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Electricity: price and reliability of supply

How do you know other suppliers weren't run efficiently by the State ? They were sold for ideological reasons not because they were under performing.

The state (and i have seen some poorly run state businesses and very few outstanding ones) does not have a history of being able to run companies....this realization should not need a ton of facts to back it up...its just common sense. You need some kind of spirit to run a business successfully and efficiently. Common people with no common goal don't usually make good business managers Sir, they have no spirit to keep them engaged. Have you owned or ran a business before? I'm sure you can relate to what i'm saying if you have.
 
The state (and i have some some poorly run state businesses and very few outstanding ones) does not have a history of being able to run companies....this realization should not need a ton of facts to back it up...its just common sense. You need some kind of spirit to run a business successfully and efficiently. Common people with no common goal don't usually make good business managers Sir, they have no spirit to keep them engaged. Have you owned or ran a business before? I'm sure you can relate to what i'm saying if you have.

There is a difference between running a business and providing a public service. Electricity is an essential service and so should not be regarded as a business. Hospitals aren't run for profit, neither is the police force or the courts.

If some outsourcing makes these cheaper to run , fine, but the underlying ownership should remain with the taxpayer.
 
There is a difference between running a business and providing a public service. Electricity is an essential service and so should not be regarded as a business. Hospitals aren't run for profit, neither is the police force or the courts.

If some outsourcing makes these cheaper to run , fine, but the underlying ownership should remain with the taxpayer.

Have you ever owned or run a business?

Utilities need maintenance, they need human resources at proper levels getting properly hired at the right pay and evaluated to performance standards....they need capital upgrades...all sorts of things that mean they are in effect, a business. You can't socialize a power plant. It needs to be run effectively and efficiently. hospitals don't run that efficiently by the way, there are lots of empty beds at times when they're needed....empty operation theatres that people arre on waiting lists for....its takes a darn good administrator to run a great public hospital....again, there are not too many around, unfortunately.
 
The state (and i have seen some poorly run state businesses and very few outstanding ones) does not have a history of being able to run companies....this realization should not need a ton of facts to back it up...its just common sense. You need some kind of spirit to run a business successfully and efficiently. Common people with no common goal don't usually make good business managers Sir, they have no spirit to keep them engaged. Have you owned or ran a business before? I'm sure you can relate to what i'm saying if you have.

Have you read Laura Tingles recent 'Quarterly Essay' 'Political Amnesia'...

We Once had a public service that built anything of any significance in this country and there has been an ideological war fought against these institutions.
 
Have you read Laura Tingles recent 'Quarterly Essay' 'Political Amnesia'...

We Once had a public service that built anything of any significance in this country and there has been an ideological war fought against these institutions.

No i haven't Orr, would you care to give me a book review?
 
During the recent power crises in SA and it's reliance on the Victorian coal fired base load power station, how will SA now stand with the closure in March 2017 of the Victorian coal fired Power station?

Looks like Vic. has pulled the plug on SA and I might add the Greens are rejoicing about the loss of jobs.

Now Victoria is about to spend millions on psychiatry counseling and retraining those who will lose their jobs......OMG.
 
During the recent power crises in SA and it's reliance on the Victorian coal fired base load power station, how will SA now stand with the closure in March 2017 of the Victorian coal fired Power station?

Looks like Vic. has pulled the plug on SA and I might add the Greens are rejoicing about the loss of jobs.

Now Victoria is about to spend millions on psychiatry counseling and retraining those who will lose their jobs......OMG.

Is it true, the sacked workers at the Hazelwood coal fired power station will receive on average $330,000 redundancy pay......Unbelievable.........And on top of that they will be offered retraining and psychiatry counseling.

I think the business owners in SA will need psychiatry counseling more so if they keep running out of base load power.

What a mob of crocks these politicians are in the SA and Vic

https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/33100092/valley-awaits-hazelwood-support-detail/#page1
 
Is it true, the sacked workers at the Hazelwood coal fired power station will receive on average $330,000 redundancy pay......Unbelievable.........And on top of that they will be offered retraining and psychiatry counseling.

I think the business owners in SA will need psychiatry counseling more so if they keep running out of base load power.

What a mob of crocks these politicians are in the SA and Vic

https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/33100092/valley-awaits-hazelwood-support-detail/#page1

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What the laid off workers get hasn't got anything to do with the price or reliability of electricity.
 
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What the laid off workers get hasn't got anything to do with the price or reliability of electricity.

Yes your are so right but what a debacle for SA if there is no reliable base load power to back up from Vic. and that was my main theme....Who would want to run an industrial business without a reliable source of power.....But of course many on this forum who have never been self employed or owned their own business would not have a clue.

I owned 4 business and managed one for many years.......One in particular was in manufacturing requiring reliable electricity 24/7......Had I been without power for 2 weeks as some in SA, I would have gone down the gurgler.....I had 10 employees at that time and all would have lost their jobs.....But the unions and the socialist left wingers would not have given a dam....

So yes....Price and reliability of supply is so important and thank the hell we did not have all this renewable energy saga back in those days......Who would want to invest in SA?...No thanks.
 
Why was the SEC formed in Victoria in 1921?

Because until then Victoria had a plethora of private energy companies with different technical specifications, overlapping supply areas and an inability to guarantee regular supply.

The SEC was established to develop a unified power system for the whole state versus a fractured, for profit system of just the most valuable areas. And it worked.

http://collections.museumvictoria.com.au/articles/3519
https://wongm.com/2011/07/melbourne-municipal-electricity-undertakings/
 
There are fears Portland's Alcoa plant may be next on the chopping block following the decision to shut down Hazelwood.

Former Premier and Member for Portland, Denis Napthine, said he was fearing the worst.

"I think there are some big questions being asked, unfortunately,"

He said any decision to close the plant would have huge ramifications.

He estimated around 5500 people would leave the area if it shut.

"It's vital, not just for local jobs, but vital to the economy of this state," Mr Napthine said.
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The future of energy generation and storage
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“Germany’s economy minister says his country will not be phasing out brown coal before 2040, as the government looks to ways to ensure minimisation of job losses in coal regions”.
http://www.powerengineeringint.com/articles/2016/11/gabriel-says-coal-to-remain-relevant.html
 
The dumb lot are the people who sold off the station in the first place.

That was in 1996, and the Premier at that time was Jeff Kennett.

OK, if it was sold off to private enterprise, how come the dumb Labor Government is forcing the shut down?

Maybe it is not viable any more due to the heavy subsidy of too much unreliable renewable energy.

It will not be surprising in the least if major business by pass SA in the future or perhaps we will see many forced closures or some moving off shore.

As Tink just posted, Alcoa maybe next on the chopping block.....Just the beginning.

Why does the Green/Labor left wing socialist coalition always appear to be the ones creating jobs when they do the opposite.......The building of subs in SA will be a disaster.

Dumb and dumber.
 
The dumb lot are the people who sold off the station in the first place.

That was in 1996, and the Premier at that time was Jeff Kennett.

Like Malcolm Fraser. Jeffery has become more Labor than Labor once he realised what he had done and the peturbations that still haunt Vic from the aftershocks.

There seems to a moment of crazy in most leaders who take power who are, infact, unfit to hold office. Almost a zealous desire of "look at me" ahead of public service.
 
Is it true, the sacked workers at the Hazelwood coal fired power station will receive on average $330,000 redundancy pay......Unbelievable.........And on top of that they will be offered retraining and psychiatry counseling.

I think the business owners in SA will need psychiatry counseling more so if they keep running out of base load power.

What a mob of crocks these politicians are in the SA and Vic

https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/33100092/valley-awaits-hazelwood-support-detail/#page1

What is "psychiatry counselling".?
Link?
 
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