Fake News - Global Warming Consensus

[Sdajii]

What can one person do ? Tens of thousands of students around the world have spoken up about the effects CC will have on the world we are leaving them. But why did these students decide to take action.

They were inspired by another young student from Sweden. Leadership.
'Our leaders are like children,' school strike founder tells climate summit
Greta Thunberg, 15, told UN summit that students are acting in absence of global leadership

Damian Carrington in Katowice

@dpcarrington
Tue 4 Dec 2018 22.10 AEDT Last modified on Tue 4 Dec 2018 22.38 AEDT

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Thunberg during her Friday climate change protest. Photograph: Hanna Franzen/EPA
Action to fight global warming is coming whether world leaders like it or not, school student Greta Thunberg has told the UN climate change summit, accusing them of behaving like irresponsible children.

Thunberg began a solo climate protest by striking from school in Sweden in August. But more than 20,000 students around the world have now joined her. The school strikes have spread to at least 270 towns and cities in countries across the world, including Australia, the United Kingdom, Belgium, the US and Japan.

“For 25 years countless people have come to the UN climate conferences begging our world leaders to stop emissions and clearly that has not worked as emissions are continuing to rise. So I will not beg the world leaders to care for our future,” she said. “I will instead let them know change is coming whether they like it or not.”

“Since our leaders are behaving like children, we will have to take the responsibility they should have taken long ago,” she said. “We have to understand what the older generation has dealt to us, what mess they have created that we have to clean up and live with. We have to make our voices heard.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ounder-greta-thunberg-tells-un-climate-summit

These idiots are hilarious! They are the problem. They say they want 'someone else' to fix the problem, when they are the problem. Basic human nature is to consume resources and do it as cheaply and efficiently as possible for the individual. These people 'demanding action' are still consuming processed foods sourced from all corners of the globe, consuming oil and electricity, etc etc. They, like the majority of the people whining about 'someone needing to do something' simply do it because they are lied to about the causes and don't understand that they are the problem. What do they want to politicians to do? Tell people to stop consuming resources? Actually enforce people to stop using resources (these people would be the first to complain about that). Resources are available because people want them, and people consume them. If coal was banned, people would starve/freeze. If oil was banned, people would starve. If it was heavily restricted or taxed, things would get too expensive and people would riot and demand the system be relaxed. Yet when they get what they want, they demand that someone else is the problem and the problem needs to be fixed in some nebulous way.

 

[satanoperca]

If you think you can change basic human biology (which is the basically biology of all living things) on a global scale, hey, knock yourself out trying If you want to call me weak for understanding that this task is literally impossible, then I will consider you to be wrong, perhaps even delusional. I could even say you are weak, in that you lack the courage to face the reality you wish was not there.

Wow, so many statement to try and understand. So lets start linearly;
1. I don't think I can change human biology and are not trying to on a global scale, all it takes is a seed, one person to try and make change, this has happened in history, time and time again.
2. Literally impossible doesn't mean impossible, there is always a chance and in this case chance/hope is all we have.
3. Wrong or delusional, not the first time I have been wrong and I am delusional, so nothing new here.
4. To say I am weak, is what it is, maybe I am, maybe I am not, I have faced reality, death more than once, so you make your own mind up.
In conclusion, if it is delusion or weak to believe in hope and you are what the masses believe this planet is f---kd.

I hope you rethink your position, gain hope and conviction to fight what you think is right, we need more leaders and people with PASSION.

 

[wayneL]

These idiots are hilarious! They are the problem. They say they want 'someone else' to fix the problem, when they are the problem. Basic human nature is to consume resources and do it as cheaply and efficiently as possible for the individual. These people 'demanding action' are still consuming processed foods sourced from all corners of the globe, consuming oil and electricity, etc etc. They, like the majority of the people whining about 'someone needing to do something' simply do it because they are lied to about the causes and don't understand that they are the problem. What do they want to politicians to do? Tell people to stop consuming resources? Actually enforce people to stop using resources (these people would be the first to complain about that). Resources are available because people want them, and people consume them. If coal was banned, people would starve/freeze. If oil was banned, people would starve. If it was heavily restricted or taxed, things would get too expensive and people would riot and demand the system be relaxed. Yet when they get what they want, they demand that someone else is the problem and the problem needs to be fixed in some nebulous way.

Ding ding ding

This is just sooooo spot on.

Ferchrissake those kids just need a smack in the head on so many levels...

...actually, it is the activist teachers who deserve a nulla nulla to the temple. The kids are pawns.

 

[SirRumpole]

On overpopulation, how are you going to stop the urge for children.

So why are we paying people to have kids ?

Baby bonuses and Family Tax Bbenefits to encourage the production of more consumers and more forests being cut down to feed, house and clothe them ?

Really, any "true" Green (Scotsman or not), would be all out for reducing population growth and achieving population numbers consistent with sustainable use of resources.

 

[basilio]

Ding ding ding

This is just sooooo spot on.

Ferchrissake those kids just need a smack in the head on so many levels...

...actually, it is the activist teachers who deserve a nulla nulla to the temple. The kids are pawns.

Ah Wayne.. You never disappoint do you. Completely ignore the fact that these student strikes were in fact inspired by a student in Sweden. She has decided that if the politicians and so called leaders can't recognise what is happening with CC then someone else has to. And that spark is traveling around the world.

Much like the little boy in The Emperors New Clothes

 

[wayneL]

Ah Wayne.. You never disappoint do you. Completely ignore the fact that these student strikes were in fact inspired by a student in Sweden. She has decided that if the politicians and so called leaders can't recognise what is happening with CC then someone else has to. And that spark is traveling around the world.

Much like the little boy in The Emperors New Clothes

Yep, Im consistently on the side of logic bas.

As if 15year olds have any feckin idea mate.

 

[explod]

Yep, Im consistently on the side of logic bas.

As if 15year olds have any feckin idea mate.

Makes little difference to some. Grew up on a farm, monitored the weather all my life, only 73 now and many say I do not know and wrong.

Many swear by kids belief in a God but not climate change.

Won't bother going back but someone said earlier today on this thread that it's terrible that we have lost 20% of our forests. What a joke, there is little more than 10% left.

 

[basilio]

Yep, Im consistently on the side of logic bas.

As if 15year olds have any feckin idea mate.

Well it looks like they understand basic science and the consequences of creating uncontrolled amounts of Greenhouse gases on our climate.

Quite unlike people who parade their wilful ignorance on such matters as a matter of pride.

 

[Darc Knight]

Ah Wayne.. You never disappoint do you.

Yeah he's good, stand up comedy good. I like the one where he said he's always on the side of logic

 

[wayneL]

Well it looks like they understand basic science and the consequences of creating uncontrolled amounts of Greenhouse gases on our climate.

Quite unlike people who parade their wilful ignorance on such matters as a matter of pride.

Climate is not basic science, it is extremely complicated and chaotic. Additionally, at 15 they will not understand the politicization of the science, nor true scientific debate.

If they did understand science, they would modify their lifestyle rather than being gross unsustainable consumers. They would join people like me and reduce their consumption.

In fact, all this is parading your own cognitive biases bas, and that your position is political, not scientific.

 

[basilio]

Wayne the total picture of climate science has many elements and is certainly complex. You can discuss changes in planetary orbits, weathering of rocks, the role of vulcanism and the effects of CO2 on trapping heat.

But the simplest most obvious facts in 2018 that dominate what is happening to our climate right now are :
1) Earth is heating up at an a totally unparalleled rate
2) This has been caused by the steep increase in GG gases over the past 200 years but in particular the last 50.
3) These GG gases are human in origin
4) If we continue on this path almost all current ecosystems will die.

 

[wayneL]

Good, no more leftists to annoy everyone.

 

[basilio]

Climate change denial is delusion, and the biggest threat to human survival
By David Shearman

It would be fascinating to eavesdrop on discussions between members of the Flat Earth Society sailing the open sea, and debating why the horizon is curved. They would provide a good laugh.

They are deluded, but most committed flat earth believers appear normal in the rest of their lives and their delusion is not generally harmful to others.

A delusion is a belief that is clearly false, a denial of facts. It indicates an abnormality in the affected person's content of thought.

The false belief is not accounted for by the person's cultural or religious background or their level of intelligence.

The belief of climate change deniers is usually unshakable, like that of the flat-earth believers or Holocaust deniers. Many delude themselves that there is a conspiracy.

US President Donald Trump uses the words "hoax" and "Chinese hoax". Often their fervour leads to influential positions, for example in environment and energy policy as in the Coalition.

Dr David Shearman is the Honorary Advisor to Doctors for the Environment Australia and Emeritus Professor of Medicine at Adelaide University.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12...sm-holocaust-david-attenborough-coal/10585744

 

[Pixelperfect]

I've noticed that warm days with a maximum temperature of 30 or above were far more common this Spring than they were in Spring 2017.

That I have moved from Tasmania to SA during this time may explain it however.

The trouble is that temperature is not the same as the actual temperature. They go oh it's only 1.5C rise but fail to understand that temperature is not the same as feels like. Meaning taking into account, the heat radiating from the ground, the sun and the ambient temperature. This is why you have idiots who don't understand that just because it's a small percentage rise doesn't mean that it's going to feel the same temperature.

http://media.bom.gov.au/social/blog/379/when-the-temperature-isnt-the-actual-temperature/

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/antarctica/south-pole
Look at the temperature deviation for Antarctica. We are so screwed. This is a start of a chain reaction and a snow ball effect.

 

[Sdajii]

Wow, so many statement to try and understand. So lets start linearly;
1. I don't think I can change human biology and are not trying to on a global scale, all it takes is a seed, one person to try and make change, this has happened in history, time and time again.
2. Literally impossible doesn't mean impossible, there is always a chance and in this case chance/hope is all we have.
3. Wrong or delusional, not the first time I have been wrong and I am delusional, so nothing new here.
4. To say I am weak, is what it is, maybe I am, maybe I am not, I have faced reality, death more than once, so you make your own mind up.
In conclusion, if it is delusion or weak to believe in hope and you are what the masses believe this planet is f---kd.

I hope you rethink your position, gain hope and conviction to fight what you think is right, we need more leaders and people with PASSION.

1) You make no sense. You say you don't think you can do something then say you think you can.
2) Yes, that literally is what literally means. Consult a dictionary.
3) No argument from me there!
4) Already did, it's pointless to request me to do it again, especially when you have demonstrated it again to remove any lingering doubt in case any had been there.

Have a good day, feel free not to talk to me again

 

[SirRumpole]

Have a good day, feel free not to talk to me again

PM coming.

 

[Darc Knight]

The trouble is that temperature is not the same as the actual temperature. They go oh it's only 1.5C rise but fail to understand that temperature is not the same as feels like. Meaning taking into account, the heat radiating from the ground, the sun and the ambient temperature. This is why you have idiots who don't understand that just because it's a small percentage rise doesn't mean that it's going to feel the same temperature.

http://media.bom.gov.au/social/blog/379/when-the-temperature-isnt-the-actual-temperature/

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/antarctica/south-pole
Look at the temperature deviation for Antarctica. We are so screwed. This is a start of a chain reaction and a snow ball effect.

Can you link us to more information on this Antarctic warming and the snowball effect pls.

 

[qldfrog]

Back in oz ofter spending most of the year in china, on this subjet i believe in global warming , i believe we are screwing the planet, i do not believe this is due to co2 or ch4 release but strongly believe it is due to human activities...i posted my theory a few years ago..
But i think after living in china and travelling the world we are kidding ourself and are very arrogant in the west in believing we can even change that disaster coming
Unless manking reduces number, we are screwed so invest your effort and money into mitigating the effects, adapt your own position/lifestyle if you want to have a clear conscience of having done what you can personally,and not being a contributor but do not destroy your country economy for no purpose
Europe attitude is a good model of perfect stupidity:co2 down wealth as well..and transfered to China
while taking population overflow from breeding grounds...seriously
You will need your wealth to survive more than ever

 

[Knobby22]

Fascinating QLDfrog.
There has been a seismic shift in the global warming debate within the doubters. There now seems to be a large number of people that have realised that global warming is real who previously said it was scientists fudging figures.

Listened to Andrew Bolt Thursday night and he has completely shifted his view and like you also says we can do nothing about it. He was saying the main cause was volcanoes by the way.

You can understand that an 18 year old may not accept that we should do nothing for fear of hurting some rich people's wealth or economic damage.

The young are acting in their interest hence protests on the weekend. Not everyone can rely on being very wealthy to counter what is coming.

 

[Skate]

adapt your own position/lifestyle if you want to have a clear conscience of having done what you can personally

Yep, wise words...

Skate.