown us how untrustworthy Labor is – they can’t be trusted with our finances, they can’t be trusted with our borders, and they can’t be trusted in what they say about their political opponents. They can’t be trusted with anything. The ALP just cannot be trusted.
They’re a bunch of low class, incompetent, lying, cheating, hypocritical vermin of weak character and poor moral fiber. For the good of Australia, we must toss this Labor rabble out of office on September 7.

 

[Aussiejeff]

Labor Opposition Leader

Shorten?
Wong?
Albanese?

Who will survive the cull and post-poll bloodlust to become Labor Opposition leader? Anyone?

Anyone...worthwhile that is? :1zhelp:

 

[Julia]

Between Albanese and Shorten, the latter having an edge. Just guessing, of course.
Absolutely not Wong.

 

[sptrawler]

Let's wait and see what happens in the Labor Party after the election.
The Union heavies will be in there sorting out Rudd and the moderates.
Hell there is no way, the union bosses will let Rudd get between them and a fairytale pension.lol

 

[chiff]

In victory revenge-in defeat malice.

 

[sptrawler]

Bowen has stepped away from picking up the poison chalice.
My guess Wayne Swan, absolute dick, perfect for the position.

 

[wayneL]

Mark Latham had some interesting comment on Pravda yesterday http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-...k-dreyfus-would-be-ideal-labor-leader/4945964

He reckons the only guy capable of sorting out the party won't be considered for the leadership - Mark Dreyfus.

"If you took that logical, objective criteria, there's only one person who could possibly match it, and that's Mark Dreyfus, the outgoing attorney-general," he said.

Mr Latham, who lost the 2004 election to John Howard, says Labor at Caucus level has become dysfunctional.

"It's become an example of institutionalised instability and chaos," he said.

"If you sat back objectively and said, well what does Labor now need in its leadership, you'd say we need someone who's not from the union background.


AUDIO: Latham not optimistic about party reform (The World Today)
"Someone who's not part of the sub-factional warlords - the people immersed in the Rudd-Gillard quagmire over the last three years."

Mr Latham says Mr Dreyfus will not be running for leadership because "he's not part of the gang".

"That's the sad thing about Labor, that objectively the person who could present a new face, a new outlook, won't even be thought of.

"We're going to go back to what? Shorten - union, union, union - or Albanese - warlord, warlord, warlord.

"I mean, if they don't change themselves now, in the dark night of defeat, you'd have to think what hope is there for the future?

"The lasting legacy of the Rudd return should be to embrace his call for comprehensive party reform."

Mr Latham says the election result has proved the old Labor ways are broken and that the party must be opened up and give members more of a say.

But he says he fears change won't occur.

"I come out of this system knowing how it works. I know the sort of telephone calls that are being made right now as these sub-factional warlords try and do for the next three years effectively what they've done for the last three years - continue to wreck the modern Labor Party," he said.

 

[Calliope]

It is rumoured that Rudd still has aspirations to be Secretary-General of the United Nations, and with the aid of Bruce Hawker will now start a destabilising campaign against Ban Ki-moon.

 

[noco]

I was watching Richo interviewing Stephen Conroy tonight and from all accounts the Labpr party are in chaos.

There is no leader to tell its members to shut up and they are all going off on their own tangents.

The Labor Party may not have a leader or a shadow cabinet for about 4 weeks.

But of course that is typical of the Labor Party, they can't govern themselves and they did not know how to govern the counrty.

 

[noco]

It is rumoured that Rudd still has aspirations to be Secretary-General of the United Nations, and with the aid of Bruce Hawker will now start a destabilising campaign against Ban Ki-moon.

Calliope, I am not sure if he will succeed as he is the laughing stock of the world.

I just cannot see world leaders voting for him unless of course no one else wants the job.

Ki-Moon is due to retire in December 2017. It is a 5 year term. So Rudd has a fair wait on his habds.

 

[Whiskers]

I was watching Richo interviewing Stephen Conroy tonight and from all accounts the Labpr party are in chaos.

There is no leader to tell its members to shut up and they are all going off on their own tangents.

The Labor Party may not have a leader or a shadow cabinet for about 4 weeks.

But of course that is typical of the Labor Party, they can't govern themselves and they did not know how to govern the counrty.

Yeah, I see this too... but is it a question of lack of leadership, Rudd and Gillard were both pretty tough leaders, or is it more a reflection of the faction power and preselection processes in politics, particularly bad in Labor recently.

If the party grass roots had more say as Rudds new rule advocates, the membership would probably endorse some different candidates and those candidates would be looking behind their backs for how party membership as opposed to faction bosses see their behaviour.

Personally I see it like a company board under hostile takeover. You have factional interest groups hell bent on using the vehicle for their own agenda rather than representing the interests of their stakeholders. While the process stays the same there will continue to be disharmony regardless of the quality of the leader. You just have to look to NSW and the revolving door of leaders promoted by the faction power brokers who later said they had no idea of certain key controversial issues that later developed in the back room deals behind their back.

While on the issue... If Shorton is nominated unopposed to circumvent membership participation, I expect Labor to be out of government for longer and a less effective opposition.

If the current faction bosses collude to recind one of the few good things Rudd did, I would expect the party faithfull and the swinging voter (the only one that counts) to give Labor, the self professed custodian of social justice, a wide berth for quite a long time.

 

[noco]

I think we will have to rename Kevin Rudd....."RUDD THE WRECKER".

He has absolutely thrown the Labor party into chaos like they have never seen before.

Maybe if he is now on the Liberal Party payroll he is worth a lot more.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...s-set-to-explode/story-fnfenwor-1226718011557

 

[Julia]

Thanks for the link, noco. Richo doesn't spare his erstwhile colleagues! You'd have to think, given all he correctly points out, they would be completely mad to have this ballot. The obvious solution would be for Albanese to not run. Entirely possible that Shorten worked this out smartly and was so quick to declare his intention. Always has an eye to the main chance, does Mr Shorten.

 

[Whiskers]

Thanks for the link, noco. Richo doesn't spare his erstwhile colleagues! You'd have to think, given all he correctly points out, they would be completely mad to have this ballot. The obvious solution would be for Albanese to not run. Entirely possible that Shorten worked this out smartly and was so quick to declare his intention. Always has an eye to the main chance, does Mr Shorten.

Julia, I'm curious why you think party membership participation in the appointment of a candidate and especially leader is not a good thing. Even the USA for all their short-comings involve party membership in preselection much more openly than we do.

Also, given the history of Richardson as one of their arguably most brutal back room power brokers and Conroy's association with fraudster Mike Kaiser, they are hardly role models for democracy and accountability are they?

Further, Conroy (and Richardson) preaching about what's best (by definition a democratic process) for the party has to be a hypocrite doesn't he...such as, advocating (failed) media public interest and censorship laws that he wanted to pass as a bundle without discussion let alone negotiation.

Aren't they just amplifying the point I made earlier that the faction fighting bosses are putting their self-interest ahead of the party and democratic accountability for their preselection and leader selection?

Would they dare come out and criticise a leader appointed by the membership like they have past leaders? I think not. They have no way of influencing, intimidating or corrupting the membership like they do each other in jostling for positions.

 

[Julia]

Julia, I'm curious why you think party membership participation in the appointment of a candidate and especially leader is not a good thing.

I make no judgement about whether it's good for the Labor Party or not, Whiskers. And care less, to be honest.
I was simply reflecting on the reality that a month, or maybe quite a bit longer, for the Labor Party to (a) be without a leader, and (b) to be campaigning within themselves for another extended period, represents political disaster.
In the meantime, the new government are happily able to capitalise on Labor's ongoing disarray.
No wonder the Coalition are so happy!

The other point is that this new rule would never have occurred to Labor, had it not been for our Kevin's attempt to institute it to shore up his own situation, i.e. preventing a repeat of him again being shafted by his own colleagues because they so detest him. Because they were desperate to view Kevin Rudd as the only person who could save them from the most ignominious defeat ever under Julia Gillard, they enthusiastically embraced whatever Kevin made a condition of his return.

So now Kevin has lost the election and is nonetheless determined to sit malevolently on the back bench, where the media will continue to offer him disproportionate attention, no doubt asking him repeatedly during this contest between Shorten and Albanese which one he favours etc, so that essentially the focus will once again switch to Kevin.

Even if that were not to happen, do you really think it's a good look for Labor, after all the blood letting they have been through, to now have two of their few remaining senior members vying off against each other for the leadership?

Also, given the history of Richardson as one of their arguably most brutal back room power brokers and Conroy's association with fraudster Mike Kaiser, they are hardly role models for democracy and accountability are they?

Indeed not, but they are Labor insiders and their opinions are worth expressing imo.

Would they dare come out and criticise a leader appointed by the membership like they have past leaders? I think not.

You'd think not, wouldn't you. But such are the machinations, the backroom deals, and the intense personal hatreds within the Labor Party, anything is possible.

 

[Logique]

Labor have seriously jumped the shark with this presidential style, Opposition Leader pre-selection fiasco.

Just when they need to unify as a party, they go out and foster even more internal division.

Labor Party - call in the administrators.

 

[noco]

Thanks for the link, noco. Richo doesn't spare his erstwhile colleagues! You'd have to think, given all he correctly points out, they would be completely mad to have this ballot. The obvious solution would be for Albanese to not run. Entirely possible that Shorten worked this out smartly and was so quick to declare his intention. Always has an eye to the main chance, does Mr Shorten.

One of the problems I see facing Shorten is the conflict of interest with Governor General Bryce.

He is married to the GG's daughter.

 

[Calliope]

Anthony Albanese a Kevin Rudd man - always



http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-rudd-man-always/story-fn59niix-1226718925818

 

[Julia]

One of the problems I see facing Shorten is the conflict of interest with Governor General Bryce.

He is married to the GG's daughter.

How is that actually a conflict of interest?