Federal Labor Party discussion

[sydboy007]

Agree that it would be interesting to hear the opinions of ASF's Left on Mr Rudd's asylum seeker policy.
So Cynical? IFocus? Sydboy? Orr? Others whose names I can't right now bring to mind.

The Greens, amongst their disgust, will be salivating at the numbers of once Labor voters who will now swing to them.

As I've said many MANY times I've a centrist. Sometimes my views would be centre left and sometimes they are centre right.

I support the refugee plan Rudd is proposing. It kills of any incentive to get on a boat and try to make it here.

I know all the ASF right support Tony's nanny state gold plated paid parental leave, and fully support his direction action policies too. If we have to agree 100% with everything the major parties are proposing then I'd dare say no one would vote for either of them.

What do the ASF right think about Rudd cutting off the car perks for those too lazy to keep a log book? In this day and age of smart phones there's an app to do all the hard work for you. Yet Tony is standing up for the vested interests yet again. Rudds making some tough decisions and wearing the outcry. When was the last time Tony did that eh?

 

[johenmo]

What do the ASF right think about Rudd cutting off the car perks for those too lazy to keep a log book? In this day and age of smart phones there's an app to do all the hard work for you. Yet Tony is standing up for the vested interests yet again. Rudds making some tough decisions and wearing the outcry. When was the last time Tony did that eh?

Agree with this even thought Labour deserves the opposition. If you can't be bothered completing a book, miss out. Log books take 20 seconds to complete - big deal! Anything else is an excuse, not a reason.

As for perks, when is the post-politics perk gravy train going to stop? Very few things annoy me now but when I read about the money spent on free airfares, offices, cars, staff for ex-MPs who has left politics...Grrr Is there a way that this could be stopped? Short of an Egyptian-style uprising? Or am I the only one who sees this as unaffordable etc.?

 

[Calliope]

As I've said many MANY times I've a centrist. Sometimes my views would be centre left and sometimes they are centre right.

Pull the other leg.

I know all the ASF right support Tony's nanny state gold plated paid parental leave, and fully support his direction action policies too.

Do you really? Name one.

 

[sydboy007]

Pull the other leg.



Do you really? Name one.

Oh Calliope, sometimes you just can't see the sarcasm eh. Ligthen up mate

The point I'm trying to make is that the majority on this forum - because lets face it most of the people posting in the threads are very supportive of the right - also have quite a few issues with some of Tony's policies. These issues tend to be glossed over. Bad policy is well, bad policy whoever is proposing it.

So I just found it funny that it was like "oh I wonder what all those left wing tree huggers will think about Rudds new refugee policy".

At least at times I can be supportive of some of the policies of the right, but can you give me one policy from Tony that's worth supporting? I'm not talking thought bubbles, but something that has detail on how it's going to be designed and implemented? I wont hold my breath to get much of an answer from you.

I'm sure if Tony had suggested the changes Rudd made for cars and FBT, and Rudd was doing an Abbott protest over them, the ASF right would be complaining loudly over it. Do you support Abbotts stance on the changes? Why or why not?

It's this belief that ideas have to be from the right or left that causes democracies so much trouble.

So does me being supportive of the refugee changes make me a dope smoking leftie, or am I pitiless cold hearted right wing fascist?? I can see the good and bad of it, but see it will do more good than bad so support it. If Tony had come up with the idea I'd feel the same. It certainly has a far better chance of stopping the boats AND we don't piss the Indonesians off either. Tony's been outplayed on this one. Suck it up

Anyways, what does it matter how someone votes? What does it matter if they are from the left or right? A lot of Howards policies seemed to come from the far left. All that middle class welfare he dished out.

 

[Calliope]

Oh Sydboy, you said;

"I know all the ASF right support Tony's nanny state gold plated paid parental leave, and fully support his direction action policies too."

In what way can this be dismissed as "sarcasm"? Please name "all the ASF right" supporters of the above policies, or admit you are just trolling, and to use your words "suck it up".

 

[sydboy007]

Oh Sydboy, you said;



In what way can this be dismissed as "sarcasm"? Please name "all the ASF right" supporters of the above policies, or admit you are just trolling, and to use your words "suck it up".

Well, i suppose when i see someone say something that is known to be wrong, and I've seen them post before, then i generally can tell if what they say is said sarcasticaly.

I'm sorry to have confused you. In future I will put a <sarcasm> after anything I say a bit tongue in cheek so you will not misinterpret my sarcasm for trolling.

Would you do the courtesy to answer teh questons I asked you in the post you have slectively quoted from?

Just so you wont have trouble understanding what I am referrign to I've put the 2 questions down below for you.

At least at times I can be supportive of some of the policies of the right, but can you give me one policy from Tony that's worth supporting? I'm not talking thought bubbles, but something that has detail on how it's going to be designed and implemented? I wont hold my breath to get much of an answer from you.

I'm sure if Tony had suggested the changes Rudd made for cars and FBT, and Rudd was doing an Abbott protest over them, the ASF right would be complaining loudly over it. Do you support Abbotts stance on the changes? Why or why not?

 

[Calliope]

At least at times I can be supportive of some of the policies of the right, but can you give me one policy from Tony that's worth supporting? I'm not talking thought bubbles, but something that has detail on how it's going to be designed and implemented? I wont hold my breath to get much of an answer from you.

Defeating the Rudd government, by exposing what an imposter he is.

I'm sure if Tony had suggested the changes Rudd made for cars and FBT, and Rudd was doing an Abbott protest over them, the ASF right would be complaining loudly over it. Do you support Abbotts stance on the changes? Why or why not.

Yes. Because;

Earlier today the Coalition said it had yet to finalise its position on the proposed changes, although it would not support anything that led to job losses.

Later, citing consultation with the industry, it declared it would not proceed with the changes, which it said would cost 320,000 Australians an average of $1400 a year.

“It's clear that this is a serious blow to an industry under pressure. This greedy grab from the government is costing sales today. It's costing jobs today,” Tony Abbott said.

 

[sydboy007]

Defeating the Rudd government, by exposing what an imposter he is.



Yes. Because;

So you can't name a policy from the coalition that you support, but you don't support Abbotts paid parental leave? One has to question why you would vote for him then.

So you think people should be able to claim a tax break without showing proof they are entitled to it? This is why the country is being bankrupted

Did you know you can install an app on a smart phone now and it will track all your daily movements and pretty much makes it a simple matter to log what trips are work related and which ones are personal.

I think the reason Tony is so against the changes being proposed is that he has had so much trouble in the past distinguishing between work travel and travel used to promote his book <sarcasm>.

 

[drsmith]

So you think people should be able to claim a tax break without showing proof they are entitled to it? This is why the country is being bankrupted

Did you know you can install an app on a smart phone now and it will track all your daily movements and pretty much makes it a simple matter to log what trips are work related and which ones are personal.

An argument that has some merit at least in isolation.

What also needs to be considered is the implications beyond such a narrow perspective. This has been the problem with many of Labor's rushed policies and why they have failed in that broader context.

 

[Calliope]

So you can't name a policy from the coalition that you support, but you don't support Abbotts paid parental leave? One has to question why you would vote for him then.

Because the alternative is so scary.

 

[sptrawler]

Because the alternative is so scary.

Don't think you are Robinson Crusoe, I am sure a majority of the population are scared to death of another term of Labor.
Howard was voted out because voters became complacent, Rudd will get voted out because voters are scared.imo

 

[explod]

Because the alternative is so scary.

Your answer contains absolutely no content.

In effect you cannot even tell us why you vote Abbott or detail a policy, nor do you justify your answer here as to why the alternative is scary.

 

[explod]

Don't think you are Robinson Crusoe, I am sure a majority of the population are scared to death of another term of Labor.
Howard was voted out because voters became complacent, Rudd will get voted out because voters are scared.imo

Howard was voted out because he lost touch, if he ever had it anyway. I can remember in the meetings and demonstrations against the Iraq war, many Liberals I knew attended and marched against his support for Bush.

Voters are scared at losing jobs, falling house prices, increases in prices of essentials, trying to meet the mortgage and educate their children at the basic levels. Thoughout our history Labor Governments are elected in in such hard times as being currently felt out there now. Rudd is shining a big torch and Abbott contiunues to stammer, as in effect many of you here do too.

ALP 55%, lib/Nat 45%, election probably late August.

 

[sydboy007]

Because the alternative is so scary.

Seriously, you can't string a few sentences together explaining a policy from Abbott that you can support?

WOW

I can only shake me head at the absurdity.

At least i can name a few policies from the ALP I support.

 

[sptrawler]

Howard was voted out because he lost touch, if he every had it anyway. I can remember in the meetings and demonstrations against the Iraq war, many Liberals I knew attended and marched against his support for Bush.

Voters are scared at losing jobs, falling house prices, increases in prices of essentials, trying to meet the mortgage and educate thier children at the basic levels. Thoughout our history Labor Governments are elected in in such hard times as being currently felt out there now. Rudd is shining a big torch and Abbott contiunues to stammer, as in effect many of you here do too.

ALP 55%, lib/Nat 45%, election probably late August.

I hope you are right about the election timing, the sooner the better. Everyone is over waiting.

 

[FlyingFox]

Your answer contains absolutely no content.

In effect you cannot even tell us why you vote Abbott or detail a policy, nor do you justify your answer here as to why the alternative is scary.

+ 1

 

[sydboy007]

An argument that has some merit at least in isolation.

What also needs to be considered is the implications beyond such a narrow perspective. This has been the problem with many of Labor's rushed policies and why they have failed in that broader context.

So for this particular policy, what implications do you see as against the proposed changes?

 

[Calliope]

Your answer contains absolutely no content.

In effect you cannot even tell us why you vote Abbott or detail a policy, nor do you justify your answer here as to why the alternative is scary.

Well Plod, I don't give repetitive silly questions any credibility by taking them seriously. I think Syd's problem is too much headbanging.

 

[banco]

Well Plod, I don't give repetitive silly questions any credibility by taking them seriously. I think Syd's problem is too much headbanging.

More like once it gets beyond one sentence slogans you are in deep water and have to swim back to shore.

 

[drsmith]

So for this particular policy, what implications do you see as against the proposed changes?

In asking such a question, you've missed the broader context of what I'm saying.

A negative would be job losses. That's not to say that the fundamental principal is wrong, but it needs to be seen in a broader tax reform context than it has by Labor, and there also needs to be consultation. There is then a better prospect of getting the detail right.

As it is, it's just another knee jerk by Labor to help manage another problem of its own creation (carbon tax) in the light of an upcoming election campaign.