Fake news and its effect on the community

[moXJO]

I continually show your comments to be off topic, weak or baseless. So yes, I present the other half of the picture - the part that links to credible sources and evidence.
And NO, the other "half of the picture" cannot be disinformation unless it is a misrepresentation or deliberate deceit, ie. something your posts have made into an artform.
BTW, presenting facts is about offering information generally accepted as true, which is the exact opposite of your point.

I'm saying the way you present it is in the style of disinformation. You push forth a narrative with selected "facts", while ignoring large parts of how it actually happened from the outset.

So I am indeed on topic. You just don't like being the subject.

You are just trying the tried and true method of 'discrediting'.
Kind of like what happened to Trump the first few years.

 

[rederob]

I'm saying the way you present it is in the style of disinformation. You push forth a narrative with selected "facts", while ignoring large parts of how it actually happened from the outset.

So I am indeed on topic. You just don't like being the subject.

You are just trying the tried and true method of 'discrediting'.
Kind of like what happened to Trump the first few years.

You are making unsubstantiated claims.
Try posting something worthy of debate.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

It seems to me that all news from the right or left is totally fake, following the opinions of a powerful few.

It is my belief that the conversation needs to be taken to a higher level, to that of always being ultimately on the winning side. Now you may question the latter half of that sentence.

1. Should one be on the winning side always.
2. What is meant by ultimately.

My argument would be that to not be on the winning side deprives oneself, one's dependants/friends and society of the social and economic power and benefits that comes from being a winner.

As to what ultimately means, it depends, as we all know as investors and traders on the time frame.

It is quite obvious to me that all Western News and Politics is fake. I would not trust any politician or news outlet to tell the truth. It is all up to interpretation.

All parties in the democratic West are beholden to factions and the party line. Again they, individually, are fake, as is their party line. All are open to change at the whiff of the possibility of losing or gaining power.

Increasingly polls in the West ( which may be fake) are showing that a significant minority are not opposed to a centralised authoritarian government as exemplified by China, particularly in light of the spread or containment of Covid-19.

Thus, my point is that winners should be followed and dumped as soon as they appear to be losing, much as with stocks. This applies both to News and Politics.

gg

 

[SirRumpole]

It is quite obvious to me that all Western News and Politics is fake. I would not trust any politician or news outlet to tell the truth. It is all up to interpretation.

I think the penalty for outright lies that can be proved to be lies are high.

Politicians will lie if they think that they cannot be disproved.

Otherwise they will tell "their side" of the truth, but what they don't say is just as important. They will leave it to the other side to tell the other half of the truth.

Half truths and opinions are the politician's stock in trade.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I think the penalty for outright lies that can be proved to be lies are high.

Politicians will lie if they think that they cannot be disproved.

Otherwise they will tell "their side" of the truth, but what they don't say is just as important. They will leave it to the other side to tell the other half of the truth.

Half truths and opinions are the politician's stock in trade.

I believe that many people waste their energy on arguing about News and Politics when the only people who profit from it are the owners and shareholders of news outlets and politicians.

What can I profit from fake news and lying politicians is my point.

We should not argue about facts but about the effect that spin and other lies has on us and how we can benefit from knowing about it.

I'm not interested in the warm inner glow of being correct about how fake the news is from the left or the right.

How can I profit is my point.

gg

 

[SirRumpole]

We should not argue about facts but about the effect that spin and other lies has on us and how we can benefit from knowing about it.

I'm not interested in the warm inner glow of being correct about how fake the news is from the left or the right.

How can I profit is my point.

Interesting. Can you give some examples of how we can profit from "fake" news ?

 

[moXJO]

I think the penalty for outright lies that can be proved to be lies are high.

It's not though. Trump told whoppers. A lot was over exaggerating, but still.

We also had Biden and others in debate purposely lie. The "Very fine people" is a very selective one that was used.

I think lying is being used more than ever to get results. And everything would have run through test groups or carefully crafted to get the message through with maximum results.

Nothing's accidental.

On top of that we get media messaging, special interest groups, paid messaging, astroturfing, social media manipulation, etc.

Best off tuning out because you won't get the full story.

 

[SirRumpole]

It's not though. Trump told whoppers. A lot was over exaggerating, but still.

Yes, and he got thrown out.

 

[moXJO]

Yes, and he got thrown out

Barely. If covid didn't come along he'd still be there.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Interesting. Can you give some examples of how we can profit from "fake" news ?

No.

It's the vibe.

I don't believe you will ever get it. It's a metacognitive approach. This is alien to what everyone else who profits nothing from warbling on about fake news fails to get.

gg

 

[SirRumpole]

No.

It's the vibe.

I don't believe you will ever get it. It's a metacognitive approach. This is alien to what everyone else who profits nothing from warbling on about fake news fails to get.

gg

Plenty of metacognitive things are also fake. Better off sicking a pin on a dartboard.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Plenty of metacognitive things are also fake. Better off sicking a pin on a dartboard.

"Things" by definition are not cognitive.

I'm quite sorry I entered this thread. Cheerio. On with the warbling.

gg

 

[rederob]

It seems to me that all news from the right or left is totally fake, following the opinions of a powerful few.

It is my belief that the conversation needs to be taken to a higher level, to that of always being ultimately on the winning side.
....

Thus, my point is that winners should be followed and dumped as soon as they appear to be losing, much as with stocks. This applies both to News and Politics.

gg

Winners are not always what they seem, whether it's a sprint:

or over the long haul:

Even when you are sure you have backed a winner, before or after your pick has crossed the line, you might be mistaken.

As much as I enjoyed your contribution, it relies on a flawed premise from the outset: when you enter a trade you do not know what the next price movement will be.

 

[basilio]

This is a really thought provoking story on how quickly and widely a single post has been spread across the web through Facebook.
The item in question was posted by MP Craig Kelly on his Facebook page. It was a post claiming ivermectin “beats all the experimental vaccines for efficacy in preventing Covid infections” by incorrectly comparing a series of minor studies to vaccine effectiveness data.

Check out how it went around the world. Some other examples as well.

Anatomy of a conspiracy theory: how misinformation travels on Facebook

Facebook has played a key role in the global spread of misinformation during the pandemic. Here’s how an individual post can reach a global audience within days

www.theguardian.com

 

[basilio]

So when was the last time you saw Chairman Mao or Kim Jong-Un do an excellent rendition of "I will survive " ?
How about the whole fed doing a synchronized karaoke ?

AI is just forging ahead.

Move over, Deep Nostalgia, this AI app can make Kim Jong-un sing I Will Survive

Wombo AI can animate any face to sing songs in a way that is unbelievable enough to help the fight against deepfakes, say some experts

www.theguardian.com

Lip-syncing app Wombo shows the messy, meme-laden potential of deepfakes

Wombo combo.

www.theverge.com

 

[moXJO]

So when was the last time you saw Chairman Mao or Kim Jong-Un do an excellent rendition of "I will survive " ?
How about the whole fed doing a synchronized karaoke ?

AI is just forging ahead.

Move over, Deep Nostalgia, this AI app can make Kim Jong-un sing I Will Survive

Wombo AI can animate any face to sing songs in a way that is unbelievable enough to help the fight against deepfakes, say some experts

www.theguardian.com

Lip-syncing app Wombo shows the messy, meme-laden potential of deepfakes

Wombo combo.

www.theverge.com

Amazing app for a cheap deep fake.
Joe approves:

 

[moXJO]

Wait wait
Christian porter:

 

[basilio]

Get your teeth into this.
Pure brilliance.

The Shocking Link Between Sultanas And Car Crashes
Last year 1,106 people died on Australian roads. So why are you still feeding your child sultanas?

The evidence linking toddler sultana consumption and car crashes later in life is overwhelming. A now-famous 2008 paper by Dr Rupert Horowitz found that of all car crash victims, 79% had eaten sultanas as a child. And it’s getting worse. A more recent study suggests the percentage may now be above 88%.

Yet over the past forty years Big Sultana has lined its pockets with billions of dollars in profits, cashing in on the naivety of Western parents and spurred along by a reckless media

The Shocking Link Between Sultanas And Car Crashes — The Shovel

Did you know 88% of people involved in car accidents ate sultanas as children? The evidence is overwhelming and Big Sultana has done nothing to stop it. Time to ban sultanas. Read the full article here.

www.theshovel.com.au

 

[basilio]

Even better story on Fake News. Well worth a read IMO.

Scientists used ‘fake news’ to stop predators killing endangered birds — and the result was remarkable

When scientists first thought to deceive predators with bird smells, the idea seemed crazy. But after seeing how fake news messes with the minds of both humans and animals, it now makes sense.

theconversation.com

 

[Smurf1976]

Get your teeth into this.
Pure brilliance.

The Shocking Link Between Sultanas And Car Crashes

The sad thing is, may would read that and not grasp that it's not actual news.