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And that says it all when you're looking for why people will vote for the alternative, sydboy.
For me it's also the total lack of integrity amongst the Labor Party itself: their backstabbing and disloyalty so absolutely demonstrates that they as individuals will do anything at all, even compromise their most deeply held principles, to hold on to their own seats, and as a party, to hold on to power.
The notion that the purpose of their existence should be the welfare of all Australians and the protection of our way of life seems not even a secondary consideration. Repugnant.
It doesn't matter what 'level it's at". Read a bit more widely than you obviously have and you'll find predictions of much that has clearly not been considered by the government in their rush to find some easy money to bolster the budget. I don't have time right now to find it online but there's a pretty clear account in "The Weekend Australian" by Robert Gottliebsen titled "How we can fix the FBT farce".The views on FBT that have been passed to you seem to be incorect, at least at a Federal level. A reduction in car purchases would affect the states due to lower GST revenue, but the impact at a federal level would be if job losses cause unemployment benefits paid to be higher. Still, the claims it will cost working people money I find hard to believe.
We had the ludicrous spectacle of Industry Minister Kim Carr conceding that the government might have to increase financial support to the local car manufacturing industry, to offset the damage done by the FBT change".
So all you have left is to denigrate other posters who don't share your viewpoint?
I think history will judge the labor government of the last six years as the worst ever. We pay for these people to represent us - instead we now have billions in debt and little to show for it. Their history of management is dismal at best. They legislated a carbon tax against the will of he people as shown by opinion polls. They allowed over 45,000 arrivals who, by their own admission, are not genuine refugees fleeing persecution at massive cost to taxpayers.
This government is nothing like the labor party of Hawke and Keating. In fact, what do they actually stand for any more except desperation to be in power?
why do you feel it is OK to make snide remarks? What evidence do you have than I'm a "rusted on leftie"? Could you limit yourself to just to the factual information rather than personal attacks?
Can I just use a few quotes from you to highlight what you've done (they can be found in the gay marriage thread)
* Your posts are all unfounded presumptions # 499
* Making unfounded accusations and abusing people who don't think like you, is the worst form of bigotry. #499
* I suppose you colluded to put me down. The attack was out of the blue. What is your motive? Just spite? Why? #522
No point fighting the good fight. All you will get is snide remarks and attacks ... no discussion of substance. Calliope is just going to take the Pierre de Fermet route, "I have all the answers but there isn't enough space on this forum to write it.( i.e I can't be bothered articulating them)". Easiest way to win an argument, isn't it.
It doesn't matter what 'level it's at". Read a bit more widely than you obviously have and you'll find predictions of much that has clearly not been considered by the government in their rush to find some easy money to bolster the budget. I don't have time right now to find it online but there's a pretty clear account in "The Weekend Australian" by Robert Gottliebsen titled "How we can fix the FBT farce".
And from another article on the same subject we have this:
This is precisely the sort of trademark Labor lack of thinking something through before rushing ahead with it.
For the record, I'm not at all opposed to tax perks being withdrawn. They all keep taxes higher for everyone to the benefit of fewer.
Please follow the posts carefully to see who is denigrating who. I have been down this path once before and will not be drawn into it. ...
It doesn't matter what 'level it's at". Read a bit more widely than you obviously have and you'll find predictions of much that has clearly not been considered by the government in their rush to find some easy money to bolster the budget. I don't have time right now to find it online but there's a pretty clear account in "The Weekend Australian" by Robert Gottliebsen titled "How we can fix the FBT farce".
And from another article on the same subject we have this:
This is precisely the sort of trademark Labor lack of thinking something through before rushing ahead with it.
For the record, I'm not at all opposed to tax perks being withdrawn. They all keep taxes higher for everyone to the benefit of fewer.
As I see it there are several industries reliant on government tax relief or handouts. Clearly the car industry is one and by changing the tax rules has severely hurt the industry. Child care is another industry which would collapse if government support were to be suddenly pulled. I understand that Therese Rein (Rudd's wife) has built her business on government handouts - what would have happened to her cash cow if those handouts had been scrapped?
Labor's spin that people just need to keep a log book isn't going to pick car sales back up. So now labor are either going to have to pay more money to the industry to keep them afloat or pay for more unemployed people. Real clever...not!
So, for the guy who was PM of the government that trashed our border controls to now be talking about fixing the problem is extraordinary. He shows no embarrassment at all. Not a scintilla of pink enters his endlessly cheery face.
He seems to me to be like the guy that pours petrol through your house, strikes a match at the back door, takes a quick walk around the block and then shows up on your front lawn manning the fire hose and assuring bystanders that he has the fire under control. If you watched it in a psycho thriller movie it would be unsettlingly spooky. There is something very sinister about the pyromaniac turned fireman.
So basically you're saying to not make any changes to the tax system untill a totally comprehensive overhaul of the entire system can be done?
If a lot of jobs are lost over this change, then one has to question if the whole industry was built upon a tax break that was not actually supporting businesses?
You could argue that he is doing it to neuter Abbott and in the modern world of cynical politics, this is a just tactic.
From now on, any asylum seeker who arrives in Australia by boat will have no chance of being settled in Australia as refugees. Asylum seekers taken to Christmas Island will be sent to Manus and elsewhere in Papua New Guinea for assessment of their refugee status.
"Commencing on the day of announcement any unauthorised maritime arrival entering Australian waters will be liable for transfer to Papua New Guinea".
.We will take as much as we can on the capacities that we have on the ground… You can’t just simply estimate a number
The biggest question of all is to what extent is Labor's heart in it, in particular after the election.The boats will stop coming once they know they are going to New Guinea.
That's just nit picking. There is a lot of fear in the Murdoch press.
You certainly are a trusting soul. Rudd/Gillard/Rudd have a history of talking big and achieving little. This scheme will unravel before the election, even if it is held early.
The boats will stop coming once they know they are going to New Guinea.
I share your concerns about once again having Rudd as our PM. He was bloody hopeless last time with his economic mismanagement, his disgraceful performance on border protection, and his numerous ill-considered policies that turned to dust after first wasting billions of dollars. He had grandiose plans but little practical ability in terms of thinking things through and considering all the pros and cons. Now he’s shaping up pretty much the same way as last time. The man was incompetent and he still is.The fact Rudd isn't announcing an election today makes me wonder what his next rabbit is that he is going to pull out of his hat. I really am impressed with his political skills but fear him as a Prime Minister.
I share your concerns about once again having Rudd as our PM. He was bloody hopeless last time with his economic mismanagement, his disgraceful performance on border protection, and his numerous ill-considered policies that turned to dust after first wasting billions of dollars.
Australia and PNG agreed on Friday that asylum seekers travelling to Australia by boat will be turned away, processed and potentially resettled in PNG.
In exchange, Australia has a agreed to a raft of infrastructure programs in the university, roads, health and law and order sector.
"The costings for the Ramu-Madang highway has not been done, design and costings for of course Lae hospital has not been done. So it costs into millions of Kina," Mr O'Neill told journalists in Port Moresby upon his return from Brisbane on Monday.
A broader tax reform context and more consultation is not necessarily limited to a totally comprehensive overhaul of the entire system, but your reference to that is interesting in that it's exactly what a Rudd government initiated in its first term (Henry review).
With regard to job losses, any change is generally going to have winners and losers. The key to managing such change is to maximise the winners relative to the losers and this is where consultation and transition comes in.
As a matter of general principal, I'm against negative gearing of salary income, but I also realise that policy change in this area would also need to be transitional. Do you remember how Paul Keating discovered that the rug couldn't be pulled from that in one go ?
. He had grandiose plans but little practical ability in terms of thinking things through and considering all the pros and cons. Now he’s shaping up pretty much the same way as last time. The man was incompetent and he still is.[/I]
One could apply this to Abbott as well. His 100 dams go north "policy" thought bubble shows that. It makes good politics because it gives the nationals a carrot to dangle to their electorates, but if they try to go ahead with it there'll be billions of dollars wasted.
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