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Federal Labor Party discussion

So what's new?

I wonder where the levy money would be kept, for safe keeping, incase it's needed to bail out a bank.lol

The government must think everyone is stupid, not just me.

It goes into general revenue so if it was needed it wouldn't be there. Its a tax not a levy.
 
The Government has already decided to offer a guarantee on bank deposits up to $250k so it has a potential immense liability on its books in the event of a crash.

A Tax/levy could be put aside as an insurance against such an event but in fact if there was a bank crash I suspect the cost would be far higher than the proposed income.

Another way to do this might be to add an extra 1% tax bite to the profits of banks which is then placed in the Future Fund.

To be fair the banks were getting an exceptionally good run with the government guarantee at no cost enabling them to access lower cost funds. And they are doing so well..
 
Rather reminiscent of John Howard - complete with tracksuit. The things people will do - have they no self-respect?

 

I certainly hope it is a levy on deposits, then everyone who gets their pay, welfare payment, disability payment, pension, dividends or any other payment, paid into the bank, pays it.
Magic.
It is another tax no one can avoid, just as good as putting up the gst, without doing it.

It is a shame Labor isn't as clever spending the money, as they are finding new ways to raise it.lol

Yes Kev is on TV telling us that the economy is in great shape, while the RBA is dropping interest rates to stop us going into recession.
I don't think the public believe Kev.
 
To be fair the banks were getting an exceptionally good run with the government guarantee at no cost enabling them to access lower cost funds. And they are doing so well..
Could you please provide evidence that the government guarantee was provided at no cost?
That is entirely contrary to all the publicity at the time which made clear the banks were paying a fee to the government for the privilege of the guarantee.

This tax is a joke. The banks' capacity to balance their books is far and away superior to that of the government.
How ironic that this incompetent government is slapping a tax on the banks!
About as truthful as any suggestion that the tobacco tax is all about health. What rubbish. It's all about filling the budget hole. If it were actually about health, and the government actually believed the additional cost would inspire people to stop smoking, then they wouldn't receive the damn additional revenue, would they, because the sales would not be there!!!

Yes Kev is on TV telling us that the economy is in great shape, while the RBA is dropping interest rates to stop us going into recession.
Exactly.

I don't think the public believe Kev.
Well, about half of them apparently do, sptrawler, however incredible that might be. Short memories for damn sure.
 
Well, about half of them apparently do, sptrawler, however incredible that might be. Short memories for damn sure.

Yes its amazing how much traction Kev is getting from reactionary policy, trying to move back to where he was before he took office in 2007.

His current policies, are are a direct reflection of their policy failures.
There is nothing they can hold up as a shining example of six years in office.
That is why he is going back to 'Howard lite' it worked last time.
 
Great new taxes, and yes I am being sarcastic -

1 - Tobacco. Kev's getting serious about cancer is he? Good on him - has anybody told him he is not the first politician to raise taxes on smokes? 12.5% increase in the "levy" per year for 4 years IIRC. Pretty big hike, glad he's not just trying to feed the ALP's addiction to spending money right? Those saying, "It's about time smokers paid...." - surely you're not serious are you? Let's not pretend smokers haven't been paying taxes on their filthy (yet profitable for tax) habit these past 20 odd years....

2 - Bank tax to fund the guarantee. As Julia stated, I'm pretty sure I've heard of them already paying for this in some way when it was introduced, though I could be wrong. In any case, being a bank shareholder I'm confident these taxes/levies will be passed on to the consumer so my investments aren't affected. Got to be a good thing. So long as I can continue with my fee free banking I'll be happy. Anyone who thinks the banks will pay some of their profits (ala the mining tax) - 1% was mentioned earlier, as an extra tax/levy is dreaming. Much easier for the banks to pass on their costs (+ a healthy profit margin for themselves) than the mining companies..

3 - I am sure I read there was another one... Has anyone been charged with Industrial Manslaughter yet for the pink bats debarkle... still makes me angry that one...

As stated, hopefully these new dips into the peoples' pockets will swing voters the other way..
 
Regarding the suggested insurance levy on deposits.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...-car-makers-20130801-2r2af.html#ixzz2al3yPZUL




http://www.treasury.gov.au/Publicat...-the-post-global-financial-crisis-environment

I believe the Banks were very appreciative of this blanket support for them and the whole financial system. From memory this was the time when overseas banks were experiencing runs the fear of similar events in Australia was very real.
 
Thanks Basilio.
I was misinformed. The amount collected will be quarantined.
I think the market has overreacted, should be a surge in bank shares today.
 
Rudd is showing the same lack of judgement as Gillard, hate to think what he'd dream/stuff up if he won.
 
I believe the Banks were very appreciative of this blanket support for them and the whole financial system. From memory this was the time when overseas banks were experiencing runs the fear of similar events in Australia was very real.
Rubbish. There was no genuine fear of bank runs in Australia.
These guarantees provided the banks continued access to funds on competitive terms during the turmoil.
Note "on competitive terms": translation = they paid a fee for the guarantee as I have said earlier.

Thanks Basilio.
I was misinformed. The amount collected will be quarantined.
I think the market has overreacted, should be a surge in bank shares today.

I wonder how well it is quarantined, if it is classed as revenue.
Exactly. How is classified as revenue, helping to fill Labor's budget black hole, if it's quarantined, Knobby?
An economist this morning (didn't catch his name) said the 'insurance levy' would take 44 years to just amount to enough to potentially bail out a second tier bank.

The whole idea is as genuine as imagining the additional tax on tobacco is all about health.
 
Exactly. How is classified as revenue, helping to fill Labor's budget black hole, if it's quarantined, Knobby?
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Its treated the same way as the future fund. Adds to the government figures though presumably won't be accessible. But we all know about politicians and a pot of money.
I agree it is unnecessary and we don't need more taxes. I used to hate the FID tax.

I was right about the market over reacting yesterday. Lovely rise today.
 

Julia I don't believe you are correct on the situation in Australia in September 2008.

It was a time of real financial terror. Banks were falling over left right and centre as well as major Australian corporations with large property liabilities (and obviously exposure to banks).

If you would like to refresh your memory check out this analysis of the period. I have quoted only one section but the whole document is worth reading.


http://www.stubbornmule.net/2008/10/australia-and-the-gfc/
 
I've never heard of "The Stubborn Mule" which seems to be your source here.
If there was any fear of our banks falling over, it would have been a contagion of fear, not a realistic assessment that our well regulated, profitable banks were actually going to collapse.

To prevent such an unnecessary concern spreading, the government came up with the guarantee as a way of saying 'stop worrying, folks, we're the government and we're here to help'.

Then they charged the banks for this.

Given the status of our big four banks as some of the most stable and profitable in the world, if they were to collapse we might as well all fold our tents.
 
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