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Got to hand it to Hird. In his pre-game interview, cool as a cucumber. He will be kicking himself for taking those weird supplements and getting caught up in the crap. Big mistake and he will never go down that path again. If he can keep his cool, what a brilliant example that will be to his players.
How many other coaches would have their lower lip trembling if they were in the same position? Plenty of tough AFL men can't handle social pressure, but it seems Hird can. Neeld is at the opposite end of the spectrum, and that's why none of his players respect him enough to perform. It's about respect, coaching.
How many other coaches would have their lower lip trembling if they were in the same position? Plenty of tough AFL men can't handle social pressure, but it seems Hird can. Neeld is at the opposite end of the spectrum, and that's why none of his players respect him enough to perform. It's about respect, coaching.
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Patrick Smith is another one that gets on my goat. He and Wilson said Hird should stand down right at the beginning of all this and they were practically salivating when the latest 'revelations' came out and of course frantically renewed their calls of 'Hird MUST stand down', but he didn't
I'm really dissapointed with a lot of the ex-footballers who are now commentaters etc. who seem to have become all PC all of a sudden, pathetic. Cam Mooney on SEN and Leigh Matthews on Channel 7 tonight stood up for Hirdy but they are in the minority.
Anyway, good hard fought win by the Bombers tonight (unfortunately I tipped the Dockers
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Great win by the Bombers. They look so much better this year. Maybe the lack of pig's brain is doing them good. I tipped against them in the first week but tipped with them this week.
Go Bombers!
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Great match, an inspiring win by Essendon. That's the way to send a message to the critics.
Just goes to show some people will say anthing for a buck, I hope hirdy sticks it up them all.
Great win last night, not sure how Cale Hookers still getting a game gee he makes me nervous when he gets the ball.
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That was a really big win last night against the odds, Vic teams don't travel well to WA and for Essendon to get a win with a week like that was exceptional.
I think Hird is gone rightly or wrongly just to much momentum building against him.
I think Hird is gone rightly or wrongly just to much momentum building against him.
I think you're being a little naive.
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I don't think any team nowadays would risk using banned substances. The penalties would not be worth it for them.
Risk:Reward.
Reward - possibly a 1% enhancement in performance.
Risk - Club banned from the competition for a year. Losing member base, massive stress through media pressure, careers lost, legal costs, financial cost and other untold damages.+++
Do you think a whole team would be happy to take that risk?
On another topic....Hird has made a number of huge mistakes. Employing Dank was only one of them. Hird is not nearly as smart as people give him credit for. But he does have good character. And that will get him through. He'd better learn from his mistakes, though.
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Cyclists are a very different breed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_doping_cases_in_cycling
The list is staggering in its length.
The AFL is spotless in comparison. Different beast.
I'll concede that R:R is not the best way to look at this scenario. It's a cultural thing.
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Like someone else said you are being naive.
Can you offer any proof that the AFL has a drug problem on the same level as cycling?
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Isn't this exactly why other sports are now more careful?
If Essendon are doing stuff that is illegal (in terms of WADA, the AFL etc.) then most likely other clubs are too. What are the AFL going to do, ban every clubs players and coaches?
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When Nathan Brown broke he's leg he has stated that he was offered many "short cuts" to recovery. Of course I have no proof that I know any person has taken anything. But I have been around some of these dodgy dudes through my involvement as a pro in another sport 15 years ago. I can say with certainty that I have been offered doping products back then by some of the people who are now "conditioning consultants". And there was a hell of a lot less at stake back then. $$$$$$
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I don't know the answer to that. But the contradiction in who is being demonised here, to me, is gob smacking. Dank and the other dude (Robinson?) were sacked because they were putting young impressionable kids in a situation that was very very questionable. Now it was first sold as "they had gone rouge" but the txts out this week show that Hird was fully aware about what was going on.
Yet its all about how he has a good bloke Blah Blah. Something is up here and I don't give a toss about how respectable anyone was. Thats is exactly the kind of environment that got Lance Armstong in the position to cheat bully and get away with something that at the time seemed inconceivable. And I've seen it to a lesser degree with coaches in other sports. Its a very dangerous situation that requires much scepticism. IMO
Even IF Hirdy has taken banned substances I believe the WADA rules are only relevant to players (which leaves hird in the clear).
And in regard to the Essendon players doping scandal even Danks stance is that the substances used by the Essendon players haven't breached the WADA code.
Is there more info we don't know or is this just a media beat up.?
And in regard to the Essendon players doping scandal even Danks stance is that the substances used by the Essendon players haven't breached the WADA code.
Is there more info we don't know or is this just a media beat up.?
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Yeah I don't think anyone except the media cares about that.
There is info this week, though who knows how reliable, that they have been using substances that have not been approved for therapeutic use. IF that is the case then that does breach WADA code. You cannot take anything on the banned list OR anything that is still in testing phase ie not approved for human use.
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Fair go IFocus! You of all people should be able to see that Hirdy isn't "gone". For the past three years you have been doggedly defending Gillard, Slipper and Thompson, and despite all the momentum and allogations against them, they firmly remain in charge of Australia's future.
Surely in comparison, Hirdy can still coach a footy team.Let's assume Hirdy approved a supplements program, administered by a "sports scientist" employed by the club with the approval and sign off by the long standing club doctor, on the basis the program a) didn't harm the players, and b) was within the guidelines of the AFL and WADA.
What has Hirdy done wrong? Dank is still adamant that he has done nothing wrong within WADA guidelines. Hirdy might have placed excessive trust in Danks, but if his brief was "within WADA guidelines" does Hirdy have to ge second opinions?
Caroline Wilson and Patrick Smith need to get over themselves. Too full of their own importance to be able to see clearly.
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