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End of the China bull?

They were doing the buying in the morning they have switched to the afternoon for the moment. Maybe not, back in this morning.
It's a little troubling that they were ok with letting the market decline for 5 years but are not able to tolerate genuine volatility at this time.

 
They were doing the buying in the morning they have switched to the afternoon for the moment.

What a colossal amount of margin debt though...

08:54(CN) As of Jul 6th, China total margin debt CNY1.77T v CNY1.91T as of Jul 3rd (record 11th consecutive decline, largest daily decline) - Source TradeTheNews.com
 
Thankfully we were not concerned about a property bubble prior to this stock market route because now -


Perhaps they decided to implement Varoufakis economics - If your going to go, go hard.

Leverage everything against every other thing and just blow the crap out of it. They will have to forgive our debt and in the meantime we have built the country and shuffled our money into Ausi international apartments and Alibaba.
 
Why ban short selling when you can ban long selling... this Chinese market is gettting beyond a joke.

http://www.afr.com/markets/equity-m...spended-as-beijing-intervenes-20150707-gi6p2s


http://www.afr.com/news/world/asia/...told-dont-sell-caijing-report-20150706-gi68hu

 
Sentiment from the mainstream media seems horrible (who are suddenly experts on the Chinese market). Seems like a great environment for long setups...
 
Sentiment from the mainstream media seems horrible (who are suddenly experts on the Chinese market). Seems like a great environment for long setups...

It seems whats happening right now is retail selling and insto buying.

Retail liquidating margin loans, insto (forced at gunpoint) to buy stock...

I would be a lot more comfortable with buying if the govt isn't pulling new policies out of their ar$e every hr.

In the A-shares, only about 30% of the companies are trading at the moment. Rest are limit down or halted :S
 
Here are some P/E ratios (Bloomberg sourced):

S&P500 (USA): 18.22
TSX 60 (Canada): 18.75
Stoxx 50 (Europe): 19.29
CAC (France): 24.31
DAX (Germany): 17.58
FTSE100 (UK): 20.56
S&P ASX200 (Australia): 20.02
Nifty (India): 22.29
Nikkei 225 (Japan): 23.09
KOSPI (Korea): 17.61

Meanwhile:

Shanghai Composite (China): 19.28
CSI300 (Shenzen, China): 17.47
Hang Seng (Hong Kong): 10.37
 
Sentiment from the mainstream media seems horrible (who are suddenly experts on the Chinese market). Seems like a great environment for long setups...

Mainstream media in Oz or in China?


Agree. They are definitely exacerbating the panic. Halting trading really is such a dumb move. The natural response when the shares eventually come out of the halt is inevitably panic selling...

Or may be the Chinese government can make-whole every investor (gambler) by nationalising every listed company at the investor's purchase price. There you go... the ultimate put option.
 
Ease the restrictions on Chinese on gambling in Macau, stock market problem fixed.
 
Interesting. How long till this flows on to Sydney & Melbourne real estate prices....? Already hitting the $AU.

Preliminary results from the China Household Finance Survey
•31.5% of respondents plan to reduce their stock holdings
•12.3% said they plan to increase their stock holdings
•Remaining saying they do not plan to change their holdings
•For Q2 4.8% of stock investors bought homes, compared with 2.3% recorded in Q1
Of those who bought property, 70% came from households that have made money in the stock market.

It's taken longer than I thought but the inevitable has just started. Nothing is 'contained' anymore.
 
Of those who bought property, 70% came from households that have made money in the stock market.

You mean that's what they wrote on the form. Reads better than 'unlimited profits from my state backed labor camp.'
 
Over priced markets and assets including currencies and commodities are adjusting to the correct prices now. China is not exception. Those days Analysts ignored Japan and talked about Asia Ex-Japan. I am sure now they will talk about Asia Ex-China. We should see sell off in gold next. It could be double whammy for some countries. However there will be winners in every situation.
 

I think it's all in the details. How much money did they make? Is the stock market their only source of income? This article from macrobusiness shows that the average household has relatively minimal exposure to stocks compared to their huge cash savings.
Although I would like it to be the case, I doubt that Chinese stock market crash would directly result in an Aus house price crash - whether it will do so indirectly is unknown.

Meanwhile the SSE has managed to pull out of its nose dive for the past two days following its announcement last week. If this keeps happening then maybe the bottom has been reached.
 
More like it is just taken a breath before the next dive down deep.

Coming weeks will show it true direction.
 
We have arrived, the cycle is complete - all markets are centrally controlled now.

The problem now is what happens when even these markets get out of the control of the 'controllers'?

The exit door will be soon be crammed with over leveraged trend chasers that some will have to go to the barbers instead - to get a haircut. And not just a #1, this is the full skin head. That includes central banks, notably the ECB.

Bond volatility is causing some major accounts to be seriously trimmed. Dealers will want more collateral. A global sized negative feedback loop has started that the fat controllers have lost control of.
 
The problem now is what happens when even these markets get out of the control of the 'controllers'?

It collapses 9% on the open like a bullet (even with 25% of stocks suspended from trading (artificially holding value)).

Perhaps dumping State Owned equities on the market causing the initial 6% drop from the top dented 'the peoples' confidence somewhat. Especially as they did it without flagging it or any kind of warning. The news of it came out of Hong Kong, a few days after the Chinese communist Party did it.
 
And before the Chinese Communist party dumped a big chunk of it's holdings onto 'the people' -


They got away with that kind of crap for decades in the property market. It's a bit harder to propaganda to the stock market.
 

Do you have a link to that? Sounds like an interesting story.
 
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