Fake news and its effect on the community

[moXJO]

It's not a closed fist. It could be termed a "strike" I suppose. I'm sure video was posted confirming it was in fact a push. Which is warranted considering you have a large animal being directed at you.

The guy was charged with various things. I'm not sure anything to do with the horse was one of them?
Perhaps the affray charge. It was supposed to go to court last month, what happened?

 

[rederob]

Yes the police acted with absolute integrity and honour throughout the whole covid lockdown, arresting pregnant soccer mums and pepper spraying old ladies lying injured on the ground.

Is this your comedy routine now?
The moron was not supposed to be where he was ultimately arrested.
Moreover, you, as a person with decades of experience around horses would know that if horses (the plural) with riders who are attempting to move you along, do not stand your ground without consequences. And the last thing you do if you are silly enough to attempt that, is used a clenched fist instead of a palm to sway the horse away.
Your responses are certainly laughable!

 

[rederob]

It's not a closed fist.

Picture of "not a closed fist":

Thumb over the index finger and other fingers bent in towards the palm!
Horse felt nothing and was clearly laughing it off, above.

It could be termed a "strike" I suppose. I'm sure video was posted confirming it was in fact a push.

No, Mr Free Speech actually struck the horse 3 times, had no right to be where he was, and refused to move along, being in fact one of the few who did so.

Which is warranted considering you have a large animal being directed at you.

He disobeyed a public health order to attend a protest rally, refused to move along/disperse, and even after being jailed he refused to be swabbed for covid on an excuse that would make @cynic proud.

 

[wayneL]

Is this your comedy routine now?
The moron was not supposed to be where he was ultimately arrested.
Moreover, you, as a person with decades of experience around horses would know that if horses (the plural) with riders who are attempting to move you along, do not stand your ground without consequences. And the last thing you do if you are silly enough to attempt that, is used a clenched fist instead of a palm to sway the horse away.
Your responses are certainly laughable!

I make no comment about the rest of his actions, certainly not what I would do and make no excuses for him.

But not a well known fact, I am a black belt in Goju Ryu (though have not trained for many years). I know what a strike is and I know what a parry is. I also know the mechanics the human body is in situations with regards to the wrist and hands, and how to observe speed and tension in agonist and antagonist muscle groups.

My observation is that he connected with the horse with the padded edge of his 5th metacarpal, ie the heel of his hand, rather than the metacarpophalangeal joints, ie his knuckles.

A defensive move, an obvious parry.

If he was arrested for is other actions at the protest, fair play. But the charge of animal cruelty, vis a vis punching the horse in the face, is absolutely bogus.

And seeing as that my decades of horsemanship is being invoked here (including with some pretty comprehensive experience with the Mounties), then perhaps the mounted policeman should be charged for animal cruelty with regards to his excessive use of the spur and bit.

 

[wayneL]

By the way, by way of another little known fact and useless trivia, I used to own an ex police horse which I competed in show jumping for many years.

I ended up with him because he did not make it through the training program, and was profoundly traumatised by what they did to him.

I know what they did to him because I have a very good friend who was in the Mounties at the time and told me what happened. (He actually left the mounties because he couldn't stand the cruelty that he witnessed... Became a remedial horse trainer).

So let's not get too carried away with bulshit about animal cruelty rederob, you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[rederob]

Observation is that I'm on connected with the horse with the padded edge of his 5th metacarpal, ie the heel of his hand, rather than the metacarpophalangeal joints, ie his knuckles.

A defensive move.

Keep up the comedy routine - he stood his ground and used a clenched fist against the horse.
Perhaps this is a valid defence: Officer, I know it was a gun pointed at you, but it was not loaded at the time!

But the charge of animal cruelty, vis a vis punching the horse in the face, is absolutely bogus.

How about this then; I was just checking his age:

Ah yes, the evidence in multiple commercial and social media shows a law abiding citizen who loves animals visiting his favourite horse for another chat!
Laughable!

And seeing as that my decades of horsemanship is being invoked here (including with some pretty comprehensive experience with the Mounties), then perhaps the mounted policeman should be charged for animal cruelty with regards to his excessive use of the spur and bit.

Your diversionary skills are excellent.

 

[wayneL]

In rederob's close-up we can actually observe that there is more trauma being infected on the horses face by the use of the bit than by the man's parry.

Wanna go down that road? We can talk about bits/bridles, morphology and physiology of horses mouth and facial nerves...

...if you like?

 

[rederob]

So let's not get too carried away with bulshit about animal cruelty rederob, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I apologise @wayneL - there I was thinking it was Sydney, and now it appears Tobruk was being ridden by the Mounties somewhere in Canada.
So pleased you cleared up the fake news.

 

[rederob]

In rederob's close-up we can actually observe that there is more trauma being infected on the horses face by the use of the bit than by the man's parry.

Wanna go down that road? We can talk about bits/bridles, morphology and physiology of horses mouth and facial nerves...

...if you like?

What about China?

 

[wayneL]

Keep up the comedy routine - he stood his ground and used a clenched fist against the horse.
Perhaps this is a valid defence: Officer, I know it was a gun pointed at you, but it was not loaded at the time!


How about this then; I was just checking his age:
View attachment 140600
Ah yes, the evidence in multiple commercial and social media shows a law abiding citizen who loves animals visiting his favourite horse for another chat!
Laughable!

Your diversionary skills are excellent.

Let's see the footage... and additionally, look at the action of the bit from the copper.

The charge is cruelty, Rob. If you want to play that game you simply cannot win, because I know what goes on there.

 

[wayneL]

I apologise @wayneL - there I was thinking it was Sydney, and now it appears Tobruk was being ridden by the Mounties somewhere in Canada.
So pleased you cleared up the fake news.

Again displaying your ignorance as the Australian mounted police are colloquially known as the "mounties" to all within the horse industry and the police force.

Stop being a child.

 

[moXJO]

Picture of "not a closed fist":
View attachment 140597
Thumb over the index finger and other fingers bent in towards the palm!
Horse felt nothing and was clearly laughing it off, above.

No, Mr Free Speech actually struck the horse 3 times, had no right to be where he was, and refused to move along, being in fact one of the few who did so.

He disobeyed a public health order to attend a protest rally, refused to move along/disperse, and even after being jailed he refused to be swabbed for covid on an excuse that would make @cynic proud.

It's not a fist. The fingers are to high in the palm and it's also held to loosely to be classed as a "fist". That doesn't mean he can't strike with it. But given the video evidence, it's not a strong case to say it was a punch.

Having that much palm exposed usually means you are using the palm to shove while protecting the fingers. It also can be turned into a fist for actual punching. But it was held out loose.

The other points could be argued, but I don't really care.

 

[moXJO]

But not a well known fact, I am a black belt in Goju Ryu (though have not trained for many years). I know what a strike is and I know what a parry is. I also know the mechanics the human body is in situations with regards to the wrist and hands, and how to observe speed and tension in agonist and antagonist muscle groups.

Yeah, I'm just butt hurt because I was a fighter for so many years.

 

[rederob]

It's not a fist. The fingers are to high in the palm and it's also held to loosely to be classed as a "fist".

Do some anatomy:

If you were right then his fingernails would be visible.
And his thumb would not be able to wrap around as it does!
Did you take one too many knocks in the ring?

 

[rederob]

Let's see the footage... and additionally, look at the action of the bit from the copper.

Why?
Are you going to concoct more fake news?

The charge is cruelty, Rob. If you want to play that game you simply cannot win, because I know what goes on there.

So do police and so do State Prosecutors who brought the charge. I suggest you go to bat for the moron seeing you seem so well versed on this.

 

[cynic]

He disobeyed a public health order to attend a protest rally, refused to move along/disperse, and even after being jailed he refused to be swabbed for covid on an excuse that would make @cynic proud.

My comments here have been primarily centred around concern regarding the integrity(in this case lack thereof) of the published claims to the perpetration of a physically violent act against an animal!

Your baseless attribution, to myself, of sentiments, that I have, as yet, not discussed, is inappropriate, unjustified, and off topic. Aforementioned attribution, also happens to be entirely incorrect!!!

One wonders how it is, that the perennial claimant, to cognitive superiority, could possibly come to make such a careless mistake- namely
the bold expression of one's personal misperceptions of another's unstated views?

Perhaps you consider yourself, to hold superior expertise, to myself, when it comes to knowing my thoughts!!!

 

[moXJO]

Do some anatomy:
View attachment 140605
If you were right then his fingernails would be visible.
And his thumb would not be able to wrap around as it does!
Did you take one too many knocks in the ring?

His hand was upright and the knuckles were not connecting. Palm is way to open with the lower open part in contact with the horse.

It was a shove. Otherwise the above photo of the fist (as an example) would have the horse head at the top of the photo connecting with the knuckles. It was a shove using the meaty part of the hand under the pinky finger.

 

[rederob]

My comments here have been primarily centred around concern regarding the integrity(in this case lack thereof) of the published claims to the perpetration of a physically violent act against an animal!

You don't mean this irrelevance then?

Possibly not quite the right thread for this posting, given that the content appears to closely align with reality, but, would anyone care to guess, the source of the underquoted statement/admission?
"(Modelling can tell you anything you want - it all depends on the input)"

On topic, a moron struck a police horse with his closed fist, as per an abundance of evidence and a charge being laid by the State Prosecutor.
But in your world of apparent fairy tales that did not happen!

Your baseless attribution, to myself, of sentiments, that I have, as yet, not discussed, is inappropriate, unjustified, and off topic. Aforementioned attribution, also happens to be entirely incorrect!!!

Put that into English.
I seldom find your comments to be sensible, and that was another example!

One wonders how it is, that the perennial claimant, to cognitive superiority, could possibly come to make such a careless mistake- namely
the bold expression of one's personal misperceptions of another's unstated views?
Perhaps you consider yourself, to hold superior expertise, to myself, when it comes to knowing my thoughts!!!

Would you like me to buy Grammarly for you?

 

[cynic]

On topic, a moron struck a police horse with his closed fist, as per an abundance of evidence and a charge being laid by the State Prosecutor.

If that were actually true, then it wouldn't be on topic in a "Fake news..." thread (such as this one).

But in your world of apparent fairy tales that did not happen!

Not just my world!! Many happen to share my perspective on this (as is evidenced by multiple postings from various other thread participants, not to mention an abundance of people expressing similar views elsewhere etc.). Fortunately for yourself, I prefer to form my views based upon the actual evidence, rather than making the fashionable mistake, of misinterpreting widespread agreement, as substantive proof.

Put that into English.
I seldom find your comments to be sensible, and that was another example!

It is already in English. I do trust that someone, esteeming themselves so highly, would be capable of utilising dictionary assistance, upon encountering unfamiliar words.

Would you like me to buy Grammarly for you?

That seems more akin to an intentional insult than a serious question. As such, it does not merit a response.

 

[rederob]

If that were actually true, then it wouldn't be on topic in a "Fake news..." thread (such as this one).

The "fake news" are your claims, lol.
This does not get funner.

Not just my world!! Many happen to share my perspective on this (as is evidenced by multiple postings from various other thread participants, not to mention an abundance of people expressing similar views elsewhere etc.).

Yep, and how many Americans still think Trump won the 2020 Presidential election. PT Barnum wrote this script.

Fortunately for yourself, I prefer to form my views based upon the actual evidence,

Oh, so please join @wayneL in defending the moron.

rather than making the fashionable mistake, of misinterpreting widespread agreement, as substantive proof.

No, I think the police know what they are doing and relied on what everyone else saw as well, except they were on the scene, one in fact riding the struck horse!

It is already in English. I do trust that someone, esteeming themselves so highly, would be capable of utilising dictionary assistance, upon encountering unfamiliar words.

I actually write things that people can understand.
You disappear words into an incomprehensible gluttony of molasses.