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Elon Musk has gone the way I unfortunately expected him to.
He has started to believe his own publicity.
Why he thinks he has any business getting involved in UK politics is unfathomable.
He was one of the many who criticised (rightly so I believe) the Democrats for importing UK Labour party organisers to get involved in the US election, and here he is effectively doing the same thing.
The beginning of his demise?
Mick

The bromance of two of Donald Trump’s biggest supporters, Elon Musk and Nigel Farage hits a rocky patch​

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In an extraordinary intervention, Elon Musk, one of the world’s richest men and the confidante of incoming US president Donald Trump, has called for a new political leader of one of Britain’s political parties.
Mr Musk called for Nigel Farage, whose leadership of the British political party Reform UK has elevated it to be a serious rival to the Conservative Party, to stand down insisting he “doesn’t have what it takes”.
Mr Musk has apparently taken umbrage at Mr Farage’s refusal to allow far right protagonist Tommy Robinson, the former leader of the English Defence League, to become involved with Reform UK.
In french:
Folie des grandeurs
In short overinflated ego, not that this is not matched or beaten by the WEF/globalists as seen by the EU role in eastern Europe tight now.
But a bit disappointing..support sure, but not involved to that level
 
Elon Musk has gone the way I unfortunately expected him to.
He has started to believe his own publicity.
Why he thinks he has any business getting involved in UK politics is unfathomable.
He was one of the many who criticised (rightly so I believe) the Democrats for importing UK Labour party organisers to get involved in the US election, and here he is effectively doing the same thing.
The beginning of his demise?
Mick

The bromance of two of Donald Trump’s biggest supporters, Elon Musk and Nigel Farage hits a rocky patch​

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In an extraordinary intervention, Elon Musk, one of the world’s richest men and the confidante of incoming US president Donald Trump, has called for a new political leader of one of Britain’s political parties.
Mr Musk called for Nigel Farage, whose leadership of the British political party Reform UK has elevated it to be a serious rival to the Conservative Party, to stand down insisting he “doesn’t have what it takes”.
Mr Musk has apparently taken umbrage at Mr Farage’s refusal to allow far right protagonist Tommy Robinson, the former leader of the English Defence League, to become involved with Reform UK.
There is an upside in shining a spotlight on the the rape gang fiasco/coverup spanning decades, of which Herr Starmer had a big role in covering up.

I think this is the (or one of the) overarching objectives of Elon's involvement here.

As far as the Farage/TR argument, well, TR's raison d'etre has in fact been the self same topic, which is why I believe Elon is going after Farage.

Fun fact for more context. TR has never applied for Reform membership or stated any intention to. However there is a helluva a lot of overlap between Reform and TR supporters.

Complex.

Re getting involved in UK politics, that is nothing out of the ordinary as the likes of George Soros and others have been doing precisely the same for decades.

And do not every one of us here have input into overseas politics? We just don't have the wealth/influence/platform Elon or Soros does.
 
Elon is greedy as hell trying to sell out American workers by supporting the disgraceful H1B visa so his companies can make even more money even though he is the richest man in the world.
 
or the Qatari government
About Qatar, the influence such a small country has on France is unbelievable.
Being too small to influence the big boys: US, UK, Germany let alone Asia or Russia, Qatar has strategically IMHO put its weight (money) onto smaller size western countries: France with success for a few decades, and now Australia more recently.
No need to repeat that Qatar is the Hamas supporter, Doha a sxxthole of green plague fundamentalism...
So Elon is a very small fry in that scheme and he is not putting much money at work, (as he is not requesting much back)
Very different from the Soros of the world, and not talking about the US medallion 😊
Is Musk wise playing that game, not really imho but why should he care?
I have stuck on principles and truth to my detriment for career or wealth, but no regret.And I do not have Elon's bank accounts or toys.
Where it becomes edgy is when discussing his responsibility vs shareholders.
Imho, he is wrong there and would understand Tesla shareholders reluctance/anger(we are 2025😀).
 
Elon is greedy as hell trying to sell out American workers by supporting the disgraceful H1B visa so his companies can make even more money even though he is the richest man in the world.
You will not get robots and fully automated driving if relying on the product of US education...
A fact..
Similarly, we should allow here some quality selected immigration, but not barista, bricklayers or waiters
 
You will not get robots and fully automated driving if relying on the product of US education...
A fact..
Similarly, we should allow here some quality selected immigration, but not barista, bricklayers or waiters
But if you look at the people the H1B visas are bringing in its not exactly the Manhatten project. Even the tech-workers they bring in are typically lower skilled then the American tech workers they are replacing but they will work for much lower pay. Its all about lowering labour costs it has nothing to do with filling skills shortages or bringing in highly skilled workers. The whole H1B visa system is a giant rort.

It should never be cheaper to hire foreign workers.

How come Trump wants to protect American companies from foreign competition by using tariffs but he won't be consistent and protect American workers? He should be putting tariffs on any foreign workers (via additional payroll taxes). Putting an additional 50% payroll tax onto H1B visas will end the rorting quickly. Then companies will only use it when its to fill a skill that is genuinely in shortage (which is actually very rare in reality).
 
But if you look at the people the H1B visas are bringing in its not exactly the Manhatten project. Even the tech-workers they bring in are typically lower skilled then the American tech workers they are replacing but they will work for much lower pay. Its all about lowering labour costs it has nothing to do with filling skills shortages or bringing in highly skilled workers. The whole H1B visa system is a giant rort.
Just dunno about that. In the grand scheme of things the numbers of h1b visas available are quite small. I would personally be a hundred times more consent about entrants on other visas, or non visas as the case may be.

And as others have said there is an underlying inadequacy in the American education system where memorizing the 128 different genders and their ridiculous pronouns is considered far more important than HTML (or whatever the f*** is used these days)
 
But if you look at the people the H1B visas are bringing in its not exactly the Manhatten project. Even the tech-workers they bring in are typically lower skilled then the American tech workers they are replacing but they will work for much lower pay. Its all about lowering labour costs it has nothing to do with filling skills shortages or bringing in highly skilled workers. The whole H1B visa system is a giant rort.

It should never be cheaper to hire foreign workers.

How come Trump wants to protect American companies from foreign competition by using tariffs but he won't be consistent and protect American workers? He should be putting tariffs on any foreign workers (via additional payroll taxes). Putting an additional 50% payroll tax onto H1B visas will end the rorting quickly. Then companies will only use it when its to fill a skill that is genuinely in shortage (which is actually very rare in reality).
I will strongly disagree
Putting numbers instead of propaganda: in 2024, from official us site
"The current annual statutory cap is 65,000 visas, with 20,000 additional visas for foreign professionals who graduate with a master’s degree or doctorate from a U.S. institution of higher learning "
So 85,000 h1b for a total population of 341millions which during the same year saw 2.8 millions illegal immigrants entering (US census)
Divide by 10 to roughly compare with what it would be in Australia ,
and if the fangs were Australia based so actuel brains required
So yes,as a short answer, it is the Manhattan project to fill places that native Americans graduates can not fill.
And , yes, they should be able to , wishes, not facts but a review of US education

And no, h1b visas are not really an issue so far on the market place and probably needed, but the 2.8m competiting for the jobs on the street might
And here, with a population of 1/10, no number high end jobs, we admitted 600,000 migrants..that is barista/uber projects 😊
 
I will strongly disagree
Putting numbers instead of propaganda: in 2024, from official us site
"The current annual statutory cap is 65,000 visas, with 20,000 additional visas for foreign professionals who graduate with a master’s degree or doctorate from a U.S. institution of higher learning "
So 85,000 h1b for a total population of 341millions which during the same year saw 2.8 millions illegal immigrants entering (US census)
Divide by 10 to roughly compare with what it would be in Australia ,
and if the fangs were Australia based so actuel brains required
So yes,as a short answer, it is the Manhattan project to fill places that native Americans graduates can not fill.
And , yes, they should be able to , wishes, not facts but a review of US education

And no, h1b visas are not really an issue so far on the market place and probably needed, but the 2.8m competiting for the jobs on the street might
And here, with a population of 1/10, no number high end jobs, we admitted 600,000 migrants..that is barista/uber projects 😊
Of course illegal immigration is a much bigger problem than H1B visas but Trump already said he is going to crack down hard on illegal immigration (hence why it isn't seen as a red button topic any more) but he hasn't said anything about stopping the rorts with H1B visas that is why people are getting so vocal about it because he won't even pretend to address the problem. If those Indians are so great why aren't Japan and China importing them by the tens of thousands to remain competitive?

And there is massive fraud going on with so many Indians coming in with fake degrees or degrees from really crappy universities etc taking jobs away from American IT workers with 10+ years of experience because they will work 60+ hour weeks for half the normal salary because they rely on the company for their visa which allows them to stay in America. Effectively slave labor. You can go and read all the stuff that conservatives were writing about the H1B visa widespread fraud before Elon shut down the conversation by banning people and changing twitter rules all because he was losing the argument.
 
Elon is greedy as hell trying to sell out American workers by supporting the disgraceful H1B visa so his companies can make even more money even though he is the richest man in the world.
Elon Musk was on H1visa himself and at one point. Businesses want the best talent that they can get.

If Trump gets rid of all the illegal immigrants in the US who is going to cheap labour in that country ?
 
Elon Musk was on H1visa himself and at one point. Businesses want the best talent that they can get.
But you are missing the point the vast majority of H1B visas are fraud to bring in cheap slave labour its not about getting the best and brightest. And if it was really about getting the top talent slap a massive payroll tax on them and set a minimum annual salary of $150,000 USD for the minimum criteria for the visa and see how many companies would still bother hiring people on these visas.
 
Of course illegal immigration is a much bigger problem than H1B visas but Trump already said he is going to crack down hard on illegal immigration (hence why it isn't seen as a red button topic any more) but he hasn't said anything about stopping the rorts with H1B visas that is why people are getting so vocal about it because he won't even pretend to address the problem. If those Indians are so great why aren't Japan and China importing them by the tens of thousands to remain competitive?

And there is massive fraud going on with so many Indians coming in with fake degrees or degrees from really crappy universities etc taking jobs away from American IT workers with 10+ years of experience because they will work 60+ hour weeks for half the normal salary because they rely on the company for their visa which allows them to stay in America. Effectively slave labor. You can go and read all the stuff that conservatives were writing about the H1B visa widespread fraud before Elon shut down the conversation by banning people and changing twitter rules all because he was losing the argument.
If facts and numbers can not change your view, nothing will ever do
80k a year in a 340m country
"Number and Rate of Master's Degree Holders. As of 2021, 24.1 million Americans held a master's degree (13% of the workforce). In the academic year of 2019/20, about 843,450 students were awarded a Master's degree in the United States. The number of Master's degrees awarded is projected to increase by 16.5% in 2030."
So h1b visas represent let than 1/10th of yearly new master graduates
And they are needed in the US, at least until the next recession.
The post graduate workforce in the US is basically bigger than our full workforce.
The numbers do not match your arguments.
As for immigration locking jobs and unfair competition, i went thru that personally here in Australia where absolutely no one cared or still care about IT and any cricket lover with a laptop suitcase is assumed to be an IT genius.
So yes, migration is a destroyer, and the bull**** about taking only jobs that natives do not want to do is well past its best before date both in the US, Europe and here.
But h1b, on numbers, are very clearly not an issue, that is all i want to state.
On principle, on a matter of image, etc sure, but based on facts
 
80k a year in a 340m country
But H1B visa is just one type of work visa for foreigners. Its just the tip of the iceberg, There are many other foreigners coming on other visas which have the same results and negative impacts. The whole immigration system needs a massive overhaul. Of course H1B visas are under the spotlight especially because of the egregious rorting but its happening in many other visa types simultaneously. Immigration needs wholesale reform in every western country.

Nobody is going to be against something that is genuinely like the Manhatten project was but modern immigration is so far from that. In my view the main purpose of immigration should be to bring investment and business and spending (tourists, retirees, digital nomads, etc) into your country not labour.

Focus on bringing business people to create businesses in your country and thus create employment rather than bringing more people in to push down wages. Also countries like Australia and USA are insanely strict with tourist visas while simultaneously bringing in boatloads of backpackers, etc.

In my view the focus in terms of foreigners in the country should be if you want to invest, create jobs (business people, investors, etc) or spend money (tourists, retirees, digital nomads, etc) then you are welcome, if you are coming to compete with locals for jobs and push down wages you should not be coming (unless you are bringing highly specialized skills to an industry with severe labour shortages).
 
Elon Musk worked illegally for a brief period in 1995. He was on student visa rather. He was in a graduate studies program at Stanford University when he dropped out to work on his new company called Zip2 which sold for $300 million four years later.

I think he is hypocrite with a really big mouth.
 
There are people out there who take full advantage of migrant workers. When I did a mine refurbishment in a small country town with 50 permanent residents, the company I worked for put 10 of us up in an old pub. The publican had 2 Irish backpacker girls cleaning the pub and doing one afternoon shift every week in trade for one room in the pub. During the day they would pick pawpaws on a local farm for less than $5 an hour. The same farmer owned one of the only restaurants in the town and we started to speak and he told me that he paid the beginners $2 an hour.
 
There are people out there who take full advantage of migrant workers. When I did a mine refurbishment in a small country town with 50 permanent residents, the company I worked for put 10 of us up in an old pub. The publican had 2 Irish backpacker girls cleaning the pub and doing one afternoon shift every week in trade for one room in the pub. During the day they would pick pawpaws on a local farm for less than $5 an hour. The same farmer owned one of the only restaurants in the town and we started to speak and he told me that he paid the beginners $2 an hour.
And definitely very common, here, the farm workers in the US, etc...
Yet not exactly h1b visas still.
And in Australia, i do not believe these backpackers are even counted in the 600,000 or so new migrants a year we are getting.
Could be wrong but as they mostly leave after 2y or so, not counted
 
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